[Spoilers] Kishi has done a bad job explaining Tobi flashbacks.

[thegame]

Well I agree somehow, but I am glad he rushed, I don't really care about much of it any longer, and he has to leave something for making theories.. But it would have been better if he used some more time on explaining facts instead of showing obito training his senju body just to smash it on a stone for then to waste time showing him destroying 50 mist anbu who were just utter fodder shinobi after all..

But it probably just proves that the manga is running towards its end, when you can't maintain a high level in the story line anymore, at some point you need to think about ending it.. Just like Bleach lol, though I surely hope kishi will end it in a better way

 

[th1s1guysays]

he also never explained why he doesnt use his original zetsu costume, IMO it seems the most strongest. What happened to him?

Why did he wear the flame mask?

Why did he switch from flame mask to a swirl mask?

How did he train up his powers so fast?

How did he know so much about Madara Uchiha when he didnt even give that much detail?

 

[The Injustice]

I realized kakashi had spilled a lot of information to obito while talking to rins grave. does anyone else seen this panel the way I do? lol

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[Draxus]

It's never been clearly shown that Nagato awakened the rennigan. If you look carefully you never see his eyes until he uses them. Madara probably implanted the same night his parents were killed.

the rest of the stuff you mention is minutia. He only has so many pages to work with, why does he need to hold your hand through everything? Why not leave some stuff up for interpretation or discussion?

 

[TobiOrNotTobi]

I'm being honest i always liked the idea of Obito being Tobi (Yet i also had my good theory on him being Izuna) and once he got revealed as him i was pretty happy.

Well... i'm starting to hate that

Kishimoto had the perfect opportunity to lay down every single detail about Obito in these flashbacks, i'm not a fan of them but i'd be pleased if he did reveal them.

- Why was he attacking Konoha?
- What was the deal with the Mist Mizukage?
- His part on the Uchiha Massacre?
- What happend to the Spiral Zetsu?
- Why the Tribal Mask first and not his Spiral Mask instead?
- The whole thing with Kisame
- His hairstyles (I don't buy it that he just simply cut it everytime)
- Anime related: How come that a 15-16 year old kid sound like a 68 year old man? Voice No Jutsu = "THAT" Jutsu?
I wonder how they gonna pull that off once the anime reaches Obitos Flashbacks.

There are many more things that are still left in the dark about him and that should be adressed, YES we the readers can make assumtions but assumtions are NOT answers. The writer has to give us answers not the readers themselfs.

This manga was once about being this underdog with a dream regardless what came in the way now it's just all about Free PowerUps and Senju DNA.

The ONLY reason why Kishimoto did it this way could be because Obito WILL turn good again and i mean completely. So he could explain himself.

 

[Mysterytee]

Fourthly, he never showed how Obito learned to control Kurama. ANOTHER thing we have to guess.

These events occurred 16 years before the main storyline also known as the end of the third war. obito died during the third war and at the time obito was only 13. "The masked man" (as referred to in the series) looked like he was an adult and he could control Kurama becuase wasn't actually obito.
I think "The Masked Man" is Madara Uchiha.

 

[Xentinel]

Yeah .. it is really rushing ..

But to be honest, Obito should have killed kakashi and everything will be over. Doesnt make any sense .. to do so much just for the death of the girl he love. >.>

 

[Mysterytee]

Tsukuyomi

It's the most powerful genjutsu unique to the uchiha clan and this was most likely used because it can't be easily broken by minor things like pain.

 

[Kellyable]

Ugh... deja vu. Just wait till Kishi has explained everything than judge his writing. There are so many missing pieces to the story that there is no way he'll leave it as it is.

 

[KevinPJH]

First, he never explained how Madara gave Nagato the rinnegan. He hinted it once but never explained HOW he did it. We clearly saw nagato activate the rinnegan, are we supposed to assume Madara can stop time or just walked up casually and gave him eye surgery while his parents were murdered? Or are we supposed to assume he gave him surgery when he was a baby and implanted it so he had to activate it. And it just so happened Nagato's parents didnt notice his bleeding eyes after the surgery or how it was wrapped up. Thats a huge lack of explaining on Kishi's part. How does he expect for people to be okay with the most hated decision if he doesnt even explain it throughly.

This is true, we have not yet seen how Madara gave his Rinnegan to Nagato, but that might be because like you said, we are supposed to assume. Or Kishi might not see it as important as you, he might think "Telling them that Madara gave Nagato the Rinnegan is enough" also, we may have been over talking about it, therefore, making us think it is a big deal, but Kishi does not read these forums (At least i doubt it).

Secondly, he never even mentioned the whole bloody mist thing. Another thing the reader just has to guess and assume.

This can still be explained, or it can be assumed that Obito done it solely for revenge against The Mist Village for what they caused to happen to Rin and Kakashi.

Thirdly, he never showed how obito knew where kushina gave birth, just when, ANOTHER thing the reader has to just assume.

Probably will never be explained. Could say Zetsu found them.

Fourthly, he never showed how Obito learned to control Kurama. ANOTHER thing we have to guess.

This, i would like to know. Can only assume Madara taught him.

Fifthly, he never explained why kakashi killed rin. Yet again we can only assume.

This will probably be explained by Kakashi in the coming Chap

Lastly, he never explained why obito's sharingan never gets blind after use.

Might not be explained. Can be assumed that Hashi DNA helps.

 

[Armathyx]

Some of these reasons might possibly be explained but since the flashbacks are over it's now highly unlikely we will ever know. He constantly explains it in a way where the reader must assume how obito did this and that. It is really disspointing IMO since I was looking forward to it.I'm not trying to claim some plothole or error. Im just expressing my thoughts in the way Kishi has been explaining obito's flashbacks and filling up the gaps in the whole Tobi=Obito thing. I'm not saying its bad im disspointed of Kishi's of explaining.

First, he never explained how Madara gave Nagato the rinnegan. He hinted it once but never explained HOW he did it. We clearly saw nagato activate the rinnegan, are we supposed to assume Madara can stop time or just walked up casually and gave him eye surgery while his parents were murdered? Or are we supposed to assume he gave him surgery when he was a baby and implanted it so he had to activate it. And it just so happened Nagato's parents didnt notice his bleeding eyes after the surgery or how it was wrapped up. Thats a huge lack of explaining on Kishi's part. How does he expect for people to be okay with the most hated decision if he doesnt even explain it throughly.

Secondly, he never even mentioned the whole bloody mist thing. Another thing the reader just has to guess and assume.

Thirdly, he never showed how obito knew where kushina gave birth, just when, ANOTHER thing the reader has to just assume.

Fourthly, he never showed how Obito learned to control Kurama. ANOTHER thing we have to guess.

Fifthly, he never explained why kakashi killed rin. Yet again we can only assume.

Lastly, he never explained why obito's sharingan never gets blind after use.


I'm open to critisim and correct if I'm wrong.
I still like the series but I'm dissapointed in the rushed and assumption based way hes been explaining it. I actually had more but I forgot them so if I remember them again I'll edit the post.

Shut up and enjoy the manga, you can't know absolutely everything in a series. I'm very glad all these flashbacks are over with.

 

[KidGamer65]

Some of these reasons might possibly be explained but since the flashbacks are over it's now highly unlikely we will ever know. He constantly explains it in a way where the reader must assume how obito did this and that. It is really disspointing IMO since I was looking forward to it.I'm not trying to claim some plothole or error. Im just expressing my thoughts in the way Kishi has been explaining obito's flashbacks and filling up the gaps in the whole Tobi=Obito thing. I'm not saying its bad im disspointed of Kishi's of explaining.

First, he never explained how Madara gave Nagato the rinnegan. He hinted it once but never explained HOW he did it. We clearly saw nagato activate the rinnegan, are we supposed to assume Madara can stop time or just walked up casually and gave him eye surgery while his parents were murdered? Or are we supposed to assume he gave him surgery when he was a baby and implanted it so he had to activate it. And it just so happened Nagato's parents didnt notice his bleeding eyes after the surgery or how it was wrapped up. Thats a huge lack of explaining on Kishi's part. How does he expect for people to be okay with the most hated decision if he doesnt even explain it throughly.

Secondly, he never even mentioned the whole bloody mist thing. Another thing the reader just has to guess and assume.

Thirdly, he never showed how obito knew where kushina gave birth, just when, ANOTHER thing the reader has to just assume.

Fourthly, he never showed how Obito learned to control Kurama. ANOTHER thing we have to guess.

Fifthly, he never explained why kakashi killed rin. Yet again we can only assume.

Lastly, he never explained why obito's sharingan never gets blind after use.


I'm open to critisim and correct if I'm wrong.
I still like the series but I'm dissapointed in the rushed and assumption based way hes been explaining it. I actually had more but I forgot them so if I remember them again I'll edit the post.

1. The Flashback isn't mean't to explain that, it goes on what Obito remembers not what Madara did and since Madara didn't tell Obito exactly how he gave Nagato the Rinnegan then it can't be explained in his flashback.

2. The Flashback isn't meant for this either since it's about why Obito didn't return to the leaf village and why he joined with Madara.

3. This isn't even that important...

4. He learned from Madara, this should be obvious so we don't need to guess.

5. Flashback wasn't for this either, its for what Obito remembers and Obito doesn't know why Kakashi killed Rin.

6. That has nothing to do with the purpose of the flashback, and during the Flashback Obito had only had MS for a short time.

 

[AlphaSeed]

"Thirdly, he never showed how obito knew where kushina gave birth, just when, ANOTHER thing the reader has to just assume."

i tend to think Tobi saw everything through Kakashi's eye that belonged to him, he should know all kakashi does

 

[Xaviour]

I think he did a great job. He got a lot of material and emotion into so few chapters at the same time as getting the majority of people to see Obito as a legit villain.