[Game] Konosuba, Relentless Mafia - Game #27

[Poison]

You are pushing for me indirectly? What kind of cowardice is this miss?

I told you why last dp. And your activity lessened this dp even more so it's natural for me to say this.

 

[Michelle]

uh i alrewdy have too many quotes

First of all, what the **** has happened to this site, took me 5 minutes to start typing this. Rename it to AdBase while you're at it lol.

Interesting how you're throwing shade at me, implying that I have a sus behaviour, acting like scum. All of that from like 5 of my posts? Interesting reaction.

I tagged Ryu cuz I want his reads, I want to extrapolate my read on him from his post. He is unusually involved in the game for me to town lock him right away.

This was the post about which Nova complained is bad from Waindo. I see a normal Wando post here, NAI.
@novaselinenever i would like more than what you said to unserstand your SR on Wai, tbh.

Why?

How does that work? Suspecting others doesn't take away anything from believing that Luk was scum, especially since he was in my top 2 and the scum read I've talked about the most. Like what?

> stuff could have happened

Sure. So what? Like that doesn't say anything at all lol. It's just useless talks. I'm drawing the line at having cased Luk and believing my case on him. That's pretty fucking straightforward.

This sounds good.

Post #853 from him is just a bunch of gibberish lol. A lot of bland and fancy words without actually saying anything. A lot of filler words trying to convey a thought process, it rings hollow.

Here, please anytime you mention a post quote it or link it, for mobile users to search it is horrible.
The last sentence define so well Waindo's play in last 2 games where he was villager.

Yeah but it stemmed from not being able to read me rather than thinking something is suspcious. It was alright with me 'cause it felt genuine, just like Rej paranoia with me sometimes lol.

He wasn't able to read you in the TB game ...

But i will give him chance, if he decide to not play like that if he town.

Naomi looks like a voice of reason here

He's the Hammock TSQ read, it's absolutely divorced from reality lol

lol yea. Is it scummy?

I don't think Nova is scum..HE will not be this bold like he's all over the place ..i mean thread. This is a new territory.

@Houtarou- explain your vote on Ansatsuken.


Warning> expect to see my Name voting for the two top lynches today. ..whoever they will be .

This warning gives me goosebumbs. Why to vote a top wagon instead your scum read?

Well, my mind changed cause we had a talk, not game related, and he's going through something(It's really personal so I'm not going to talk about it)so I don't expect him to post normal. I could be wrong about him being town but I don't think he was. You can make anything out of it.

Expanding so much on OGI, you have to learn that some things are forbidden to be mentioned in the game's thread @Poison chan .

Hunch list (2) with some vibes from few posts but probably can't explain it. Scum list:

-Imperfection (although will wait for his activity)
-TSQ/Michelle
-Nova?

@RedGloverKing you planning to play?

Towncore -
-Naomi (XD cause I saw something, and that pretty much CONFIRMS it).
-Tiger in the woods
-Ansatsuken
-Dragomir
Null
-Alice in Noodle land
-Houtarou
-Waindo

Why is Tigerr in town core? Expand on this read for me please

Okay, I'm still trying to get caught up here.

So first off out of all the players, Waindo feels the most suspicious to me. If they aren't scum I would like them to come back and explain more their vote on naomi or post more so I could read them.

Other topics of interest to me:

RedGlover, not sure: they are very inactive rn, but out of the in actives i feel he is the most innocent to me. Hope to see more of him Wednesday when he's finished with his school junk

Alice I may pay more attention to, a difficult one to read for me


Others are a mix between Town and Null

Imp goes just for inactives. I don't like this, feels lazy.
@Imperfection did you read the game?
Share some real reads.
Maybe you did it and i will find them (one can hope )

 

[Dragomir]

I was reading and observing some behaviours. Once i decided to not get so involved like usual i really wanted to just have fun playing.
I scum read Luke and waited for his come back, but i understand from Poison that OGI things makes him unable to play.
That don't make his posts less out from his scum range and i still think he was scum. I can bet, if so, he was heavily bussed.
Anyway he has scum in his wagon no matter alignament at the dimension of that wagon.
I am wary that Ryu's night kill analysis may be wifom.
I am confused of the jump on inactives, especially on Waindo.
I picked up some quotes and expand on them asap.

I still have to read since pg 27 until i restared to post in day 1 because i don't read overnight and because mondays are hellish busy for me.

Hmm, not really sure how to feel about all this.

 

[Michelle]

I told you why last dp. And your activity lessened this dp even more so it's natural for me to say this.

If you are town you drank the wine in front of you and you should stop.
If you are scum, go on.


It's natural for scum to be wary of his fabricated progress, if i think at the bolded in a certain angle. When i said i will not play like usual you scum read me for not playing like usual? That's shallow if you are scum. And antitown if you are town.

 

[Michelle]

Yes I explained it.

Say it again.

 

[Michelle]

Oh yeah, she def quite.. hmmm

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Though i do remember she was like this last game i played with her. so will wait till she on.

This is true. Naomi is town to bring this here imo.

 

[Poison]

Why? Because his read on me or did you find something else?


She says she would go here

It is an okay post.

Well, mich rarely jokes for this long.

Thanks <3 I slept well.

NAI

Questioning is a genuine mich.


I don't like this post. When I made my hunch list there were two posts that was running in my mind. One is this, mich does she ever make a post like "you guys may think---" no it's weird coming from you tbh. This feels like an explanation to others you feared would call you out for posting after hours.


I genuinely like this post, towny vibes.

Okay


This is chill and cool she proved her point.

She said "Game related" like normally we say "out of the game" while playing XD. Not scummy but idk it was cute XD.


Good post.


What is EBWOP?


Well, a lot happened afterwards xD


Yes, I agree with this.

This is the second post which made me put her in the list.

This is OK but again her posts turns NAIs and nothing much game related or contributing.

She starts reading, and it's a good read.

Here this one.

Cool.

Okay

Well in a way yes and on the other hand no at the same time. I'll get to that.

In this spoiler, she talked about oreki and nova which was good and the rest are general posts.

So why is she in my scum list? Because of the two posts I mentioned. Now one is theoretic sus on her the other mechanical which concerns me. I don't want to talk about the latter much, not as early as in DP1 at least. Also I planted a town hunt post earlier, if I get some responses I will lock you town.

Basically it's just my hunch list, and I don't hard scum read mich, and for that matter I didn't call her out earlier but her posts are mostly NAIs and general posts this game than her usual play. I safely put her in my list as hunch because of the reasons I mentioned.

That was the iso and mentioned which posts were not settling with me. Cause one was mechanical. Which kinda helped me to form my town core. Yours was kinda opposite reaction i received.

I am curious, you put me in a guessed scum team while you disliked 2 posts you said nothing about previously (i think i would receive an alert if you would quote them) and now you say you don't scum read me hard.
I said in the sign ups i will not play like usual, you probably didn't read my post?
I was waiting for someone anyone to scum read me activity related, but i didn't expect you to fall into this trap tbh

How that "team" came out for you, what made you post it?

If you are town you drank the wine in front of you and you should stop.
If you are scum, go on.


It's natural for scum to be wary of his fabricated progress, if i think at the bolded in a certain angle. When i said i will not play like usual you scum read me for not playing like usual? That's shallow if you are scum. And antitown if you are town.

On the other hand you are a bit aggressive this game. Which definitely doesn't involve activity In anyway.

 

[Michelle]

On the other hand you are a bit aggressive this game. Which definitely doesn't involve activity In anyway

what's your point?

 

[Poison]

what's your point?

The point is you mentioned about not being able to play like you usually do which is "activity" indicative .

You being "aggressive" is not related to activity.

The nature of your play is not aggressive , the whole sk thing in the other game is kinda exception cause that was over the line , but the point is you don't play aggressive usually. You are more concerned about how the other players are thinking about you right now hence you unknowingly becoming a bit aggressive? The same thing reflected on your early post which I took into consideration while putting you in my hunch list DP1 .

 

[Ansatsuken]

I've read the thread. AMA

A question, from what forum you're originally from? Mafia Universe?

The towniest to ever town

Lame.

Lmao what's up with that gif though

That gif means she's trying to look into you very deep to look for a broken circuit aka scum sign. She's being on guard there.

But actually it's nothing to be honest. It just a dramatical act.

Forced how? What's her natural shit?

Ok Good question honestly

But the motive of that question should we think about.

I mean,

• Is that question coming from curious town.

Or

• Is that question coming from a scum that looking for shading material. Or a reason to create suspicion on the said player after getting some information.

The reasoning that Lukundo used in his case against Poison was personal in nature and not in game one so to build a suspicion on Poison based on that Nova needs to know about her inside out. But Nova is not familiar with Poison. So if Nova is trying to push Poison using the information he gets from Lukundo he going to look weak and suspicious. So it's better for Nova to look for in game behavior and pushing it from there.

I'm also not going to rule out this one possibility, scum Nova asking a question to make himself look like he doing something but actually it serves no purpose. Just an empty question without a direction/purpose. He actually not really wanted to sort Poison.
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The question honestly gives me just , just a slight town vibes.

What gave you that impression?

Again a question from Nova.

Naomi is locktown for the alignment prodding and the gif lol

If I'm pulling the same act and gif like Naomi here I doubt I will get the same confirmation from you.

Yeah no flips game are a little bit annoying. I've played a few before but they were tinyhunt setups, it's similar to ToS being another variant of Mafia.

Those games allowed info dumping though which helped with the no flips since there were roles that could get info on dead players and figure out if we lynched scum or town

Good point. But this is NAI post.

What about that loaded question? Has it been passed down your bloodline lol

Sometimes TSQ says weird things.

Not a big fan of Drago here. Scum are more likely to feel uncomfortable with not very familiar players when they are shitposting, there isn't a lot from them to latch onto and engage people on. Townies have easier time navigating that stuff 'cause they're genuinely hunting, and if it's overwhelming they'll actually voice concern rather than being "lost". That being lost is kind of a mark of scum!drago, and the whole acting dumbfounded.

I like the tone of this post. That's all but still NAI

Hmm interesting.

According to write-up there is only mafia and Town I think. It should be 12 v 3

No Scumtell here. No scum vibes here. Arghhhhhh...

The ones in sign-ups were lacking a lot lol.

Yeah I guess the degree would familiarity could affect someone as town. Although it's more about how he went on about it, it's kind of different from just being quiet or reserved.

Not sure, I think he played a few games here. I ISO'd the previous game before this and he was playing.

Same I'm familiar with Ted and Michelle, on top of our TB people. Not too shabby for it being a new community for me lol.

This post reeks townie vibes. But It's not that hard to pull by scum.

Hmm I might have glossed over his handling of you, don't remember it. It's Poison allegedly pinging him that felt off for me. I don't like how he staged it in different steps, the initial comment Especially that "fr" lol. It's feel unnatural in how he wants to highlight the suspicion and kind of inviting someone to engage him on it which Michelle did I think. Then he expanded with the jokes being forced angle which I don't care for much. Then the votes coming afterwards. It doesn't feel like someone genuinely getting pinged by something, and then naturally reacting to that.

This explanation about Lukundo's motive from Nova is very sensible. Yes I can see how Lukundo going vague on everything he have/know against Poison. Co

Hard agree on the Michelle interaction there. The handling there felt a bit off. It looks like scum trying to always draw out interaction and engage in kind of petty stuff to have the last word lol. Like the purpose of it is so ambiguous which usually help scum later on to build on stuff like that. It doesn't feel like he's trying to figure her through it or that he was pinged by her mentioning shade which he seemed to disagree on with her.

What post from Michelle you're referring to?

Word.

Lmao we'll see about that

Less blunt I reckon, and not oozing genuineness which is her town staple lol. Is this your first time playing with her?

Noted

Then I rule it as fake.

Hahaha...

Think the Reg game I subbed for Drago lol, that Witch themed game.

So I have a good reason not to trust your "Towniest from some town or something".

Check.

I've never lied since then though

So if you're not declaring your trademark that means you're scum?

Can also be because not many from this forum know you you think you can manipulate them.

I was an innocent man, the towniest townie to ever town, forced to sub for scum

I'm also innocent. But my trademark is not that cheap looking.

It took you a paragraph to just say "Idk, meta don't matter" lmao

Legendary stuff

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Oreki is a legend. He even vote me.

Kind of a little I guess lol. Though I'm not sure what to think of him not wanting to expand on stuff, and just bluntly engaging that way. Still mulling on that, sent it to the lab

What is the result again, scum or town?

Reads kind of genuine I think, feels like the kind of bald statement that come from town 'cause from their PoV it's so fucking obvious that they're town lol.

I haven't played with her before, so I'm not sure how much weight that always subbing out as scum holds though. Even then if not true, would make no sense to try to sell that here as scum since other players have experience with her.

I have played with her where we both were mafia and she didn't subbed out. She's telling me different thing before.

She's locktown. It is known.

Noted. There's no point in arguing non stop about this because the mindmeld between two of you have reached the state of melting and then combining together. If I'm a vig I'm gonna shoot one of you.

Ted, why did you change your avy mid game lol.

Tell me the story behind it.

She's oozing genuineness lol. The weird angles of theorycrafting that she pushes like the avy stuff, and the being paranoid of how she's handled/suspected are staple of her civilian game. Plus we always find each other as town and keep vibing together, and I'm feeling the same here. That entry post felt extremely genuine in that same vein, like she was looking for me as town to work together. It's the kind of unique townie mindset.

Don't think she fit those categorys, seen her pretty active as scum and not caught early on. It's more about our connection, and a part of her town game that shines brightly. She goes from 0 to 100 real quick as town and is pretty paranoid, while as scum she usually tries to scale that down a little and try an analytical approach.

Are both of you happened to be long lost siblings?

@bold

If you're scum and she's town in this game I'm going to laugh hard on her face. If both of you're scum I'm going to laugh at the people who already know you.

Something about Houtarou is giving me the heebie jeebies a little and I have no fucking idea why lmao. I don't know he just feels so emotionally detached from the game in a weird way if that makes sense

What's your opinion about him right now?

@Houtarou scum lean-update. Just because you gave response opinion then afk does not make you town.
Nova- 50/50,like i said before benefit of the doubt.(btw nova your meter dropping) I did not like his response with poison. or shade at dragomir... though. town lean for now. .

Though dragomir response to nova.




To lazy to find the gif.






yeah she must be saint for calling people possible liers in her first reply, yeah her intentions sound so towny! ,instant shading as her opening. then procedes to claim. NAI on me and Nova town reading each other!

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NAI also term for scum, open buddying. So you think her shading me here, then starts to tunnel is so towny? yeah overreacted. (sarcasm)

Lmao what? I'm the towniest townie, can't have my meter dropping

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What response was that? Shading =/= Suspecting. I'm doing the latter, and engaging him pretty vocally. Helps figure out stuff. Come on now!

I don't know why these conversation feel forced, unnatural, so sudden and doesn't make sense between these two.

I've been thinking about Michelle lately. Not sure if she's been swamped but she just feels a little bit absent in the thread even when posting. She sounds alright but I haven't really gotten an epiphany moment where I go "she's definitely town here" lol.

Probably the sleeper pick in my town core as of now

I'm going to ISO Michelle after this.

He was a pretty consensus scum read, and if there ever was a consensus towncore on D1 (mine suspecting him), most of its members were on it. I'm not sure what any partner of scum!Luk could have done there.

And why would scum need to create another wagon if Lukundo is Town right? Why you didn't think about that scenario? Remember this is flipless game.

Lolol a few

What makes you think I'm acting naive just because I have a conviction?

That's a pretty arbitrary way of looking at things, and it's basically based on nothing but "feels". And it discredits the bases of the case that was made against someone. It's the same narrative as perceiving people defending themselves or fighting to save themselves as scum, while people not caring as town. Both alignments are capable of doing the same.

The wagon didn't materialize at of thing air, nor was it a counter wagon to someone else. He was a consensus scum read and it built up into an unstoppable wagon. The writing was on the wall. He could very well be scum and have had some real life issues making him unable to show up and defend himself. Him not being here and not defending himself, doesn't make him town suddenly. Correlation doesn't imply causation.

The same goes to any attempt at saving him by his scum. Assume the case was correct, and most of the townread people were pushing him, what would scum teammates be able to do there? The dead air, dead villager isn't really applicable here 'cause the dude himself wasn't present.

Of course, he could have been town but I still like the case against him so I'm rolling with it being scum lynch since there was no flip. It has nothing to do with being naive, it's just fun and makes me feel good lol.

Of course scum is happy playing in the flipless game and will rolling happily with any mislynch opportunity.

You're looking at thing very one dimensional here Nova.

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Tbh Nova what I saw and read in this ISO majority of it are opinion. Opinion upon opinion. Words upon Words. You shared a lot of opinion but there's no real scum hunting.
Yes I understand why Lukundo got lynched. He played very negative aka Scummy but that doesn't mean he's scum. Even without my vote Lukundo's fate has been decided. It easy to secure a lynch on player that play scummy. We have lots of experience with it.

I have decide,

VoteLynch: Nova

 

[Ansatsuken]

Alice- day 1, seems to take my Oreki sus and vote him, day 2 comes for waindo after i stated my reason for not going for waindo.

She feels more like a shadow. Like scum who not hunting but going off other town reads.

50/50 for her atm.

Ansa- seems fake impression, why is he bothered by liking post, me and nova don't play petty. (where just here to have fun)
Impression- day 1, Ryu did not like him, day 2 seems to go for waindo before backing off after more explanation given for waindo reason.

could be town, or scum, but he playing similar to waindo, so not really a fan.


atm sus list.

Like I really care.

 

[Poison]

Are both of you happened to be long lost siblings?

Lmao.

Well as i said, this is ansa town.

 

[Poison]

Lmao.

Well as i said, this is ansa town.

Also, if I'm wrong I won't trust ansa ever again.

 

[Ansatsuken]

I don't know why you assumed that I considered you scum because you voted Nova when I was suspecting you from way before lol

Good that shows you've become rusty. Not the one that I'm gonna rely on.

 

[Michelle]

Tbh, Poison can independently be scum without being buddies with Luke. What she did there with that post can be done if the player she voted for was town. I'm staying with the original idea that they're buddies though. Their interaction isn't really coming across to me as TvS or TvT.

i agree with this reasoning.

Yes but if I'm confirmed town reading @Naomi_Rose whom I tunneled a lot last dp and I say she confirmed something don't you think that kinda speaks for itself. Well I won't go any deeper in this just don't divert town. And Naomi, i hope you are getting my point right? So yea I won't agree for town to divert right now. It's just waste of time atm.

What difficulty is for scum to town read someone faking a peek?

I haven't really paid any attention to him lol. He's in my yellow pile, waiting to hear back from him concerning his latest post.

i wonder if something/anything can go outside of town Nova reach.

Some townies like to share their thought process, it's not inherently bad

Nova making posts NAI feels tricky.

 

[Poison]

What difficulty is for scum to town read someone faking a peek?

You don't understand, i was the only one who talked about it. It is something only a town would know. And naomi responded to me ,not the other way round. A non town would have no idea about it, at least not in DP 1 .

 

[Michelle]

The point is you mentioned about not being able to play like you usually do which is "activity" indicative .

You being "aggressive" is not related to activity.

The nature of your play is not aggressive , the whole sk thing in the other game is kinda exception cause that was over the line , but the point is you don't play aggressive usually. You are more concerned about how the other players are thinking about you right now hence you unknowingly becoming a bit aggressive? The same thing reflected on your early post which I took into consideration while putting you in my hunch list DP1 .

you don't know me outside the site. Aggresivity is my town face and what makes me extremely easy to read elsewhere. Naomi noticed it better.

On the other hand, taking my interaction with SK as exception means I fighted less on site and so i can understand you really don't know my play.

You don't seem to want to understand me, but instead you want to shade me?

 

[Michelle]

You don't understand, i was the only one who talked about it. It is something only a town would know. And naomi responded to me ,not the other way round. A non town would have no idea about it, at least not in DP 1 .

Ok, so this is between you 2 only and we have nothing other than your word.

No matter your AI i came to the conclusion she is villager in this game with 95% accuracy.

 

[Michelle]

Ansa's wall is too long to read at work. Except i read the final
Conclusion seems logic, i wish to support that wagon.

Vote lynch: Nova

 

[Dragomir]

Alice is bad. Anybody sharing this read with me?