Yes. That is exactly what I'm saying :lol. A shadow clone has half the original's chakra. Shadow clones can use any of the original's techniques given they have enough chakra. Unless you think Tsukuyomi takes more than half of Itachi's chakra, I don't see where you're going with this. Don't know why you're having trouble grasping a relatively simple concept.
Itachi's crow clone which doesn't take up to half his chakra like the shadow clone could pull out a Ribcage but Itachi couldn't pull it out because it takes a considerable amount of chakra despite pulling Tsukoyomi which also does? Makes no sene.....Where's your proof that a Ribcage takes more than that? None. Susano'o has different forms and they take different amounts of chakra. Unless you think PS takes the same amount as a Ribcage which was never noted to take that much like Tsukoyomi. You're only making up the fact that it takes much.
Itachi had just used Tsukuyomi and was trying to preserve chakra. He literally states that he was
forced to use Amaterasu (Viz TV).
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But he wasn't forced to use Susanoo. If ribcage Susanoo takes less chakra than Amaterasu like you are saying, then he wouldn't have used Amaterasu nor would he say he was forced to use it when there was an alternative. A ribcage could have ripped through the toad stomach more easily than Amaterasu.
This sickening logic you're employing simply because you have 0 proof that a Ribcage takes that much. Because he didn't use this doesn't mean he couldn't have employed it. That's crap. Not to mention there could be reasons why he didn't use Susano'o but it's unknown to us. Don't bring in "he didn't use a Ribcage" when you don't have valid enough reasons except well, anticipate he didn't use it because it takes more chakra. Plus the fact that there was a distance between them and that wall
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and the fact that it required enough speed to get rid of that due to the wall of flesh behind them being swift hence Itachi had no choice but to clear the one in front of him before he got there
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And yes. Itachi's clone can use Amaterasu, because there's literally no reason for that not being possible. When we have feats of a crow clone (much weaker than shadow clone) using Susanoo, this much should be obvious. The bold makes no sense, because your only evidence for Tsukuyomi>Susanoo is an irrelevant statement.
Keep saying these things. Not to mention what makes this moronic is the fact that a crow clone contains less amount of chakra that the shadow clone as stated by the DB so it means a Ribcage definitely doesn't take that much.
How about no? My evidence is based on that fact that you BEANS have zero scans to prove the fact that a RIBCAGE takes a large amount of chakra....Your comparison is weak because different forms of Susano'o require different level of chakra.
Kakashi said "it takes a considerable amount of chakra." Something he only knew secondhand because he was in genjutsu the moment he looked in Itachi's eye and therefore couldn't see the side effects. Once you can connect this statement to your argument that Tsukuyomi>Susanoo in terms of chakra use, then we can talk about this actually being a relevant point to make.
Pretty sure you need to realize how you sound. Also, google the definition of considerable and I don't care because it's been stated either way that it does take a large amount. A crow clone was only shown to use a Ribcage and that's it. Sasuke's chakras were growing weaker to the point where he couldn't do much and yet he could still maintain a Ribcage eve though he couldn't use other forms...Upon his chakra being replenished, he could employ higher versions of Susano'o. Your arguments don't make sense because you can't even prove that a Ribcage takes as much chakra...You're only using "Susano'o" as an argument which is nonsensical..When a Ribcage doesn't take as much chakra in that contained crow clone which isn't close to the shadow in terms of chakra reserves? Yet I'm supposed to believe it taking a considerable amount like Tsukoyomi and Amaterasu?
Bring proof that a Ribcage takes a large amount like those 2 or don't bother.
1. Itachi used Amaterasu instead of Susanoo to break free from Toad mouth bind. Something I've already explained.
Something I've already addressed.
2. Susanoo takes chakra from both eyes, whereas Tsukuyomi requires chakra from only one eye. A point I've already brought up.
Susano'o has different forms, hence different levels of chakra.
3. If chakra use has anything to do with MS strain (I think it does), then further proof is that Itachi went blind in one eye after using that sharingan for one Tsukuyomi and also to hold up Susanoo for a second to block Kirin, against Sasuke. He didn't go blind in his other eye until he used it 5 times for Amaterasu.
Irrelevant
Tayuya's genjutsu supressed Itachi's chakra enough to where he couldn't use Susanoo, but not enough to where he couldn't use Tsukuyomi. That's all there is to it.
All there is to it is that you failed horribly to prove your point of why a large amount can which is more than or around a Ribcage.
- Itachi's crow clone doesn't take up to half but can use a Ribcage showing it doesn't taken that much..Yet Itachi couldn't pull it out? You're trying to serious? I'll give you sometime to rethink how silly you sound.
I doubt exploding a paper tag requires either yin or yang considering genin level ninja can do so and not every genin has yang. If you really need me to, I will look through DB descriptions of every character that has detonated a paper bomb ever. I'm sure I will find someone, who like Konan, is not listed as a yin user.
If it doesn't then it stands no chance. Nothing suggest Konan can control paper in these circumstances.
Apex and KidGamer explained pretty well why Susanoo is manifested through yin, then stabilized by feeding off Sasuke's physical energy (yang.)
No but notice none responded to my last post because of the points I raised.
If Ay could have reactivated it after getting caught in genjutsu, he obviously would have done it :lol. Exact same situation as Susanoo. Genjutsu=suppresses chakra. Raiton armour=releasing large amounts of chakra, and V2 was stated to be Ay amping up his chakra levels to tailed beast levels. Bee's V1 cloak wasn't deactivated because that's Hachibi's chakra (not Bee) thus its chakra wasn't supressed, because Hachibi wasn't caught in the genjutsu.
He obviously would have done it if it could isn't an argument you know? Not to mention the Genjutsu suppressing them are different. Genjutsu controls the chakra in your head and Killer B was filled with Hachibi's chakra
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. Hence that chakra should have been suppressed since that's the chakra being controlled. Plus the bottom right of this scan, B states his almost absorbed most of my chakra despite us knowing it was Hachibi's chakra given to him at that point
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. He couldn't because that was the Chakra given to him for him to control.
Hence that chakra should have been suppressed.
Show me where in the panel it indicates them most likely being just brought out, because there's no indication of that. Why would she bring out more papers, when she already had formed shurikens in her hand ready to throw? When she was a kid, her paper movement speed is definitely slower than when she is an adult, so maybe she threw them because they would fly faster, and so Nagato could enhance them with fuuton with better timing.
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The same paper is hovering by her head in both panels, despite enough time having elapsed between panels for Konan to move her arms and throw the shuriken a good distance ahead of her.
Show me where the panels indicate them hovering...Show me where got them from. I really wonder where...Explain to me why there's one above her head and 3 in from of her in different positions. She could have manipulated them while Nagato strengthened it or made it faster. Why are they not shown being manipulated? That's an assumption.
I've never been surprised before...Let's look at the 2 panels and you tell me if the position of the bottom right and bottom left are the same
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Hell no..They cleared as she threw it and in the Nagato panel, there's no paper there. They won't be scattering about if she could control them and the one above won't be that far from her head in the next panel. Minimal evidence that she did. Why didn't the fire the other ones? Why just 2? Maybe because she couldn't freely manipulate them because she fired 4-5 at a time in her paper state at Obito in this state.
Okay, Tobirama threw the paper tags. What was your point with that again?
That you have no point.
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- Konan slaps to activate her God technique. That could just mean the paper bombs were way too much to be controlled at the same time..1 billion anyways which is why it was made into a technique.
- Konan creates paper into a sword to stab Jiraiya?
- Konan is manipulating her paper Lol..She's activating her Shikigami technique.
- How does that even show Konan using hand movements to manipulate her paper? She's releasing paper from her body and firing it at him.
- Not sure how that show her having to user hand movements to control them? Because she flies upwards and then her paper moves at the same time with her moving towards Obito.
Sometimes she uses physical movements, and sometimes she doesn't. Just the same way Gaara sometimes moves his hands to manipulate sand, and sometimes he doesn't (a point you didn't address).
Let's assume your point was made, it would never ever show that Base Konan can replicate the same. Not to mention the first time she tried firing paper at Obito, she had to transform first to throw that much at him? Why? Why not in her Base form and then when she wanted to attack him directly, she could have transformed then to save chakra.
Konan spreads her chakra throughout her paper in a similar way that Gaara spreads his chakra throughout his sand so I don't see why a comparison can't be drawn here. She can probably do it on a larger and faster scale when she aids it with physical movement, but still lol....you are claiming she cannot move one paper, or detonate one paper bomb without movement? Come on now. Especially when she can make a boquet of flowers made from dozens of papers with a slight flick of her wrist [
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Thanks, another proof that she requires physical movement in order to manipulate paper. There's a reason to why there are 2 forms...Paper form and Base form. Shows that her flexibility with the paper is much greater than her base form asides this assumption.
Not to mention intel is full here so when Konan sees Tayuya bring out her flute she can just detonate a bunch of paper bombs and drown out the noise of the flute with explosions so Konan wins no matter what you say.
While the remaining sound 5 do nothing...Not to mention this would mess up her view and Jirobo who can use hiding like a mole would take advantage of this trapping her. Plus if she's focused on Tayuya, webs can catch her off guard, Kimmi can shoot out Teshi Sendan. There just a lot of combos that can come after he once she's caught off guard. They all need to protect Tayuya and that's it.
I addressed the Yin argument.
