[Spoilers] Kishi has done a bad job explaining Tobi flashbacks.

[ThtOneGuy]

Some of these reasons might possibly be explained but since the flashbacks are over it's now highly unlikely we will ever know. He constantly explains it in a way where the reader must assume how obito did this and that. It is really disspointing IMO since I was looking forward to it.I'm not trying to claim some plothole or error. Im just expressing my thoughts in the way Kishi has been explaining obito's flashbacks and filling up the gaps in the whole Tobi=Obito thing. I'm not saying its bad im disspointed of Kishi's of explaining.

First, he never explained how Madara gave Nagato the rinnegan. He hinted it once but never explained HOW he did it. We clearly saw nagato activate the rinnegan, are we supposed to assume Madara can stop time or just walked up casually and gave him eye surgery while his parents were murdered? Or are we supposed to assume he gave him surgery when he was a baby and implanted it so he had to activate it. And it just so happened Nagato's parents didnt notice his bleeding eyes after the surgery or how it was wrapped up. Thats a huge lack of explaining on Kishi's part. How does he expect for people to be okay with the most hated decision if he doesnt even explain it throughly.

Secondly, he never even mentioned the whole bloody mist thing. Another thing the reader just has to guess and assume.

Thirdly, he never showed how obito knew where kushina gave birth, just when, ANOTHER thing the reader has to just assume.

Fourthly, he never showed how Obito learned to control Kurama. ANOTHER thing we have to guess.

Fifthly, he never explained why kakashi killed rin. Yet again we can only assume.

Lastly, he never explained why obito's sharingan never gets blind after use.


I'm open to critisim and correct if I'm wrong.
I still like the series but I'm dissapointed in the rushed and assumption based way hes been explaining it. I actually had more but I forgot them so if I remember them again I'll edit the post.

 

[narutorikudoumode]

i pretty sure during kakashi vs obito fight kakashi will explain what happened during rins death and obito will answe kakashi question but i believe both of them will die i guess i was the only one who felt sad about obito story

 

[Katkot]

He had to explain it whenver we like or not

 

[ThtOneGuy]

I can only hope he will.

 

[TheWillofFire]

Kishi is doing this on purpose, wanting suspense, it will all explain itself out

how he gave Nagato Rinnegan, yes we all want to know that, and how exactly did Madara have one eye? who knows, there are still so many mysterious, but don't worry even though the Flashback is over, there could always be more flashbacks

 

[Sasuke..]

He had Nagato under genjutsu and implanted it in him..

 

[rollin]

i hope it's not over yet
i want to see how he controlled yagura

 

[ThtOneGuy]

He had Nagato under genjutsu and implanted it in him..

Nice little theory, but he still never confirmed anything about it.

 

[Floydical]

Spoiler

Some of these reasons might possibly be explained but since the flashbacks are over it's now highly unlikely we will ever know. He constantly explains it in a way where the reader must assume how obito did this and that. It is really disspointing IMO since I was looking forward to it.I'm not trying to claim some plothole or error. Im just expressing my thoughts in the way Kishi has been explaining obito's flashbacks and filling up the gaps in the whole Tobi=Obito thing. I'm not saying its bad im disspointed of Kishi's of explaining.

First, he never explained how Madara gave Nagato the rinnegan. He hinted it once but never explained HOW he did it. We clearly saw nagato activate the rinnegan, are we supposed to assume Madara can stop time or just walked up casually and gave him eye surgery while his parents were murdered? Or are we supposed to assume he gave him surgery when he was a baby and implanted it so he had to activate it. And it just so happened Nagato's parents didnt notice his bleeding eyes after the surgery or how it was wrapped up. Thats a huge lack of explaining on Kishi's part. How does he expect for people to be okay with the most hated decision if he doesnt even explain it throughly.

Secondly, he never even mentioned the whole bloody mist thing. Another thing the reader just has to guess and assume.

Thirdly, he never showed how obito knew where kushina gave birth, just when, ANOTHER thing the reader has to just assume.

Fourthly, he never showed how Obito learned to control Kurama. ANOTHER thing we have to guess.

Fifthly, he never explained why kakashi killed rin. Yet again we can only assume.

Lastly, he never explained why obito's sharingan never gets blind after use.


I'm open to critisim and correct if I'm wrong.
I still like the series but I'm dissapointed in the rushed and assumption based way hes been explaining it. I actually had more but I forgot them so if I remember them again I'll edit the post.

1. Giving Nagato the Rinnegan. Its assumed he did it surgically and managed it without having to wrap his eyes, genjutsu involved obviously. At that point, the eyes likely deactivated due to Nagato's lack of chakra. That would explain he his parents never saw them. Later on, he gained the stamina to utilize it and re-awakened it with trauma.

2. Don't get ahead of yourself, I never expected Kishi to get to the Bloody Mist debacle this early on. Give it time my friend.

3. Zetsu. Plain and simple. At that point, Obito was using all resources available to him. Just having space time would be reason enough, but Zetsu makes it very possible.

4. This is a little more unclear, but we know Madara taught him a lot. Remember the 3 jutsu he talked to him about and the sage of the sixths path stuff and everything? He could easily have trained him up that time to consider using Kurama as his weapon.

5. This is a huge fail. Obviously as soon as Obito brings up the question, "So why did you kill Rin anyway Kakashi"? Kakashi will answer it. Clearly only Kakashi and maybe a few others knew the real reason, so we are going to hear it from Kakashi's mouth directly, be patient.

6. OMG stop here. You really expect this to be explained too? Obviously there are differences between his MS and others, please also give this time to be explained.

So many people complaining....................................

 

[aimop95]

Some of these reasons might possibly be explained but since the flashbacks are over it's now highly unlikely we will ever know. He constantly explains it in a way where the reader must assume how obito did this and that. It is really disspointing IMO since I was looking forward to it.I'm not trying to claim some plothole or error. Im just expressing my thoughts in the way Kishi has been explaining obito's flashbacks and filling up the gaps in the whole Tobi=Obito thing. I'm not saying its bad im disspointed of Kishi's of explaining.

First, he never explained how Madara gave Nagato the rinnegan. He hinted it once but never explained HOW he did it. We clearly saw nagato activate the rinnegan, are we supposed to assume Madara can stop time or just walked up casually and gave him eye surgery while his parents were murdered? Or are we supposed to assume he gave him surgery when he was a baby and implanted it so he had to activate it. And it just so happened Nagato's parents didnt notice his bleeding eyes after the surgery or how it was wrapped up. Thats a huge lack of explaining on Kishi's part. How does he expect for people to be okay with the most hated decision if he doesnt even explain it throughly.

Secondly, he never even mentioned the whole bloody mist thing. Another thing the reader just has to guess and assume.

Thirdly, he never showed how obito knew where kushina gave birth, just when, ANOTHER thing the reader has to just assume.

Fourthly, he never showed how Obito learned to control Kurama. ANOTHER thing we have to guess.

Fifthly, he never explained why kakashi killed rin. Yet again we can only assume.

Lastly, he never explained why obito's sharingan never gets blind after use.


I'm open to critisim and correct if I'm wrong.
I still like the series but I'm dissapointed in the rushed and assumption based way hes been explaining it. I actually had more but I forgot them so if I remember them again I'll edit the post.

1. Probably will never be explained...
2. That will be explained, most likely during the fight Obito has with Kakashi
3. Obito can phase through walls...and he is a ninja after all...but most likely won't be "explained in great detail" either.
4. He did, Madara said he would teach obito the jutsu in the last chapter.
5. That will be explained in the upcoming chapters.
6. 1st hokage's cells, and Obito's phase act doesn't require the mangekeyo or whatever it's called.

 

[Sasuke..]

Nice little theory, but he still never confirmed anything about it.

He did but i'm tired not gonna go through the flashbacks to prove you.

 

[ThtOneGuy]

1. Giving Nagato the Rinnegan. Its assumed he did it surgically and managed it without having to wrap his eyes, genjutsu involved obviously. At that point, the eyes likely deactivated due to Nagato's lack of chakra. That would explain he his parents never saw them. Later on, he gained the stamina to utilize it and re-awakened it with trauma.

2. Don't get ahead of yourself, I never expected Kishi to get to the Bloody Mist debacle this early on. Give it time my friend.

3. Zetsu. Plain and simple. At that point, Obito was using all resources available to him. Just having space time would be reason enough, but Zetsu makes it very possible.

4. This is a little more unclear, but we know Madara taught him a lot. Remember the 3 jutsu he talked to him about and the sage of the sixths path stuff and everything? He could easily have trained him up that time to consider using Kurama as his weapon.

5. This is a huge fail. Obviously as soon as Obito brings up the question, "So why did you kill Rin anyway Kakashi"? Kakashi will answer it. Clearly only Kakashi and maybe a few others knew the real reason, so we are going to hear it from Kakashi's mouth directly, be patient.

6. OMG stop here. You really expect this to be explained too? Obviously there are differences between his MS and others, please also give this time to be explained.

So many people complaining....................................

Well damn i said some might get explained. Lol. Anyway this cleared some things up for me.

1. Probably will never be explained...
2. That will be explained, most likely during the fight Obito has with Kakashi
3. Obito can phase through walls...and he is a ninja after all...but most likely won't be "explained in great detail" either.
4. He did, Madara said he would teach obito the jutsu in the last chapter.
5. That will be explained in the upcoming chapters.
6. 1st hokage's cells, and Obito's phase act doesn't require the mangekeyo or whatever it's called.

Kamui does require the MS. Though thanks anyway.

He did but i'm tired not gonna go through the flashbacks to prove you.

Well if your not gonna prove me it whats the point?

 

[Rasnall]

It's called being patient. He isn't going to tell you everything...then why would you need to read it?

 

[JCW]

simple, naruto clashes fist with obito one time, understands it all

true ninjas know what going on with one good hit

 

[Uchiha Samater]

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[ChelsLV]

He had Nagato under genjutsu and implanted it in him..

So the genjustu lasted through that period, when he was transplanting his eyes? Pretty sure that's impossible even in the Naruto universe.

 

[UzumakiZoey]

I'm not satisfied with the flashbacks either.

 

[Chatte]

I'm not satisfied with the whole Tobi thing either...

 

[Simple Math]

what if we actually get answer on some questions later on?

 

[KiraGirl K]

Though some explanations may follow I must agree, that Kishi did a bad job with Obito.

The dramaturgy of Kishi telling the Obito story didn’t simply work out. :shrug:

Regardless from liking Obito being Tobi or not,
seeing “plot holes” or not
when Tobi was revealed as Obito saying: “Because you let Rin die” and Madara showed up it became very, very obvious that because of Rins death and Madaras influence Obito turned evil.

>Or does anybody say there have been many other possibilities and theories at that time? Please teach me if I’m wrong

So Kishi used about 5 chapters in order to explain a process to us which was not very twisted and from which the result was already announced before pretty clearly.

Therefore flashback chapters had to become boring for many people as everybody already had imagined a scenario like this and especially as everybody already had known the end result in advance.

>Remember last weeks chap when almost all theories at NB were proven to be right? xd

But what I dont understand is:

When during the flashbacks finally the interesting questions came up
-or lets say -the questions which have no obvious answers” like
“Why did Kakashi kill Rin?”
“How was Akatsuki exactly founded, the members recruited?
“Connection to Yagura?”
… and many more
>>>>
Kishi went suddenly back to the present!!! :T_T::T_T:

That wasn't well thought over by Kishi or just mean ! xd

However now its over and somehow I don’t care anymore.