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Medical Fuuinjutsu doesn't exist anymore. Anything that notes "Requires Medical Fuuinjutsu" just translates to "You need Fuuinjutsu and Medical Ninjutsu" to use. Advanced Fuuinjutsu is needed to make S/F Ranked Fuuinjutsu, as well as Body Seals.
O_O Just to confirm, does that include the Medical Fuin list?
 

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Lets say I volunteer to developing a game at, lets say, Bungie. I can volunteer all I want and be full of the best intentions but if I don't know a thing about the game they are making or coding or anything of the sorts, I won't be able to contribute.

Moderators of the RP are, by default, people with full dominion of the RP, dedication, free time and also with some area, whithin the RP, where they stand out from the crowd. Doesn't mean they are the best fighters, best RPears or best CJ makers. Doesn't mean they are the strongest around. But if they aren't good and above the majority, they can't guide the RP.

A pack of wolves can't be lead by a cub. Its lead by the most capable amongst the pack.

Modesty is one thing Howard, but never let it obscure your own view of your self worth nor the value of your own contribution and skill set. You've always been good in the RP. You've always stood out. And you were always smart and dedicated. And you always understood the RP better than most. That means you are amongst the top rpears by default. As in, perhaps top 5%.

At least, thats my take on it.
To add on to that. @Howard you’ve carried the NW on its back and kept it interesting furthermore, you created something that inspired people to play the game. Reaching out through means of passing missions with your clever remarks and the ability to make anyone able to sit down and want to listen. Howard, like said. Don’t devalue yourself, keep yo head up high!
 

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MPM is extremely strong considering its accessibility and flexibility. I'm too attached to Sound, but combining MPM with another HA/KG is the way to go for newer members imo. +20 boost to all your fields? Death subversion? Elementally neutral chakra field that's been unexplored? Most of its weaknesses can also be negated through Yang/Med
Sound is life.
 
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Can someone tell me why Hayabusa Clan’s passive ability: to not be sensed by extra senses besides the “basic 5” (even though humans have more than 5 senses) not Overpowered? I mean, let’s backtrack, I get the drift about the senses in a common conception of only being the important five, but in a shinobi world like this, one can use jutsu to further limit their opponent from sensing them through those very senses. So can someone explain to me why that PASSIVE ability is not broken. <.<

Now as I was reading into it, and it did state that they cannot attack, however that was if they decided to further ease themselves from the basic “five” senses.
 
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Effectively they can erase their chakra system so that they cannot be sensed by anything that can see/sense chakra. Its not really that overpowered, it just reduces a way for them to be tracked. It is balanced by not being able to use offence while in this mode, iirc.

If you put that on them, then youd need Yin to use nara, Yang to use Akimichi etc. The most basic ninja skill allows you to erase your chakra, I think an C rank tech?

(Chakra Yokuatsu no Jutsu) - Chakra Suppression Technique
Type: Supplementary
Rank: C
Range: Short
Chakra cost: 15 (-5 per turn)
Damage points: N/A
Description: This ability allows the user to suppress their chakra to the point that it is completely undetectable. This makes it impossible for chakra sensory-type ninja to track them via their chakra signal. However there is some downside to the technique, whilst suppressing their chakra they cannot use any of the ninja skills.
Note: Cannot prevent Doujutsu users from detecting them

Their CC just takes it a step further to suppres any chakra sensing method.
 
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Wujin (No-being): This is a passive ability within the Hayabusa clan and the first introduction to the manipulation of existence through Neidan that a Hayabusa shinobi gains. This ability is how the Hayabusa have stayed hidden from the outside world for as long as they have. This ability deals with the concealment of a Hayabusa’s existence from the means of sensory and perception. The Hayabusa manipulate their Dantian (chakra centers) in order to erase their physical essence, vital energy, and incorporeal spirit on an extra-sensory and perception level. In other words, any means of comprehension of the existence of the Hayabusa that isn’t done through the five basic senses is impossible for non-Hayabusa. This is achieved at the genin level and is passive just as the tree climbing and water walking exercises. When a Hayabusa becomes skilled enough, they can even erase themselves from the perception of the five basic senses, however, doing so requires active manipulation of the Dantian and takes one of the three moves per turn. Also, due to the fact that a Hayabusa is essentially out of the plain of existence in this form, they cannot attack an opponent or mold their chakra to use techniques until they release the wujin and once again appear in the enemies senses. The length of time and amount of times one can erase their own existence depends on the skill of the Hayabusa. Hayabusa are immune to one another’s Wujin abilities at a certain level and rank and are capable of detecting other Hayabusa members no matter where they are. This is done through Taijin.
Basic 5 senses are Touch, Smell, Taste, Sight and Hearing. Outside of that you have Balance, Kinesthesic Sense (dunno if thats how its spelled though) and Pain. Additionally you have other stuff like Hunger and what not but lets focus on the big 8. Now, the first 5 exist to perceive the stimulus of the world around you and enable your brain to make a picture of it. The other 3 are linked to your own body and how its funcioning and can be considered "internal senses". Balance pertains to knowing the orientation of your body in relation to gravity, Kinesthesic Sense relates to your brain's ability to know where every body part is in relation to the body itself (its the information you receive that lets you put your hand behind your back and know its behind your back and in what position are the fingers without having to look) and Pain pertains to the information that something isn't right with your body.

In narutoverse, in a battle, those 3 last senses are useless which leaves the basic 5. Hayabusa, in how its worded, can hide their presence from other senses than the basic 5 passively. So, chakra sensing, force sense, energy sense, temperature sensing, emotion sensing, etc. However, you can still hear them, touch them, see them, taste them (if thats your thing) or smell them (again, if thats your thing).

I don't feel its OP because to "hide themselves" from those 5 basic ones, they need to use a technique. Its strong, yes, specially against certain bios that rely on those extra senses, but not OP. To hide themselves completely, they need to disappear from existance through a move and chakra cost. Its not unlike....Teleportation or some other high level technique. But if they want to attack, they need to "return" to existence and can, therefore, be felt.

Also, and this is my personal reasoning, this doesn't prevent you from sensing techniques they use or chakra they externalize or manifestations of their techniques, etc. Even some of those blocked techniques can be used but in an inverse way...but thats another thing lol
 
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There was a funny joke going around for a while that if they 'erase' their chakra system so it cant be detected, then how do they unerase if there isnt any chakra they can use. To Be honest, I think a better name for what they do is rather something akin to invisibility.
They are strong, with a lot of techniques that probably need to be addressed or rebalanced, perhaps even worded differently but theyre not OP by anymeans. They still physically exists, they just cannot be tracked. So use a wide range omni directional attack.
 
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There was a funny joke going around for a while that if they 'erase' their chakra system so it cant be detected, then how do they unerase if there isnt any chakra they can use. To Be honest, I think a better name for what they do is rather something akin to invisibility.
They are strong, with a lot of techniques that probably need to be addressed or rebalanced, perhaps even worded differently but theyre not OP by anymeans. They still physically exists, they just cannot be tracked. So use a wide range omni directional attack.
Would you consider Force Sense on Binkans to be OP?
 

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Would you consider Force Sense on Binkans to be OP?
Thats tough. Reason being that your Force Sense allows your to sense everything Force related, but youve described everything in reality and the universe to be considered the Force.
"Its present in everything and everything living is part of it, being intertwined and connected to and through it. While is seamlessly doesn't drive anything, its also the connection between the universe's existence and the binding that sews the fabric of existance. Only Binkan are in tune with the force and they are the only ones that can sense it or be aware of it. "
Effectively this allows you to sense pretty much anything and everything whether it has chakra or not. Meaning that unless someone deprives you of your link to the force, you could sense anything. Even if they say its not part of the universe, or has no connecting to reality, you could describe sensing it as "There was a hole, a gap, something that was moving through the world that was creating a hole in the force, much like a hole moving through paper" or something along those line.

Whether this means you could react to it is another story, eg reality warping, moving faster than you can move etc, but in the context of sensing, it pretty much means you have no blind spots or cannot be unsurprised. I think that naturally gives you an advantage, making it a touch overpowered, when as I said the only way to stop you sensing is to take away your connection to the force.

As for the rest of the Binkan Abilities, Im not too sure I havent looked too far into your CCJ, but if theyre anything like Extended universe feats, theyd be pretty op :p
(Pulling star ships out of orbit and all that lol!)
 
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Basic 5 senses are Touch, Smell, Taste, Sight and Hearing. Outside of that you have Balance, Kinesthesic Sense (dunno if thats how its spelled though) and Pain. Additionally you have other stuff like Hunger and what not but lets focus on the big 8. Now, the first 5 exist to perceive the stimulus of the world around you and enable your brain to make a picture of it. The other 3 are linked to your own body and how its funcioning and can be considered "internal senses". Balance pertains to knowing the orientation of your body in relation to gravity, Kinesthesic Sense relates to your brain's ability to know where every body part is in relation to the body itself (its the information you receive that lets you put your hand behind your back and know its behind your back and in what position are the fingers without having to look) and Pain pertains to the information that something isn't right with your body.

In narutoverse, in a battle, those 3 last senses are useless which leaves the basic 5. Hayabusa, in how its worded, can hide their presence from other senses than the basic 5 passively. So, chakra sensing, force sense, energy sense, temperature sensing, emotion sensing, etc. (1) However, you can still hear them, touch them, see them, taste them (if thats your thing) or smell them (again, if thats your thing).

I don't feel its OP because to "hide themselves" from those 5 basic ones, they need to use a technique. Its strong, yes, specially against certain bios that rely on those extra senses, but not OP. To hide themselves completely, they need to disappear from existance through a move and chakra cost. Its not unlike....Teleportation or some other high level technique. (2) But if they want to attack, they need to "return" to existence and can, therefore, be felt.

Also, and this is my personal reasoning, this doesn't prevent you from sensing techniques they use or chakra they externalize or manifestations of their techniques, etc. Even some of those blocked techniques can be used but in an inverse way...but thats another thing lol
I think you misunderstood something lol I will argue here at the bold:

1) Sight, sound, and Smell is one of the basic senses that can easily be affected by ninjutsu haha they’re the essence of being a ninja.

2) That’s the misunderstanding that I think you or I read as “if they further expand on their ability to erase their existence” meaning by normal means they don’t have to “return” to existence. Passively they can’t be smelled or detected by foot prints on the ground lol since their ability prevents even that. If it was elaborated on how the senses are prevented it would help because at the current state, by word. You cannot see them even if they walk in sand smh haha

edit: you cannot sense their chakra therefore you cannot sense their jutsu lmaoo
 

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I think you misunderstood something lol I will argue here at the bold:

1) Sight, sound, and Smell is one of the basic senses that can easily be affected by ninjutsu haha they’re the essence of being a ninja.

2) That’s the misunderstanding that I think you or I read as “if they further expand on their ability to erase their existence” meaning by normal means they don’t have to “return” to existence. Passively they can’t be smelled or detected by foot prints on the ground lol since their ability prevents even that. If it was elaborated on how the senses are prevented it would help because at the current state, by word. You cannot see them even if they walk in sand smh haha

edit: you cannot sense their chakra therefore you cannot sense their jutsu lmaoo
I think you might get a better understanding if you fight one. You can understand how their abilities work and what their limitations are. While that might be a description of the clan, the techniques themselves still have limitations
 

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Thats tough. Reason being that your Force Sense allows your to sense everything Force related, but youve described everything in reality and the universe to be considered the Force.
"Its present in everything and everything living is part of it, being intertwined and connected to and through it. While is seamlessly doesn't drive anything, its also the connection between the universe's existence and the binding that sews the fabric of existance. Only Binkan are in tune with the force and they are the only ones that can sense it or be aware of it. "
Effectively this allows you to sense pretty much anything and everything whether it has chakra or not. Meaning that unless someone deprives you of your link to the force, you could sense anything. Even if they say its not part of the universe, or has no connecting to reality, you could describe sensing it as "There was a hole, a gap, something that was moving through the world that was creating a hole in the force, much like a hole moving through paper" or something along those line.

Whether this means you could react to it is another story, eg reality warping, moving faster than you can move etc, but in the context of sensing, it pretty much means you have no blind spots or cannot be unsurprised. I think that naturally gives you an advantage, making it a touch overpowered, when as I said the only way to stop you sensing is to take away your connection to the force.

As for the rest of the Binkan Abilities, Im not too sure I havent looked too far into your CCJ, but if theyre anything like Extended universe feats, theyd be pretty op :p
(Pulling star ships out of orbit and all that lol!)
Lol, customs are heavily restricted though and very defensive in nature but strong.

I had a condition to get my clan approved: I couldn't say that The Force, as it exists in Starwarsverse, exists in Narutoverse. I had to word it differently. As such, the force is just a name for the flow and fabric of existence. Binkan's are aware of the fabric of existence and all that exists around them. They not only sense it, they know it. Its omniscience in a way. The limitation was that I didn't add any form of reaction enhancement multiplier to it. so, in a way, its inferior to chakra sensing, inner sonar, doujutsu, etc. in this RP.

And Hayabusa actually are my bane. I can't know them. Sure, I can know their "hole" in the field like you said, but not themselves or stuff they do inside themselves. Z_Z tricky reborn.


I think you misunderstood something lol I will argue here at the bold:

1) Sight, sound, and Smell is one of the basic senses that can easily be affected by ninjutsu haha they’re the essence of being a ninja.

2) That’s the misunderstanding that I think you or I read as “if they further expand on their ability to erase their existence” meaning by normal means they don’t have to “return” to existence. Passively they can’t be smelled or detected by foot prints on the ground lol since their ability prevents even that. If it was elaborated on how the senses are prevented it would help because at the current state, by word. You cannot see them even if they walk in sand smh haha

edit: you cannot sense their chakra therefore you cannot sense their jutsu lmaoo
1)?

2) again... ?? where is it stated they don't make foot prints or can't be smelled? I didn't see that. If so, what basic 5 senses are they talking about? And I was the one to approve it X_X
 

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Lol, customs are heavily restricted though and very defensive in nature but strong.

I had a condition to get my clan approved: I couldn't say that The Force, as it exists in Starwarsverse, exists in Narutoverse. I had to word it differently. As such, the force is just a name for the flow and fabric of existence. Binkan's are aware of the fabric of existence and all that exists around them. They not only sense it, they know it. Its omniscience in a way. The limitation was that I didn't add any form of reaction enhancement multiplier to it. so, in a way, its inferior to chakra sensing, inner sonar, doujutsu, etc. in this RP.

And Hayabusa actually are my bane. I can't know them. Sure, I can know their "hole" in the field like you said, but not themselves or stuff they do inside themselves. Z_Z tricky reborn.




1)?

2) again... ?? where is it stated they don't make foot prints or can't be smelled? I didn't see that. If so, what basic 5 senses are they talking about? And I was the one to approve it X_X

Ah, I understand, we all make sacrifices for the design and things we want for our Customs. The clan idea I origiinally had, was based on a Light/Dark theme, as in (similar to Binkan/Star Wars) you had a Light Path, and Dark path. But the decision was that Light already existed as a CE and the Dark spec was too similar to the Dark AE, so I had to sacrifice and effectively just use more of a cosmetic theme instead.
But Binkan are a really fascinating clan, as a Star Wars fan, its nice to see them integrated into the NRP. Might have to go read through your CJ thread to see tha abilities you made! Are you thinking of adding anyone into the clan?
 

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Lol, customs are heavily restricted though and very defensive in nature but strong.

I had a condition to get my clan approved: I couldn't say that The Force, as it exists in Starwarsverse, exists in Narutoverse. I had to word it differently. As such, the force is just a name for the flow and fabric of existence. Binkan's are aware of the fabric of existence and all that exists around them. They not only sense it, they know it. Its omniscience in a way. The limitation was that I didn't add any form of reaction enhancement multiplier to it. so, in a way, its inferior to chakra sensing, inner sonar, doujutsu, etc. in this RP.

And Hayabusa actually are my bane. I can't know them. Sure, I can know their "hole" in the field like you said, but not themselves or stuff they do inside themselves. Z_Z tricky reborn.




1)?

2) again... ?? where is it stated they don't make foot prints or can't be smelled? I didn't see that. If so, what basic 5 senses are they talking about? And I was the one to approve it X_X
Yeah am losing my mind. Probably overthinking something >.<
 
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