Kishimoto is Sexist
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Snape Uchiha
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Kaguya was not portrayed in a sexist way. However there is a general pattern of sexism among Kishimoto's females. I explained all of this in earlier comments.
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Japanese manga artists have a simplistic and child like view of females.The dreams, emotions, and ambition of women is something that japanese male manga artist can't understand nor properly convey because i doubt many of them have experience with females outside of masturbating to weird japanese pron and watching reruns of Baywatch.
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Sennin of Logic
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Um..... NO? That's Lee's ideal world. Sakura would never act like that in the real world, so this is not Kishi's portrayal of females in that instance, but Lee's desire. It's really not that much different than Ino's dream, so are you arguing that he's portraying females as the dominant forces?
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Its Japan not the West,try Saudi Arabia you would not see a Woman any ware but at Her home. And they be cover up from head to toe.
slimreaper
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good,good, label everything sexist or racist. Its just what they want
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Firstly, yes you are right that Lee's dream is about Lee's mind, and not Kishi's portrayal of females. I was explaining how the fact that here is a girl in lee's dream does not contradict my argument.
As for Ino's dream, the sexist part is hat all she does is tand there blushing over two boys.
Ino's and Hinata's yes, Mei's could be argued.
Tsunade's I don't think it was sexist, Dan could have been hokage and as you can see, she wanted Jiraiya to still be alive with Orochimaru still with them and her little brother.
Tsunade's I don't think it was sexist, Dan could have been hokage and as you can see, she wanted Jiraiya to still be alive with Orochimaru still with them and her little brother.
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Though chaos control has a good point, but still it was a disappointment to see that all of their dreams were oriented to romantic success.
slimreaper
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Let me get this straight; its sexist to portray a woman as wanting men? Or is it because he didn't make her more ambitious? It its the latter, then you must be a 1970's feminist.
My point being, not every woman needs to be this
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this labeling of everything as sexist or racist is sickening
slimreaper
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Its a reference to the book 1984.
In said book the government tries to control what people think and do with words. The labeling of everything as sexist or racist fits these guidelines
chaos control
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That is not a pattern though. It was just the particular women that the panels showed who just happened to already be in love with someone or obsessed with guys in the cases of Ino and Mei. The Sakura thing was Lee's dream, so that one doesn't actually reflect on Sakura. As for Hinata's dream, you have to remember the reason why she likes Naruto in the first place. She is not having this dream because she is obsessed with guys. She specifically likes Naruto because Naruto has always encouraged her. That is not an obsession with males. That is just a desire to be encouraged (which all humans male or female have). Choji's dream was similar to Lee's in that it doesn't reflect on the woman since it was Choji's dream and his desire for a mate. As for Tsunade, it is not obsessive over guys to want your lover to be alive and living his dream. If I had a girl friend that died without getting to live her dream, my dream would be like Tsunade's too (at least part of the dream would be). Ino and Mei are the only ones who obsessed over guys, and that is just their personality like I said before.
Also, I could reverse your logic against you. By your logic, anyone who is in love with someone or who desires a mate is obsessive over the opposite ***. That includes guys as well. In fact, Lee and Choji's dreams depicted them wanting girls. By your logic, wouldn't that classify as them obsessing over girls? To tell you the truth, it would technically make theirs even more obsessive than Tsunade's since theirs just deal with adolescent crushes and desires while Tsunade's dream portrayed all of the actual tragedy in Tsunade's life and the actual true love that she had for these people. In short, your logic says that love = obsession. This would apply to both guys and girls.
Besides, there are plenty of female characters that have nothing to do with guys. There is Kaguya, Karui, Tenten, Mabui, Shizune, Temari, etc... I know you are probably about to say that most of those girls are hardly relevant, but to be fair there aren't a lot of relevant girls in this manga to begin with. Therefore, we have no other choice but to count these girls.
Conclusion: Your logic says that love = obsession = sexism. Love applies to both genders (both inside of the manga and out. We already saw Lee and Choji's dreams. Let's not even get started on Obito). Therefore with your logic, you must say that Kishi is being sexist towards both guys and girls. If you do not say this, then you are denying instances of male "obsession" for the sole purpose of advocating for females. Of course that in turn would render you as sexist towards males. It is not possible for Kishi to be sexist towards both males and females because then everyone would just be getting normal and equal treatment. Therefore there is no sexism going on here.
Yeah i read the book, that's why i said it is not fitting much.
I don't think government would want things to go that way. Atleast where i live. Or in the book. I don't recall government trying to empose the over boarding with nitpicking in concept of human rights over people.
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That was interesting. That can be a method which can be used but that does not mean racism and sexism can not be possibilities. Guess taking only a single view would be wrong either way.