kishi fails at developing female characters

[Huang]

thats the part you're confused about

im not saying sakura didnt do anything is the war arc, im saying it took 350 chapters to get the development

You do know that she was still a student under Tsunade and Shizune, right?

 

[Invsblphntm]

Mito Uzumaki had KCM guys.

So she is also Top 20.

 

[shelke]

i didnt know it was against the law for kishi to ask a woman for help if he wanted the proper developments

You can always see the other points I made as well.

Learn your history, before you lecture, dude. Women were some of the most respected and feared amongst ninja.

Fanfiction, or actual history? As women ninjas were only used for poisioning and Ninjas were espionage army, so feared term is such a gross exaggeration on your part. The most famous female ninja is Kaedae during the time of Nonunaga Oda and even she was just an intel ninja and never actually took part in ay extensive war fare. Please, don't make things up.

 

[Huang]

Red: Yes, and? Compared to the other Kage and especially the Hokage before her, she's nothing to be impressed over.

Blue: What's your point? Does this make her a super strong, overpowered female? No, all we know about her is that she sealed the Kyuubi inside of her. We have zero knowledge on her other strengths, capabilities and powers. The fact that you have to go and pick a female character that has only been mentioned a few times in the entire manga to defend your stance just proves my point :/

Bold: And you have yet to rebuke anything I have just stated. What do backstories have to do with ranking and combat capabilities? I wonder who's grasping at straws here

Compaired to the 5 kages, she is the second strongest, Raikage being the strongest because of his lightingspeed and ability to keep up with someone like Minato.
That's pretty damn good, if you ask me.

Actually, 5-second-memory, I mentioned the reasons for Mito's acknoweldgement, because you asked for it, after I said she was acknowledged by Madara.
But yes, it does make her strong, in fact; Being the first known Jinchuuriki of the Kyuubi, is a very important role.
We haven't seen her abilities, but with some common sense you can make a good estimation,.. at least if you followed Naruto.
Also it's pretty much implied, since she was the 9T's host.

Backstories have to do something with character development in women, the subject this thread was about.
Their connection with ranking and combat is that you can make a very accurate estimation of how important, or powerfull this character will be.

Killer Bee's backstory on becoming a host, added to his relation with Naruto (development), and gave some insight on how strong he was. (ranking+combat)

 

[Huang]

You can always see the other points I made as well.



Fanfiction, or actual history? As women ninjas were only used for poisioning and Ninjas were espionage army, so feared term is such a gross exaggeration on your part. The most famous female ninja is Kaedae during the time of Nonunaga Oda and even she was just an intel ninja and never actually took part in ay extensive war fare. Please, don't make things up.

That discrimination of women is the reason is called an exaggeration.
Women were assasins, more than men, they were mostly known for being the ones that usual used the brothels as a cover-up, to lure in their targets, only to kill them when they.."weren't looking."

I won't make up stuff, if you don't ignore certain parts of history.

 

[shelke]

That discrimination of women is the reason is called an exaggeration.
Women were assasins, more than men, they were mostly known for being the ones that usual used the brothels as a cover-up, to lure in their targets, only to kill them when they.."weren't looking."

I won't make up stuff, if you don't ignore certain parts of history that weren't mentioned in Wiki.

Please don't insult my knowledge by saying I gobble up fan-updated non-sense called wikipedia. Ignore what? Women were only used to administer poison and for seduction to gather intel. All of your 'feared female' ninja talk is clearly made up and is non-existent in terms of actual ninja history. Even biologically speaking, women severally lack the physical resilience men are naturally born with, which make them infinitely more suitable for actual combat. Men have higher bone mass, more muscle fibres which result in more bodily flexibility, and thicker skin.

The ninjust skills called the 'methods of the right and left hand black magic skills' were NEVER used by women, nor were they ever proficient in any form of combat. Don't make things up.

 

[thegame]

i agree and disagree

you're confused on what development is. im talking about throughout the entire manga the way kishi developes is horrible

tsunade is a medic and she did perfect against madara but you fail to notice how long it took her to get the development, she hasnt really had development since she became hokage and she adds nothing to the story...if tsunade dies next chapter, the story will not change at all, a new hokage will be chosen and the story will move on like nothing happen

mei isnt that young and kishi mades her jutsu look fodder, i bet if someone like kakashi or minato had lava and boil release, they'll be beast and will be developed better than mei and this is the truth (im not saying truely fodder, im saying weaker than if a male character had the same abilities)

once again, i know sakuira is a medic, im saying sakura needed 350 chapter before her medic skill can truly stands out in this war arc

like i said before, hinata has been showed 3 times in 150 chapters, each time she came close to death and havent showed anything impressive, she is not like sakura she is a fighter not a medic...she changed since part 1 but she's still selfish and talks about naruto all day, everything is about naruto and she doesnt help other people...she breathes naruto and its like shes only used for romance or something

Tsunade had a major role, when Pain attacked Konoha... But it was meant for Naruto. I can agree that it was quite idiotic of Kishi to have tsunade in a coma. Her role in the kage meeting had been a good add-up, but Kishi wanted to develop Sasuke, so he had Danzo get in it. Imo Kishi could have done that in another way though, but w/e

Sasuke had great medic skills, when she saved Kankuro... And she has played a big part afterwards, when sai, and yamato joined the team for missions. Beside of that she has been around most of time.. It's fine Kishi doesn't improve everyone. But I can agre that the improvements for the main characters are much greater than the side characters, but that IMO is because the manga is reaching its end, and Kishi hasn't got time to develop other characters.

Actually the situation is comparable to Bleach at the moment. Naruto is supposed to end in a year or something like that, and Bleach even faster, but the moment the author decides to end his manga, he has a lot of unfinished character development, and in stead of following his original line, where all characters have slight improvements over time, he just improves the main characters to give a great ending with them fighting some new major enemies. There isn't really any problem to this. So I don't think he failed. Their improvements or lack of improvement have no impact on the story line anyway..

 

[Huang]

We'll have to disagree on that, seeing as how I think Onoki could take her, but going into that discussion is going off topic entirely.



Actually, unable to grasp basic English, Madara never acknowledged Mito. To acknowledge someone you actually have to say something along the lines of, "Oh, she specifically was strong". Acknowledging someone related to them doesn't work. What the f*ck are you even talking about here, seriously? Naruto has far surpassed whatever we know of Mito - hell, Killer B has shown more shit in Jinchuuriki form than Mito ever has.

Thanks, spellcheck, I cared about my English, certainly because it's my main language... ''

Unless, you haven't been paying attention to the story, then I get why the Madara's mention, her bijuu, and clan lineage don't add up as being a strong character.
Just because you haven't seen a character's abilities, doesn't mean she's not considered as strong.
In that logic the SO6P is just a regular ninja..

That's cute and all, but that still doesn't address my point of females being far weaker than males. Nice try trying to deviate the argument, though

Then you haven't been reading what I said. The backstories add to a character's importance. This is fact for many females characters as well as men.

Your point is invalid, because the females aren't weaker.
In fact, a lot of the women in the story are even stronger then most of the men!

 

[Huang]

Please don't insult my knowledge by saying I gobble up fan-updated non-sense called wikipedia. Ignore what? Women were only used to administer poison and for seduction to gather intel. All of your 'feared female' ninja talk is clearly made up and is non-existent in terms of actual ninja history. Even biologically speaking, women severally lack the physical resilience men are naturally born with, which make them infinitely more suitable for actual combat. Men have higher bone mass, more muscle fibres which result in more bodily flexibility, and thicker skin.

The ninjust skills called the 'methods of the right and left hand black magic skills' were NEVER used by women, nor were they ever proficient in any form of combat. Don't make things up.

Yes, they were used to poisen, seduce and gather intel,.. what you fail to mention is that they would kill their targets afterwards, usually by cutting their throat while having ***.
Also, nobody is talking about magic,..
Don't ignore facts.

EDIT: I think I can pick at least 10 random women in any city with the biological capability to kill a man.
Male/female biology is based on the average human anatomy.

 

[KingHashirama]

~sigh~. There are always people like you mate.

If it is a all boy manga or based on men. Someone will come say "Hey the author is a sexist for not focusing on the females"... uh no. Its what he resembles to the most.

Incredibly flawed analogy, since SO6P was actually acknowledged as being, well, a God. The only reason Madara mentioned Mito was because Naruto was from her clan. He stated NOTHING of her specifically, nor her abilities. And again, compared to the male Jinchuuriki, she falls short.

What the f*ck? Did you seriously just say that? The strongest woman in Naruto is outplayed by over a dozen men. Have you and I been reading a completely different manga or what? This is coming from me, a woman: Naruto women SUCK in comparison to males. Seriously. This is common sense.

So Oda, and Kubo are the same way? . Tsunade is the strongest Kage right now.

Strongest Naruto women has the capability to do a K.O with just touching you. Strongest Women in Naruto is the Kage who, eve ninjas from other villages look up to.

Mito , Kushina.. weak? uh no.

"Strongest Person" Physically is a Woman. Just cause there are men on the top don't mean women are weak.

Fairytail, Bleach, One piece, DBZ, and many others are written by men, and they tend to focus on men.

Fastest man in our world is a Man.. Does that mean the fastest woman is below men? uh no. Shes faster then most men of the world.

 

[PureSkillz]

Lol @ Ten-Ten being Neji's hypeman. That's a really accurate description.

 

[Arcaneos510X]

I actually agree to a certain extent especially regarding konan, as the only female akatsuki member she could have been a lot stronger

I agree with Y-S.

 

[YellowCat147]

haha it seems that you are very biased against women in the series. hahaha

If anything kishi is the biased one

 

[KingHashirama]

If anything kishi is the biased one

uh no.

 

[Huang]

Incredibly flawed analogy, since SO6P was actually acknowledged as being, well, a God. The only reason Madara mentioned Mito was because Naruto was from her clan. He stated NOTHING of her specifically, nor her abilities. And again, compared to the male Jinchuuriki, she falls short.

Yet, you fail to remember that the Jinchuuriki are viewed as the ultimate weapon of a country.. Sure, I have the flawed analogy.
Compaired to the male jinchuuriki? Now, THAT'S nitpicking. You are intentionally looking for inequality.
I'm going throw the same argument you just gave me; We don't know her abillities, therefore you can't possiblysay she falls short compaired to the males.
Like I said, you can make an estimation of her strenght, this does not make her weaker. She might've even been stronger, who the f*ck know?

What the f*ck? Did you seriously just say that? The strongest woman in Naruto is outplayed by over a dozen men. Have you and I been reading a completely different manga or what? This is coming from me, a woman: Naruto women SUCK in comparison to males. Seriously. This is common sense.

I did; Tsunade, Chiyo, Konan, Mito again, Yugiito, Fuu, the scorch-girl whatshername.. need I go on?
Again, you're not reading, I said; stronger than most men, not all.

 

[shelke]

Yes, they were used to poisen, seduce and gather intel,.. what you fail to mention is that they would kill their targets afterwards, usually by cutting their throat while having ***.
Also, nobody is talking about magic,..
Don't ignore facts.

EDIT: I think I can pick at least 10 random women in any city with the biological capability to kill a man.
Male/female biology is based on the average human anatomy.

Which facts? You were the one who pulled something out of no where in regards to 'most feared ninjas' and the related non-sense. Where is it mentioned that they actually but their throats while having ***? What a cheap, cheap way to kill by the way. So much for awesomeness.

 

[shelke]

P.s: No it's not. Men have higher bone density, thicker skin, and more muscle fiber. These are facts, unlike your made up statements. Men are better suited for combat and physical exertion. Just get over yourself.

 

[KingHashirama]

P.s: No it's not. Men have higher bone density, thicker skin, and more muscle fiber. These are facts, unlike your made up statements. Men are better suited for combat and physical exertion. Just get over yourself.

. Don't know which side your on.. But just to let you know this whole real life biology doesn't apply to Naruto.....

Tsunade is easily the most physically strongest character in Naruto.

 

[Horus]

Kishi doesnt know how to Develop Female characters, I think in an interview, they said that he doesnt really Focus on the women

 

[repulse]

Kishi himself declared that female characters are awkward for him to create and develop. Besides, none of the female characters you listed are useless. Each one adds something to the story, however mundane their abilities may be.

You are making it seem as if they should be OP, when in reality most of those you listed are younger than 18. They still have many years of training left. As for the older female kuniochi, they indeed are powerful in themselves. You are taking away their value by oversimplifying their abilities and importance.