Kishi's horrible writing - Sakura

[MAN OF SIN]

Sakura's goal was Sasuke...everything in between was in order to accomplish that goal of Sasuke.

a character failing to accomplish mini goals and so called taking steps back on development is meant to create tension. Also to keep them from being a Stu type character who is always right.

He tries to project her strong, only to have her forget how to breath in the next moment. Its like 1 step forward, 10 steps back. If I had to say something to him I would say make up your mind about Sakura dude. Why humiliate her ?


Character development showing her resolve...after fearing Madara, she stood up to him...then Kaguya.

Its not rocket science.

Catching up to her teammates, aidng Naruto in bringing back Sasuke, not being on the sidelines were major goals. It was quit a big deal to her. The first and last one has been there since part 1.

Oh and she didn't step up to Kaguya. She snuck up on her.

 

[Avani]

This is not about female character or male character. Just one specific character.
Sanji groping women and Sakura hitting Naruto are comic relief. I understand that. I have not mentioned in the OP about her hitting Naruto, if you notice

Now back to that part where you were following my line of reasoning. Sakura wanted something you say. If she wanted to be a medic where was that motivation in Part 1?(Sanji has always wanted to find all blue)

She wanted to be a ninja and she is. She specialized as a medical ninja and reasons to pick it were explained well. There is no part one or part two in the manga. But if you are referring to the time skip in story Sakura decided to becomes a medic in part 1 itself. it's not like part 1 was very long. It all happened within a year. Have you even read the manga?

Now let's say in Part 2 she realised that being a medic is her priority. So what should her priority be ?

Again -no part 2 and she decided to specialize in medical field in part one. And she had very practical and good reasons to be one. Her priority is just right. Their team was missing a medical ninja. And the lack of one had got many of the team lead by Shikamaru were almost dead.

The village or Naruto or Sasuke?

How is her decision to be a medical ninja against interest of either party? What kind of logic is that?

As a medical ninja she did well in the final battle, but somethings don't add up and make her character flawed.

In other words it makes her character flawed because I want to say so but cannot think of a good reason.... :|

Exactly what doesn't add up?

For eg :- your aim is to be a medical ninja, you stay behind and help Sasuke and Naruto.
Why would you charge towards Madara? Is that what a proficient medical ninja do ?

Yes proficient medical ninja that can assure their survival are. Tsunade said those medics who could use Bayakugo were allowed to fight. ^^ Kabuto is a damn good fighter too. All three take risks where they can ensure their survival. They stay behind only when they run the risk of getting hurt first and unable to recover.

Why were you doing this? Just so Naruto and Sasuke could be together ? Was that your task to begin with ? No. Your task was to be behind them and assist them. Instead you get yourself stabbed. So do you do justice to your new found dream ?

No that's not her task and she damn well said it many times that she was going to fight from the front. She got stabbed on purpose and she was able to heal herself unlike certain someone else. Her fault was charging without taking her team mates in confidence first, thus surprising them too. But Sasuke and Naruto were at fault too for rushing after her instead of using that diversion to their benefit. Despite her repeatedly trying to make it a point they were not really listening that she was ready to fight. The purpose of the whole scene was to show the problem of lack of team work - Sakura determined to lend a hand while Sasuke and Naruto still not realizing it. Then Sasuke got irked that she risked herself. All those panels had a purpose.

Now that you have decided to be a medical ninja and help the village , would you go to the front lines to taken down your love ?(Sasuke killing Danzo ) Is that your priority or your love for Sasuke the priority ? What is your aim ? You really think you can take him down ? Or is it your responsibility to do so ?

She is a medical ninja. She is doing exactly what her aim was - being Ninja and she is still part of the team.
She still goes on mission and it was Shikamru's idea to take Sasuke down. She went alone partly to relieve Naruto of any guilt in case Sasuke dies. Even if she died naruto would be free from his promise to her. Blame it on Sai who guilt tripped her at a time when she was already dealing with the blow of Sasuke going rogue enough to make him a missing nin. Secondly her decision was same kind of logic as Shikamru. He thought it would be less bad if they kill Sasuke themselves instead of letting Sasuke be assassinated like a common criminal by someone other village. Sakura felt if he must die then she as may well do it herself if possible and spare him being hunted by other teams from her own village as well. Either way she was willing to risk death to relieve Naruto of his promise to her and free to deal with Sasuke as suited him.

Frankly if you people were not so biased against her the whole confession and the reunion are done just fine given the panels. The feeling one gets when finally your crush for years is confessing and yet at the same time realizing that something is going on and the person is not telling the truth but feeling burdened to confess out of guilt, friendship or thankfulness alone. The realization stings both ways.

Ok sure you have been swayed by your emotions but now when your fellow Shinobi appears, you will assist him and not poison him ?

Go back and read the manga. That was an accident during the fight and not something done on purpose and mostly to add some light tone. If we are again going on these lines is it ok to not respect your comrade enough to not sexually harass them?

What the hell is this character trying to do puzzles me.

That's evident. . You didn't even know when Sakura decided to becomes a medic.

Kishi tries to show that she is taking the lead just to get her stabbed.

Explained above. it was on purpose. The other two hadn't caught up because they didn't really practice team work together. Ino shika Cho were always the most coordinated one and they had been practicing it as a kid.

He tries to show she is helping her village, only to show the next moment , she has taken some of her fellow shinobis down and poised the village's hero.

repeatition again- seems like you didn't catch on to accident and comedy .

He tries to project her strong, only to have her forget how to breath in the next moment.

She was surprised for a sec. Forgot to breath is not something an hour long process. Anyone would be if someone like Madara suddenly appeared in front of them. That didn't stop her from joining the fight later on.

Its like 1 step forward, 10 steps back. If I had to say something to him I would say make up your mind about Sakura dude. Why humiliate her ?

Not really. He didn't humiliate her. He just kept her feminine and a healer at core. She would kill while fighting but she hesitates to hurt others in cold blood. You might prefer that she was more of an assassin, Kabuto style, but that's that.

In fact the more you post more my resentment at handling of Sakura is lessening. For I hadn't spared much thought to her or manga in a while. Not as a character and her portrayal in the manga. I just had a distinct impression that it was not that bad as they keep saying. but I wondered if I had missed something. So far you didn't bring anything. xd

PS why do you repeat everything- I had to make same replies more than once.

 

[Edenia]

This actually contradicts the manga

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That's just Sasuke being overly dramatic XD

 

[ninjarasengan]

Catching up to her teammates and aidng Naruto in bringing back Sasuke was a major goal.

Oh and she didn't step up to Kaguya. She snuck up on her.

1-She finally achieve when she punched Kaguya.
2-She accomplished by healing them when they were bleeding out.
3-She wasn't scared to hit Kaguya...it's subtle, but it counts.

 

[Conspirator.]

But really, Sakura's development is not the best. Now, I'm not one of those people who put much stock in the idea of her needing to have a "good and prestigious" background to have a chance at being well written. No, having a good background is overrated in terms of development. For example, Orochimaru, Danzo, Kakashi, Jiraiya etc are all decent at worst to well written at best, yet have no special background.

What would have been better, in my opinion, is for her goals to not revolve around Sasuke so much. Maybe she could have been someone who was bullied for not being from a special family, like her friend Ino to name but one example. That would be far more promising than what we got at first, which was basically "I wanna be with Sasuke-kun", which was a harbringer of things to come for her character. The other issue is that her dialogue doesn't impact the plot in a positive manner. The most emotional lines from her are "I love Sasuke", or the "I'm useless, I can't save Sasuke" one at the bridge.

That leads me onto my next point: Given how Kishi chose to follow the route of Sakura's character revolving around Sasuke, it would have been nice if she had at least played a small part in Sasuke changing. I'm not saying she had to be on Sasuke's level powerwise, but perhaps if she could have played a small role in talking him out of it alongside Naruto, instead of being knocked out immediately, and playing no further role until Sasuke had already reverted to the good side.

With all that being said though, given her background, Kishi developed her well powerwise. She's one of, if not the best medic in Konoha, and has great fighting feats for someone "normal". So, in sum, Sakura had good power development, but her impact on the plot via her dialogue is not good enough for a MC, which is why she's always compared to side characters like Hinata and Karin on occasion, and not MCs like Kakashi, Naruto, Sasuke, or even well written side characters like Itachi and Danzo.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

1-She finally achieve when she punched Kaguya.
2-She accomplished by healing them when they were bleeding out.
3-She wasn't scared to hit Kaguya...it's subtle, but it counts.

1-Are you kidding? Explain how it does. And then later she is shown to be vastly slower than base Naruto.
2-That has nothing to do with those goals.
3-Why would she be? She would get sealed soon after.

 

[Ken Kaneki]

I guess you and I just see things differently. You think facing Madara as a deliberate and smart move. I think of it as a confused and wasted one.

You see her going to kill Sasuke as Sai's and Shikamaru's idea. I see it as her weak resolve.

So I guess we have to agree to disagree

 

[ninjarasengan]

1-Are you kidding? Explain how it does. And then later she is shown to be vastly slower than base Naruto.
2-That has nothing to do with those goals.
3-Why would she be? She would get sealed soon after.

1-She basically wanted to be useful and not a burden...again it's not rocket science bro.
2-How do they bring back a dead Sasuke who bleed out?
3-She also could've easily shot her with an ash bone from her back.

 

[Edenia]

But really, Sakura's development is not the best. Now, I'm not one of those people who put much stock in the idea of her needing to have a "good and prestigious" background to have a chance at being well written. No, having a good background is overrated in terms of development. For example, Orochimaru, Danzo, Kakashi, Jiraiya etc are all decent at worst to well written at best, yet have no special background.

What would have been better, in my opinion, is for her goals to not revolve around Sasuke so much. Maybe she could have been someone who was bullied for not being from a special family, like her friend Ino to name but one example. That would be far more promising than what we got at first, which was basically "I wanna be with Sasuke-kun", which was a harbringer of things to come for her character. The other issue is that her dialogue doesn't impact the plot in a positive manner. The most emotional lines from her are "I love Sasuke", or the "I'm useless, I can't save Sasuke" one at the bridge.

That leads me onto my next point: Given how Kishi chose to follow the route of Sakura's character revolving around Sasuke, it would have been nice if she had at least played a small part in Sasuke changing. I'm not saying shie had to be on Sasuke's level powerwise, but perhaps if she could have played a small role in talking him out of it alongside Naruto, instead of being knocked out immediately, and playing no further role until Sasuke had already reverted to the good side.

With all that being said though, given her background, Kishi developed her well powerwise. She's one of, if not the best medic in Konoha, and has great fighting feats for someone "normal". So, in sum, Sakura had good power development, but her impact on the plot via her dialogue is not good enough for a MC, which is why she's always compared to side characters like Hinata and Karin on occasion, and not MCs like Kakashi, Naruto, Sasuke, or even well written side characters like Itachi and Danzo.

This i agree! Good post i also wish she had played a major role in saving Sasuke!

 

[MAN OF SIN]

1-She basically wanted to be useful and not a burden...again it's not rocket science bro.
2-How do they bring back a dead Sasuke who bleed out?
3-She also could've easily shot her with an ash bone from her back.

1. She says that she wants them to "look at her back" in both part 1 and part 2. As in, to be on par or above them.
2. "Brought back" as in what SkyFall mentioned.
3. No she couldn't. She was focusing on Naruto and Sasuke, Sakura knew that.

 

[Shruikan]

That's just Sasuke being overly dramatic XD

Or rather Kishimoto didnt want to spoil the canon pairings.

 

[Made in Heaven]

I'm amazed people are still fooling themselves into thinking Sakura punching Kaguya met anything for her feat wise. For real, take away plot armor, and Kaguya would have realistically one-shotted Kakashi, Naruto, Sakura and Obito w/ Mugen Tsukyomi. That would only leave sasuke to deal w/ and we all saw how she was tossing him around like a chewed up ragdoll Lol

 

[Shruikan]

But really, Sakura's development is not the best. Now, I'm not one of those people who put much stock in the idea of her needing to have a "good and prestigious" background to have a chance at being well written. No, having a good background is overrated in terms of development. For example, Orochimaru, Danzo, Kakashi, Jiraiya etc are all decent at worst to well written at best, yet have no special background.

What would have been better, in my opinion, is for her goals to not revolve around Sasuke so much. Maybe she could have been someone who was bullied for not being from a special family, like her friend Ino to name but one example. That would be far more promising than what we got at first, which was basically "I wanna be with Sasuke-kun", which was a harbringer of things to come for her character. The other issue is that her dialogue doesn't impact the plot in a positive manner. The most emotional lines from her are "I love Sasuke", or the "I'm useless, I can't save Sasuke" one at the bridge.

That leads me onto my next point: Given how Kishi chose to follow the route of Sakura's character revolving around Sasuke, it would have been nice if she had at least played a small part in Sasuke changing. I'm not saying she had to be on Sasuke's level powerwise, but perhaps if she could have played a small role in talking him out of it alongside Naruto, instead of being knocked out immediately, and playing no further role until Sasuke had already reverted to the good side.

With all that being said though, given her background, Kishi developed her well powerwise. She's one of, if not the best medic in Konoha, and has great fighting feats for someone "normal". So, in sum, Sakura had good power development, but her impact on the plot via her dialogue is not good enough for a MC, which is why she's always compared to side characters like Hinata and Karin on occasion, and not MCs like Kakashi, Naruto, Sasuke, or even well written side characters like Itachi and Danzo.

Kishimoto never really thought about her seriously.Both she and Sasuke were editors creations.Sasuke was the popular character so he focused mostly on him Naruto and the other villains.Jiraiya and the others were actually given important roles to play thus rendering the necessity of a backstory irrelevant.Heck he outright said in an interview "Sakura?Well she sorta slipped my mind"

I'm amazed people are still fooling themselves into thinking Sakura punching Kaguya met anything for her feat wise. For real, take away plot armor, and Kaguya would have realistically one-shotted Kakashi, Naruto, Sakura and Obito w/ Mugen Tsukyomi. That would only leave sasuke to deal w/ and we all saw how she was tossing him around like a chewed up ragdoll Lol

If it werent for plot,Madara would have won.Kishi did say he had no idea how to kill Madara and had plot to do it because there wasnt any legit way Naruto and Sasuke could take him down Lol

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

But really, Sakura's development is not the best. Now, I'm not one of those people who put much stock in the idea of her needing to have a "good and prestigious" background to have a chance at being well written. No, having a good background is overrated in terms of development. For example, Orochimaru, Danzo, Kakashi, Jiraiya etc are all decent at worst to well written at best, yet have no special background.

Just saying. Having a good background is just the start, not the ending. And the characters you mentioned were pretty ok characters. Anyways solid post.

 

[Made in Heaven]

If it werent for plot,Madara would have won.Kishi did say he had no idea how to kill Madara and had plot to do it because there wasnt any legit way Naruto and Sasuke could take him down Lol

Yep, him too .

 

[Edenia]

Or rather Kishimoto didnt want to spoil the canon pairings.

That too U_U

 

[Avani]

But really, Sakura's development is not the best. Now, I'm not one of those people who put much stock in the idea of her needing to have a "good and prestigious" background to have a chance at being well written. No, having a good background is overrated in terms of development. For example, Orochimaru, Danzo, Kakashi, Jiraiya etc are all decent at worst to well written at best, yet have no special background.

What would have been better, in my opinion, is for her goals to not revolve around Sasuke so much. Maybe she could have been someone who was bullied for not being from a special family, like her friend Ino to name but one example. That would be far more promising than what we got at first, which was basically "I wanna be with Sasuke-kun", which was a harbringer of things to come for her character. The other issue is that her dialogue doesn't impact the plot in a positive manner. The most emotional lines from her are "I love Sasuke", or the "I'm useless, I can't save Sasuke" one at the bridge.

But the bullies were not from some special family either so that would be stupid... And frankly that would have been awful - it would project Konoha as a village which favoured only those who had special powers. It kind of would have defeated the theme and ideal Kishi was going for.

And while her dialogues at times could use more efforts, her most emotional lines are not centered around Sasuke only. You completely missed many of her emotional lines around Naruto which made so many Naru/Sasu pairing fans so hopeful or with other characters like Ino or Chhiyo.

"I may not have amazing weapons like a puppet in me, but what I do have is my master's contempt for losing!"

"Same as always… I can only do those of things for Naruto which anyone can…" ( the episode where she was healing him after going 4 tails. She asks to be taught and Yamato tells her she cannot that jutsu to suppress Kyuubi since it needed Senju cells. That's sadness for not being able to help Naruto in more ways. She also lied to him and didn't tell that she was hurt because Naruto had hit her with Kyuubi chakra in that form so that he doesn't feel bad.

"I'm the one who made Naruto suffer the most… I've just been getting it wrong… just been messing it up… I don't want to get it wrong anymore… don't want to screw it up anymore."

^ Again - Kishi didn't really drop his initial idea of a girl who is well intentioned but keeps making faux pas or in a wrong way. She feels thankful to Naruto and understands his attraction for him but was unable to reciprocate it. And that made her confession to him less than convincing too. She could lie more convincingly about getting hurt by kyuubi chakra but she couldn't bring herself to make that convincing because she was conflicted and affected by what she was going to to do next- try to kill Sasuke or die trying. The very fact that Sasuke or her one of them was sure to die pretty soon.

I agree with the point that the dialogues and time given to this side could have been little more elaborate but in the panel slotted to it was not handled that badly. It's just that one has to stop and think about Sai and then Shikamru's words and then her decision to free Naruto of his promise to her in one way or another.

Frankly that whole part sounded like a big flaw in strategy of someone like Shkamaru more. For even if Sakura didn't ditch others they all were heading towards suicide. Sasuke was not alone. Tobi was there. Did Shikamaru really think he could take care of Sasuke without even trying to find out his current power level or finding out his associates? All the problems he was counting to convince Sakura to agree would have only quadrupled if so many died. So in the end it was a set up to make Sakura Naruto and Sasuke meet. So that Sasuke could show how far to the deep end he had gone and Naruto could decide to bare his hate, yet without giving an inch.

That leads me onto my next point: Given how Kishi chose to follow the route of Sakura's character revolving around Sasuke, it would have been nice if she had at least played a small part in Sasuke changing. I'm not saying she had to be on Sasuke's level powerwise, but perhaps if she could have played a small role in talking him out of it alongside Naruto, instead of being knocked out immediately, and playing no further role until Sasuke had already reverted to the good side.

Sakura's character surrounds her team. Everything is for story of Naruto. Even Shikamaru acts less than smart in the scenario above to facilitate a chance for Naruto. Her playing an active role during the fight would have lessened the show of power and yet friendly compassion and understanding between the guys. The shonnen goal. Giving Sakura a bigger role here would have been on Naruto's cost. Writer doesn't seem to want to make him share the spot light with anyone else even slight bit in the finale.

But saying this all, I do agree with you in general terms. I think they could have let Sakura save herself previously at least once , instead of Kakashi saving her. And her jump away from Kaguya should have been more clear too - before Kakashi flashed his PS. and there the rushing the manga in the end was clearly on her cost.

I guess the movie date being set was also a big factor. Kishi's father died giving us an unexpected break of two weeks and yet manga ended on due date even if they had to publish two chapters in a single day.

With all that being said though, given her background, Kishi developed her well powerwise. She's one of, if not the best medic in Konoha, and has great fighting feats for someone "normal". So, in sum, Sakura had good power development, but her impact on the plot via her dialogue is not good enough for a MC, which is why she's always compared to side characters like Hinata and Karin on occasion, and not MCs like Kakashi, Naruto, Sasuke, or even well written side characters like Itachi and Danzo.

Both the girls - Sakura and Hinata were never meant to be the lead anyway. They are called heroines for the sole reason of being love interest of the two lead males. And Sakura incidentally connects to both of them in one way or another. They are only supporting cast in the story even if either of them is called a heroine for that reason.

I guess you and I just see things differently. You think facing Madara as a deliberate and smart move. I think of it as a confused and wasted one.

You see her going to kill Sasuke as Sai's and Shikamaru's idea. I see it as her weak resolve.

So I guess we have to agree to disagree

I didn't say that. So what made you to conclude that? Agree to disagree is just fine, you are missing my point anyway.

1. She says that she wants them to "look at her back" in both part 1 and part 2. As in, to be on par or above them.
2. "Brought back" as in what SkyFall mentioned.
3. No she couldn't. She was focusing on Naruto and Sasuke, Sakura knew that.

1- She feels left out- be it any team if two people are doing things together while not letting in the third one on regular basis no matter small contribution the third one can make then it's often annoying by itself even if the other two didn't mean anything by it. Kakashi talked a lot about team work but what does he do as a teacher- he shelters Sakura while pays extra attention to just one guy. Shouldn't he have taught rasengan to the student with best chakra control at the time even if he couldn't teach chidori?

2- They were having typical Guy moment of shonnen so she was put in genjutsu to keep out of it. Notice that Kakashi doesn't try to help her free from it. They just let her sleep or break it on her own. Maybe he knew she would need to rejuvenate herself too before fighting again. No I don't like it that much from Sakura's angel. But, I can see why writer chose to do it that way. She was there for them in the end and ensured they get to live. :shurg: There is really not much to do about it.

3- She ninjaed her. Kakashi planned it seeing how Kaguya was evading Naruto and Sasuke. But it still means Sakura was included in the equation. Something she was asking for a long time. She had to keep insisting for even this much. Not that much of a high point to get hyper over but technically she succeeded as it was still a crucial hit.

One can ask for more since it's fantasy and push for other social agendas but they may not necessarily fit in "shonnen" - which is mostly about the guys. Female characters sharing the stage at finale itself is rare for it would take at least some focus away from the guys.

 

[Ken Kaneki]

But the bullies were not from some special family either so that would be stupid... And frankly that would have been awful - it would project Konoha as a village which favoured only those who had special powers. It kind of would have defeated the theme and ideal Kishi was going for.

And while her dialogues at times could use more efforts, her most emotional lines are not centered around Sasuke only. You completely missed many of her emotional lines around Naruto which made so many Naru/Sasu pairing fans so hopeful or with other characters like Ino or Chhiyo.

"I may not have amazing weapons like a puppet in me, but what I do have is my master's contempt for losing!"

"Same as always… I can only do those of things for Naruto which anyone can…" ( the episode where she was healing him after going 4 tails. She asks to be taught and Yamato tells her she cannot that jutsu to suppress Kyuubi since it needed Senju cells. That's sadness for not being able to help Naruto in more ways. She also lied to him and didn't tell that she was hurt because Naruto had hit her with Kyuubi chakra in that form so that he doesn't feel bad.

"I'm the one who made Naruto suffer the most… I've just been getting it wrong… just been messing it up… I don't want to get it wrong anymore… don't want to screw it up anymore."

^ Again - Kishi didn't really drop his initial idea of a girl who is well intentioned but keeps making faux pas or in a wrong way. She feels thankful to Naruto and understands his attraction for him but was unable to reciprocate it. And that made her confession to him less than convincing too. She could lie more convincingly about getting hurt by kyuubi chakra but she couldn't bring herself to make that convincing because she was conflicted and affected by what she was going to to do next- try to kill Sasuke or die trying. The very fact that Sasuke or her one of them was sure to die pretty soon.

I agree with the point that the dialogues and time given to this side could have been little more elaborate but in the panel slotted to it was not handled that badly. It's just that one has to stop and think about Sai and then Shikamru's words and then her decision to free Naruto of his promise to her in one way or another.

Frankly that whole part sounded like a big flaw in strategy of someone like Shkamaru more. For even if Sakura didn't ditch others they all were heading towards suicide. Sasuke was not alone. Tobi was there. Did Shikamaru really think he could take care of Sasuke without even trying to find out his current power level or finding out his associates? All the problems he was counting to convince Sakura to agree would have only quadrupled if so many died. So in the end it was a set up to make Sakura Naruto and Sasuke meet. So that Sasuke could show how far to the deep end he had gone and Naruto could decide to bare his hate, yet without giving an inch.


Sakura's character surrounds her team. Everything is for story of Naruto. Even Shikamaru acts less than smart in the scenario above to facilitate a chance for Naruto. Her playing an active role during the fight would have lessened the show of power and yet friendly compassion and understanding between the guys. The shonnen goal. Giving Sakura a bigger role here would have been on Naruto's cost. Writer doesn't seem to want to make him share the spot light with anyone else even slight bit in the finale.

But saying this all, I do agree with you in general terms. I think they could have let Sakura save herself previously at least once , instead of Kakashi saving her. And her jump away from Kaguya should have been more clear too - before Kakashi flashed his PS. and there the rushing the manga in the end was clearly on her cost.

I guess the movie date being set was also a big factor. Kishi's father died giving us an unexpected break of two weeks and yet manga ended on due date even if they had to publish two chapters in a single day.



Both the girls - Sakura and Hinata were never meant to be the lead anyway. They are called heroines for the sole reason of being love interest of the two lead males. And Sakura incidentally connects to both of them in one way or another. They are only supporting cast in the story even if either of them is called a heroine for that reason.



I didn't say that. So what made you to conclude that? Agree to disagree is just fine, you are missing my point anyway.




1- She feels left out- be it any team if two people are doing things together while not letting in the third one on regular basis no matter small contribution the third one can make then it's often annoying by itself even if the other two didn't mean anything by it. Kakashi talked a lot about team work but what does he do as a teacher- he shelters Sakura while pays extra attention to just one guy. Shouldn't he have taught rasengan to the student with best chakra control at the time even if he couldn't teach chidori?

2- They were having typical Guy moment of shonnen so she was put in genjutsu to keep out of it. Notice that Kakashi doesn't try to help her free from it. They just let her sleep or break it on her own. Maybe he knew she would need to rejuvenate herself too before fighting again. No I don't like it that much from Sakura's angel. But, I can see why writer chose to do it that way. She was there for them in the end and ensured they get to live. :shurg: There is really not much to do about it.

3- She ninjaed her. Kakashi planned it seeing how Kaguya was evading Naruto and Sasuke. But it still means Sakura was included in the equation. Something she was asking for a long time. She had to keep insisting for even this much. Not that much of a high point to get hyper over but technically she succeeded as it was still a crucial hit.

One can ask for more since it's fantasy and push for other social agendas but they may not necessarily fit in "shonnen" - which is mostly about the guys. Female characters sharing the stage at finale itself is rare for it would take at least some focus away from the guys.

I am not missing your point. You choose to view her from a different point of view than I do. You choose to view her charging at Madara as a wise move, while I think of it as a wasted one. Just being included does not give your character relevance. It has to be more than a plot device. And saying that this is the level we should expect the females to be in a manga is wrong.

Anyways thanks for sharing your opinion. This debate has seen comments from all sides and I fell this would benefit people who debate about Sakura's character in future. Ty all