Kishimoto is Sexist

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Lol no one puts Lee through shit when he saw Sakura in his dreams.

The thing with comedic IT dreams was this: they go in a perfect world. People have perfect dreams and perfect little problems. Ino does not see her father coming back because in a perfect world he is not gone. Hinata, Lee, Tenten do not see Neji coming back to life because in a perfect world that is not needed, he is granted as an usual teammate, sibling or rival figure. Mei does not see the better village after bloody mist, it already exist. Her perfect little problem is marrige.

That's what happened with most characters. They saw comedic things because the things which pained them never happened.
Only exceptions are Tsunade and Gaara who did not even experience those garnted things to a normal human.

I don't see much sexism about that. Kishi is not good when it comes to females, but this chap did not make anything any worse.
I felt like Lee's dream was a homage to Naruto SD :|

It's still a problem though. Can't the girls have non-male related dreams, big or small, like non-female-related dreams of Shino or Kiba? And notice how Tsunade isn't even Hokage in hers. In her perfect world she leaves the leading role to the man. I swear if it was my dream world I'd be the most powerful being in a universe - not because I hate men but rather just because.
 

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Well we all knew those girls were that way just like we know how Ten Ten doesnt have much of a romantic interest and doesnt not have a relationship related dream.

Also I see how you conviniently glossed over how Lee, Chouji and Shikamaru's dreams are relationship related too.

In fact I think Kishimoto is one of the less sexist mangakas as he doesnt use his females for skin show as shamelessly as others.
You missed the point. It's not about the relationships per se. In Lee and Choji's dream, it was the female obsessing over them, just like all the females obsess over males. Shikamaru's wasn't about relationships, it was him being lazy.
 

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i do not think u know what sexist means. it is a basic human need to love and be loved and even the boys had poon in their dreams like choji and shikamaru and lee.

only dream that was lame was tenten's i still do not know even what the **** it is supposed to be.
Once again, the girls were obsessing over the boys, while the boys were being obsessed over by girls. See the pattern here?
 

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1. How is Hinata being submissive by leaning on Naruto's shoulder? Have you ever heard of cuddling? Also, it's not like Naruto forced her to do that. Remember, this was Hinata's dream (not Naruto's).

2. With Choji's dream: Once again, how was that girl being submissive just by liking Choji? Since when is touching someone's shoulder submissive? To be submissive means to give in to someone's demands or desires. Choji didn't demand anything of her. He was just eating.

3. Ino: How can Ino control whether or not Sasuke and Sai fight over her? Besides, that is not sexist. Ino was already vain, shallow and obsessed with boys before, so this dream is nothing new for her personality. As for the blushing,, that is just her being flattered that the guys like her. Since when is being flattered sexist? Guys can be flattered too. I'd feel a little complimented too if two girls fought over me (even though I probably wouldn't go out with either of them).

4. Lee's dream: Sakura was always shallow as well. She chooses her mates based on looks and how good of a ninjas they are. Nothing more.

5. Mei's dream: Mei was already overly obsessed with marriage before (to the point of making death threats to people who said stuff that sounded nothing like the word marriage). Therefore this dream is not sexist and it in no way reflects on all women. It just goes along with the fact that Mei had marriage based psychological problems.

6. Tsunade simply loved Dan (who she knew wanted to be hokage). Technically, Tsunade never wanted to be hokage. Let's not forget: She just took the job out of necessity after Hiruzen died. Therefore it is not sexist. It is just Tsunade wanting to be happy and wanting her loved ones to be alive and happy.

7. Tenten's dream was just stupid (as you said).
 

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1. How is Hinata being submissive by leaning on Naruto's shoulder? Have you ever heard of cuddling? Also, it's not like Naruto forced her to do that. Remember, this was Hinata's dream (not Naruto's).

2. With Choji's dream: Once again, how was that girl being submissive just by liking Choji? Since when is touching someone's shoulder submissive? To be submissive means to give in to someone's demands or desires. Choji didn't demand anything of her. He was just eating.

3. Ino: How can Ino control whether or not Sasuke and Sai fight over her? Besides, that is not sexist. Ino was already vain, shallow and obsessed with boys before, so this dream is nothing new for her personality. As for the blushing,, that is just her being flattered that the guys like her. Since when is being flattered sexist? Guys can be flattered too. I'd feel a little complimented too if two girls fought over me (even though I probably wouldn't go out with either of them).

4. Lee's dream: Sakura was always shallow as well. She chooses her mates based on looks and how good of a ninjas they are. Nothing more.

5. Mei's dream: Mei was already overly obsessed with marriage before (to the point of making death threats to people who said stuff that sounded nothing like the word marriage). Therefore this dream is not sexist and it in no way reflects on all women. It just goes along with the fact that Mei had marriage based psychological problems.

6. Tsunade simply loved Dan (who she knew wanted to be hokage). Technically, Tsunade never wanted to be hokage. Let's not forget: She just took the job out of necessity after Hiruzen died. Therefore it is not sexist. It is just Tsunade wanting to be happy and wanting her loved ones to be alive and happy.

7. Tenten's dream was just stupid (as you said).
 

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I know this is old news, but by glancing at the dreams of all of the females, Kishimoto portrayed them in a sexist way.
Oh no! A butthurt, hypocritical feminist judging Kishimoto's portrayal of women when the op believes women should be portrayed his way and not in their own way. Even funnier is how you failed to notice that three of the guys also had romantic dreams.

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Hinata is obsessing over Naruto and playing the submissive role in their relationship.
Hinata has always had a crush on Naruto from the very beginning. Being that Naruto has never noticed that, in this dream he is the submissive one. I also love how you left out the part where Neji was alive and Hanabi was acknowledging her simply because they had nothing to do with your little sexist hissy fit, even though they were aspects of the dream as well.

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Ino stands there blushing whole two boys fight over her
Ino has always had a crush on Sasuke and the dream reveals she may have a thing for Sai. Again, she is not being submissive. They are fighting over her.

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Mei's goal in life is to be married. The idea that all women want is to be married is an old fashioned and sexist concept.
Mei clearly had a falling out with her fiance as foreshadowed when she was introduced and nothing in her dream states all women should be married. Stop generalizing bullshit.

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Tsunade fawns over Dan who is Hokage instead of her.
It was Dan's dream to become Hokage, not Tsunade's and he was her boyfriend who died. And again you leave out other aspects such as Orochimaru still being good and Jiraiya and Nawaki alive.

Tenten is the only not sexist dream, but her dream was pretty stupid anyway.
Actually, I believe hers was the only genuinely sexist one. instead of being themselves, carefree, goofy and accentric, she wanted them to be vain "gentlemen."
 
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naruto dream would be marrying sakura
lee's dream was sakura falling in love with him
jiraiyas dream would be marrying tsunade

i dont see whats there to complain
 

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1. How is Hinata being submissive by leaning on Naruto's shoulder? Have you ever heard of cuddling? Also, it's not like Naruto forced her to do that. Remember, this was Hinata's dream (not Naruto's).

2. With Choji's dream: Once again, how was that girl being submissive just by liking Choji? Since when is touching someone's shoulder submissive? To be submissive means to give in to someone's demands or desires. Choji didn't demand anything of her. He was just eating.

3. Ino: How can Ino control whether or not Sasuke and Sai fight over her? Besides, that is not sexist. Ino was already vain, shallow and obsessed with boys before, so this dream is nothing new for her personality. As for the blushing,, that is just her being flattered that the guys like her. Since when is being flattered sexist? Guys can be flattered too. I'd feel a little complimented too if two girls fought over me (even though I probably wouldn't go out with either of them).

4. Lee's dream: Sakura was always shallow as well. She chooses her mates based on looks and how good of a ninjas they are. Nothing more.

5. Mei's dream: Mei was already overly obsessed with marriage before (to the point of making death threats to people who said stuff that sounded nothing like the word marriage). Therefore this dream is not sexist and it in no way reflects on all women. It just goes along with the fact that Mei had marriage based psychological problems.

6. Tsunade simply loved Dan (who she knew wanted to be hokage). Technically, Tsunade never wanted to be hokage. Let's not forget: She just took the job out of necessity after Hiruzen died. Therefore it is not sexist. It is just Tsunade wanting to be happy and wanting her loved ones to be alive and happy.

7. Tenten's dream was just stupid (as you said).
Individually, all of your points are correct. However, once we put all of these dreams together, a pattern emerges of women obsessing over men.
 

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Once again, the girls were obsessing over the boys, while the boys were being obsessed over by girls. See the pattern here?
You forget that it is the individual's desires that are manifested in their dreams ..... Ino wants to be fawned upon and so her dream is such ...... and you expect something else from virgin teenagers no matter their career?
 

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Individually, all of your points are correct. However, once we put all of these dreams together, a pattern emerges of women obsessing over men.
So? Naruto and Lee obsess over Sakura, Chouji clearly wants a girlfriend and Shikamaru wants to be with Temari. Is there an actual point to this thread or were you just bored?
 

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So many "Kishi is bad with female characters" comments...
Ugh.
OT: Even tho, Kishi usually tends to portray male characters as dominant ones in Naruto, like the most of other Shōnen Mangaka do, with those particular scans I don't really see the signs of him being sexist. If anything, recently, even that previously created stereotype of him portraying female characters to be weak physically and mentally, is crumbling with Kaguya taking the spotlight as the strongest mastermind.
Let's keep in mind, that Kishi is constrained with the genre of Shōnen, where almost every time, males are the ones who tend to be dominant.
In Mario, the Seinen one-shot of his, he created a strong, independent main female with unique characteristics, who I found to be a pretty well-written female character.
 

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Oh no! A butthurt, hypocritical feminist judging Kishimoto's portrayal of women when the op believes women should be portrayed his way and not in their own way. Even funnier is how you failed to notice that three of the guys also had romantic dreams.
Read my previous comments. It has nothing to do with romance at all.



Hinata has always had a crush on Naruto from the very beginning. Being that Naruto has never noticed that, in this dream he is the submissive one. I also love how you left out the part where Neji was alive and Hanabi was acknowledging her simply because they had nothing to do with your little sexist hissy fit, even though they were aspects of the dream as well.
I didn't leave that out. In fact I made an entire thread about Hanabi. In this thread my purpose wasn't to talk about every single aspect of the dreams.



Ino has always had a crush on Sasuke and the dream reveals she may have a thing for Sai. Again, she is not being submissive. They are fighting over her.
They are Fighting, hence doing something, while Ino stands there blushing. That is sexist.


Mei clearly had a falling out with her fiance as foreshadowed when she was introduced and nothing in her dream states all women should be married. Stop generalizing bullshit.
If all Mei cares about is beng maried, even more so than her being Mizukage, that is sexist. She doesn't even want to be married to a specific person. She just wants to be married.



It was Dan's dream to become Hokage, not Tsunade's and he was her boyfriend who died. And again you leave out other aspects such as Orochimaru still being good and Jiraiya and Nawaki alive.
Once again, I wasn't trying to analyze every aspect of the dreams. And Now that Tsunade is Hokage, I don't see why she should be so happy to hand it over to her boyfriend.


Actually, I believe hers was the only genuinely sexist one. instead of being themselves, carefree, goofy and accentric, she wanted them to be vain "gentlemen.
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Yes, if you wanted to say Tenten's dream is sexist, I would not disagree.
 
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So? Naruto and Lee obsess over Sakura, Chouji clearly wants a girlfriend and Shikamaru wants to be with Temari. Is there an actual point to this thread or were you just bored?
That is true, but as he said it was a pattern throughout the series, and the dreams are the conclusion. Choji and Shikamaru never really showed these desires before, and Lee's love for Sakura was sort of left in Part I before that. On the other hand we get the Naruto-centered Hinata and Ino who thinks of Sasuke as her father is about to die despite no real development between them besides the one-sided kid crush.

An yeah, Kishi is not the worst out there and I don't mind it all that much but I'd rather see female characters with more diverse characterizations.
 

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I guess you just decided to forget Kaguya?
What about Kaguya? If you are saying that she's powerful, yes that is true. I was talking about patterns in his females not every character. As of now, Kaguya was not portrayed in a sexist way.
So? Naruto and Lee obsess over Sakura, Chouji clearly wants a girlfriend and Shikamaru wants to be with Temari. Is there an actual point to this thread or were you just bored?
Once again, it's not about whether the boy or girl likes someone, it's the general pattern of the girls only caring about boys in a submissive way. ANd no, SHikamaru does NOT want to be with Temari. Kishimoto said that himself in an interview.
 
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