konan is just as useless as yahiko, tell me what she adds to the story...nagato was the onlY one truly important to the story, kishi gave konan a role because she was nagato's partner
sakura hasnt had a descent developmen since the sasori fight until now, the war arc
every since tsunade became hokage, she hasnt had development until now, the war arc
hinata is only used so far MAINLY for romance, and this only happened twice in 150 chapters
ino is good with her teammate, i said that in the op, but she doesnt really do anything by herself...shikamaru fought hidan and choji is one of the strongest k11 members...what can ino do by herself??
Then, dude.. You don't get it. It's that's simple..
You're confusion character development, with strenght and growth. There is a BIG difference.
Everything you complain about, is about their moment in between battles, the exact moments where character development mostly takes place.
Name a woman who could beat Anderson Silva in real life? Maybe Brock Lesnar?
That's why girls are weak in the manga, to reflect real life.
I mean that one Sakura fanboy is always talking about how Sakura represents the "human side" of Naruto... she reflects the human side of women in strength as well.
Please dude protecting tsunadi from who? She was in safe zone
She don't know what is happening? Hinata also didn't Hinata was able to dodge and stop a bijuu attack Sakura was hiding behind kakashi how about that? Useless fanboy
Not at all inaccurate. Mitt Romney is well-known to flip flop, and I think you completely misunderstood my point. It is precisely these statements that makes me say that. In these remarks a random character may state "so-and-so is an incredibly strong kunoichi", to which then Kishimoto turns around to suddenly show that in their accomplishments, they are, ultimately, overshadowed by men in general.
Talk is pretty, but actions are the only things that matter.
I know Mitt flip-flops, that part of the joke was lame. Kishi flip-flopping on women's equality in story is not accurate.
Yes, she got overshadowed, but you also fail to mention the timewhen she was clearly stronger than her fomer teammates, Jiraiya and Orochimaru, the latter of who she sent flying with a single punch to the jaw, and the time when she got overpowered along with her male allies.
Mei has extreme skill in ninjutsu despite her young age. In the narutoverse this is rarely possible, and obviously it shows that she developed ninjutsu over developing other things. So Kishi makes no mistake. Mei is the perfect proof of why a master with a shurinken beats a novice with a sword. She got the skills, but little experience, and thus not good enough for the current type of battles.
tsunade - she just recent got her development against madara but she still useless/weak (compared to male characters)
Rofl she is a medic supporter and is nowhere near being useless. She fights with Onoki and raikage like they were team mates most of their life. You are just looking at the battle abilities, which is an idiotic way to describe any character....
sakura- her last development was sasori....nearly 350 chapters since her last development.....beyond horrible job done by kishimoto
True she wasn't developed much in combat skills.. But again she is a medic. Kishi already said that no "special" role is meant for her. She is probably just gonna turn into someone like Shizune, which is fine.. Besides her role is more about Sasuke, and her feelings etc. have been well shown by Kishi..
hinata - she trained with neji but we still dont know what she is capable of, she got owned in 2 seconds by pain...once again bad development
Yeah, but hinata isn't in the manga to be developed for shinobi skills either. You need to understand the role Kishi gave a character, before you can judge him. If you don't understand the basics, don't comment on it..
temari - gets small developments but she just as useless as k11 girls
anko - she disappears and then pop up every 100 chapters when kabuto/oro appears, shes useless too
konan- she had no development, she hurt obito but only because she had prep time to set up her 600 billion paper bombs, shes just nagato's useless teammate...she adds nothing to the story just the obito fight
kurenai- she got pregnant and disappeared ever since (its obvious why but im just sayin)
ino - she has her mind transfer jutsu but its useless without her teammates helping her, once again another useless female character
ten ten - absolutely no development at all, even in part 1, she was just neji's hype-man lol
Rest are side characters. They have little importance, and I can mention several male characters with just as little development. It's not like he got time to develop each character.... And of course I disagree regarding Ino, Kishi has shown how good she has become with her mind transfer. In fact she is a genius with it, and she doesn't need other skills. Along with shikamaru and choji they make the perfect team...
Wait wait wait wait you're comparing hinata to a guy who slaughtered a 4ucking 2 countires? Konoha and rain?
B1tch please she gave him a punch that made me shit bricks
What did Sakura do? Narutoooo helppppp meeee narruttoooooooooo hellppppp meeeeee I needed hereeeeeeererlllllppp
Whether the "joke" (not a joke) was lame is irrelevant. That, by the way, was during a 2 vs 1 fight in which Orochimaru was handicapped, in the beginning of Shippuuden. You shouldn't nitpick and look at the bigger picture here - bigger picture being females in this manga are rather weak in comparison to the males.
No, I'm not nitpicking, I'm doing the exact opposite, because I'm not reading inequality where it's not written.
The bigger picture is that Tsunade is considered one of the strongest in the serie, and the strongest of the kages.
So are may others like Sakura, Ino, the female Jinchuuriki, Konan, Temari, or Chiyo who was the co-creator of the ninja puppet technique.
The past hosts of the nintails were all female and considered really powerfull, acknowledged by Madara even.
Women have a pretty big role in the story,.. this coming from a guy.
Name a woman who could beat Anderson Silva in real life? Maybe Brock Lesnar?
That's why girls are weak in the manga, to reflect real life.
I mean that one Sakura fanboy is always talking about how Sakura represents the "human side" of Naruto... she reflects the human side of women in strength as well.
Then, dude.. You don't get it. It's that's simple..
You're confusion character development, with strenght and growth. There is a BIG difference.
Everything you complain about, is about their moment in between battles, the exact moments where character development mostly takes place.
I do agree, but so far in the war, she went from being a bodyguard to the Damiyo to fighting Madara on the front lines. That and one of her two KKG aren't very useful outside, which is why her tactics involve "trap & crush"
She was one of the two driving forces that got the 5 kages as far as they did against Madara (with Onoki). Madara even had to be cautious and use a Wood Clone against her. She's taken multiple stabs from more than one Susanoo (which would 95% of the time kill any one person), split in half, and is still attempting to save the other Kages.
Agreed, especially for a main character. But she's not dead yet, so we'll just have to be patient.
Hinata went from the super shy girl too afraid to fight Neji..
to this:
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willing to throw her life for Naruto. She's pretty much had the highest female development.
The sand siblings pretty much fell apart after Gaara became Kazekage. Neither her nor Kankuro were very useful as heroes.
Even if she had prep time, she still should be credited for being one of the closest to taking down Tobi. Naruto had prep time, mastering Sage Mode (and a way to extend it), having Katsuyu giving information on his shoulder, and bringing 3 giant toads against Pain who just destroyed a village. Yahiko was the useless teammate, he was a dead body with a back story.
i know hinata changed but im talking about throughout the entire series hinata's development is horrible like the rest of the female characters, she did that to the juubi but two seconds last her was about to die if neji didnt take the hit for her...see what i mean??? its like kishi uses females characters only for certain situations
She became head of the medic-team, she has a Shukaku-like status in the allied forces, without her the allied-forces never would've had a full understanding of Zetsu. She became Tsunade's right-hand inbetween the Sasori and War arcs. She even gave up her search for Sasuke,.. I see a lot of development.
Kishi doesn't do it because he's sexist, you know. He does it because he's not good with female character development; when he designed Sakura for example, he hadn't the slightest idea what he was doing, he had to ask his editors for help.
Kishi doesn't do it because he's sexist, you know. He does it because he's not good with female character development; when he designed Sakura for example, he hadn't the slightest idea what he was doing, he had to ask his editors for help.
Bold: Physical strength. Overall capabilities? No. Underlined: No. He mentioned Mito only once, and only in relation to how Naruto was from her clan. Otherwise he never acknowledged any abilities she may have had.
You say Tsunade is considered one of the strongest in the series? Again, physical strength is one factor. She's barely top 15 material overall.
And again, all the females you've mentioned pale in comparison to their male counterparts: Naruto, Shikamaru, Killer B and Naruto again as the male Jinchuuriki, Pain, Gaara, you name it. Still haven't disproved my point with this.
Her overall capability? She's the top medical ninja, who invented the three-man cell team with medic, and made it mandatory.
She acuired her strenght from her grandfather, who was the 1st Hokage, so that's not coming out of nowhere.
Madara is considered one of the strongest Ninja who ever lived, he even acknowledged and respected Hashirama.
Hashirama was married to Mito,.. see the connection I'm making?
The thing is, there is nothing to prove, since the claims of inequality of women in the story is only based on personal feeling, instead of facts.
All I'm telling you is that the claim of inequality makes no sense, because they have a large role in the story.
Now, you can name a list of characters, and I can waist my time debunking it, but that would be nitpicking,
because there are more male characters than female characters.
Unless that was your point, the litteral inequality. As in the amount of women compaired to the amount of men,
then your claim is just silly.
Mei has extreme skill in ninjutsu despite her young age. In the narutoverse this is rarely possible, and obviously it shows that she developed ninjutsu over developing other things. So Kishi makes no mistake. Mei is the perfect proof of why a master with a shurinken beats a novice with a sword. She got the skills, but little experience, and thus not good enough for the current type of battles.
Rofl she is a medic supporter and is nowhere near being useless. She fights with Onoki and raikage like they were team mates most of their life. You are just looking at the battle abilities, which is an idiotic way to describe any character....
True she wasn't developed much in combat skills.. But again she is a medic. Kishi already said that no "special" role is meant for her. She is probably just gonna turn into someone like Shizune, which is fine.. Besides her role is more about Sasuke, and her feelings etc. have been well shown by Kishi..
Yeah, but hinata isn't in the manga to be developed for shinobi skills either. You need to understand the role Kishi gave a character, before you can judge him. If you don't understand the basics, don't comment on it..
Rest are side characters. They have little importance, and I can mention several male characters with just as little development. It's not like he got time to develop each character.... And of course I disagree regarding Ino, Kishi has shown how good she has become with her mind transfer. In fact she is a genius with it, and she doesn't need other skills. Along with shikamaru and choji they make the perfect team...
you're confused on what development is. im talking about throughout the entire manga the way kishi developes is horrible
tsunade is a medic and she did perfect against madara but you fail to notice how long it took her to get the development, she hasnt really had development since she became hokage and she adds nothing to the story...if tsunade dies next chapter, the story will not change at all, a new hokage will be chosen and the story will move on like nothing happen
mei isnt that young and kishi mades her jutsu look fodder, i bet if someone like kakashi or minato had lava and boil release, they'll be beast and will be developed better than mei and this is the truth (im not saying truely fodder, im saying weaker than if a male character had the same abilities)
once again, i know sakuira is a medic, im saying sakura needed 350 chapter before her medic skill can truly stands out in this war arc
like i said before, hinata has been showed 3 times in 150 chapters, each time she came close to death and havent showed anything impressive, she is not like sakura she is a fighter not a medic...she changed since part 1 but she's still selfish and talks about naruto all day, everything is about naruto and she doesnt help other people...she breathes naruto and its like shes only used for romance or something
Sakura was made by his own design, he like her look because she was different from other manga girls.
Naruto Vol 01, chapter 02 - last page, word from the author.
She became head of the medic-team, she has a Shukaku-like status in the allied forces, without her the allied-forces never would've had a full understanding of Zetsu. She became Tsunade's right-hand inbetween the Sasori and War arcs. She even gave up her search for Sasuke,.. I see a lot of development.
you're confused on what development is. im talking about throughout the entire manga the way kishi developes is horrible
tsunade is a medic and she did perfect against madara but you fail to notice how long it took her to get the development, she hasnt really had development since she became hokage and she adds nothing to the story...if tsunade dies next chapter, the story will not change at all, a new hokage will be chosen and the story will move on like nothing happen
mei isnt that young and kishi mades her jutsu look fodder, i bet if someone like kakashi or minato had lava and boil release, they'll be beast and will be developed better than mei and this is the truth (im not saying truely fodder, im saying weaker than if a male character had the same abilities)
once again, i know sakuira is a medic, im saying sakura needed 350 chapter before her medic skill can truly stands out in this war arc
like i said before, hinata has been showed 3 times in 150 chapters, each time she came close to death and havent showed anything impressive, she is not like sakura she is a fighter not a medic...she changed since part 1 but she's still selfish and talks about naruto all day, everything is about naruto and she doesnt help other people...she breathes naruto and its like shes only used for romance or something
If Tsunade dies, it will impact on the story, just look at the shitstorm after Neji died.
Also her backstory added a lot to the backstories of Jiraiya and Orochimaru, and even Hashirama.
Mei is a side-character. She's just as important as Oonoki. A kage, that's it.
So,.. Naruto needed 10 years to perfect his rasengan.
Hinata does that, because. she. is. the. love. frikkin'. interrest.
Unless Bulma suddenly becomes princess of Saiya-jins, or Leia a Jedi,.. I don't see a problem with this.
...Yes, and it's the most stupid connection I've yet seen. I guess since Hiruzen was considered the "God of Shinobi", his wife, Biwako, must be the "Goddess of Shinobi", am I right? Get real. Just because a strong male character married to someone doesn't automatically make them an incredibly strong kunoichi. I don't even know where the hell you pulled that "logic" from.
I've already proved that, even if there are more males then females, the females are still incredibly weak in comparison. Like you said yourself, even though Tsunade was stated to be an incredibly strong female, she's still nothing compared to the overpowered males. All I'm saying is, that's kind of a silly thing to do if you really want to show females mean something in terms of combat strength. You've yet to rebuke this :|
In order; -Kage-rank, pretty damn high IMO.
-Madara's ultimate nemisis, who married the the host of the strongest of nine bijuu's? No, nothing respectable about that, certainly from shinobi who have rituals of showing respect to stronger opponents.
-You're either grasping at straws and want to find a form of inequality somehwere in the manga, or you haven't been paying attention the character's backstories.
