kishi fails at developing female characters

[Aim64C]

Who cares...

Females in Manga deserve shit anyway.

As a male - I have to say that female characters are the highlight of any series.

The problem is that Kishimoto puts women in a role that is supposed to be rather equivocal to men... and then doesn't deliver on their performance (or simply decides to only cover the accomplishments of the males).

This is, partly, Japanese cultural influence. They have a tendency to be rather misogynistic.

 

[Dr Strangelove]

at least the male characters get screen time

Yah, but that is the case with most manga.

 

[Cursed Prince]

Common knowledge.

So?



You're taking it too far

I meant Hokage

Wait wait wait wait you're comparing hinata to a guy who slaughtered a 4ucking 2 countires? Konoha and rain?
B1tch please she gave him a punch that made me shit bricks
What did Sakura do? Narutoooo helppppp meeee narruttoooooooooo hellppppp meeeeee I needed hereeeeeeererlllllppp

Get you're facts straight bro

lol xd Sakura is just useless

 

[NOemotions]

Every character that there is plays their own part in the series.. strenght has nothing to do with it.

 

[Huang]

kishi doesnt give any female characters the proper developments

mei - abilities are OP but kishi makes it look way weaker when its actually powerful jutsu

tsunade - she just recent got her development against madara but she still useless/weak (compared to male characters)

sakura- her last development was sasori....nearly 350 chapters since her last development.....beyond horrible job done by kishimoto

hinata - she trained with neji but we still dont know what she is capable of, she got owned in 2 seconds by pain...once again bad development

temari - gets small developments but she just as useless as k11 girls

anko - she disappears and then pop up every 100 chapters when kabuto/oro appears, shes useless too

konan- she had no development, she hurt obito but only because she had prep time to set up her 600 billion paper bombs, shes just nagato's useless teammate...she adds nothing to the story just the obito fight

kurenai- she got pregnant and disappeared ever since (its obvious why but im just sayin)

ino - she has her mind transfer jutsu but its useless without her teammates helping her, once again another useless female character

ten ten - absolutely no development at all, even in part 1, she was just neji's hype-man lol

Tsunade had a lot of development, the fourth arc in the first series was all about her and her relations with Orochimaru and Jiraiya, followed by her becoming Hokage.

Hinata is the love interst, her development is implied in her involvement and teamwork with Hyuuga elders and Naruto.
Strenght isn't all part of character development, she lost against Pain, don't act suprised when even Kakashi got killed.
However her fight with Pain was ALL character development, because it was the first time in the entire story she had the guts to tell Naruto she was in love with him. If that isn't character development, Idon't know what is.

Ino had a lot of character development, with which I mean her officially being a member of Ino-Shika-Cho.
It's logical this happens simulainiously with her team-mates.

Konan had a gigantic backstory, from her involment with starting Akastuki, to her relation with Yahiko, which was referred to right before she died, after she became good.

Sakura's development didn't end with her fight with Sasori. Thinking that is, simply ignoring what's important to the story, which isn't always a battle.
Her development went from akward nerdy girl, to fighter, to Tsunade's right hand, to being to head-medic of the allied forces.

Character development OVERLOAD!!

The rest are side characters, their development and backstories don't really serve a purpose in the story.
Unless it would, I would happily invite you to post a thread about their male equivalents.

 

[theRPGdude]

haha it seems that you are very biased against women in the series. hahaha

This. Leave it to a fan to determine what Kishimoto wants in a story. Seriously we already know this. No need to beat it over. Seriously.

 

[~Sovereign~]

I think he couldve made them more stronger but he did say he's not good at female characters .

he shouldve have asked for help then

Wait wait wait wait you're comparing hinata to a guy who slaughtered a 4ucking 2 countires? Konoha and rain?
B1tch please she gave him a punch that made me shit bricks
What did Sakura do? Narutoooo helppppp meeee narruttoooooooooo hellppppp meeeeee I needed hereeeeeeererlllllppp

Get you're facts straight bro

sakura was protecting tsunade

sakura healing hinata

sakura didnt know what was going on

how about this then fanboy

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hinata was about to lose to white zetsu

He developed Sasuke chan quite well

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LMAO

Here we go again. The fact of the matter is, the source material called the actual ninjas were men, and this war business is basically a man's world to begin with. The man who is writing the manga is a man, and he lacks breasts and a vagina to think like women. Fair enough?

i didnt know it was against the law for kishi to ask a woman for help if he wanted the proper developments

 

[Kages]

Tsunade should've been stronger. Same with Kurenai. I agree

 

[Huang]

Tsunade should've been stronger. Same with Kurenai. I agree

She splits the earth with her frikkin' finger and goes head-to-head with Madara,.. Jeez, what more do you want??

 

[Amaterasuice]

What's wrong with wanting one girl in the top 10? How does that automatically make you a feminist? And I'm assuming with "feminist" you mean the radical ones :|

Yeah, I meant the radical ones. But I'm just tired of people saying they want top ten female characters.

If Sakura survives, she might get top 15 or if Kishi decides to overdue it, top ten in the end.

But if a female randomly got top ten, then that's just freaking annoying.

The reason there's more stronger guy characters is bcuz of this:

1. There's more guy ninja than Kunoichi.
2. Girls are most of the time better with nursing, chakra control, and medical procesures so they go into that a lot.
3. The average guy is often much stronger than a strong girl, and that's in real life. But that doesn't mean girls can't be close.

 

[Huang]

Here we go again. The fact of the matter is, the source material called the actual ninjas were men, and this war business is basically a man's world to begin with. The man who is writing the manga is a man, and he lacks breasts and a vagina to think like women. Fair enough?

Learn your history, before you lecture, dude. Women were some of the most respected and feared amongst ninja.

 

[Braveknight]

he shouldve have asked for help then



sakura was protecting tsunade

sakura healing hinata

sakura didnt know what was going on

how about this then fanboy

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hinata was about to lose to white zetsu





LMAO



i didnt know it was against the law for kishi to ask a woman for help if he wanted the proper developments

Please dude protecting tsunadi from who? She was in safe zone
She don't know what is happening? Hinata also didn't Hinata was able to dodge and stop a bijuu attack Sakura was hiding behind kakashi how about that? Useless fanboy

 

[Huang]

I'm not saying they should randomly reach top ten now. I'm saying he had plenty of opportunity to make a very strong female character fit for top 10 (Tsunade, Konan) but he dropped the ball. Nothing wrong with complaining about that, no?

Ultimately the reasoning behind it doesn't matter, since Kishimoto f*cked himself over by portraying as if women actually can be on equal standing with men, then screwing it up and reverting to "Oh no, wait, men are still better". He's flip flopping worse than Mitt Romney and it's getting really annoying.

I just slapped my forehead so many times, I can't feel my face,..

 

[~Sovereign~]

Tsunade had a lot of development, the fourth arc in the first series was all about her and her relations with Orochimaru and Jiraiya, followed by her becoming Hokage.

Hinata is the love interst, her development is implied in her involvement and teamwork with Hyuuga elders and Naruto.
Strenght isn't all part of character development, she lost against Pain, don't act suprised when even Kakashi got killed.
However her fight with Pain was ALL character development, because it was the first time in the entire story she had the guts to tell Naruto she was in love with him. If that isn't character development, Idon't know what is.

Ino had a lot of character development, with which I mean her officially being a member of Ino-Shika-Cho.
It's logical this happens simulainiously with her team-mates.

Konan had a gigantic backstory, from her involment with starting Akastuki, to her relation with Yahiko, which was referred to right before she died, after she became good.

Sakura's development didn't end with her fight with Sasori. Thinking that is, simply ignoring what's important to the story, which isn't always a battle.
Her development went from akward nerdy girl, to fighter, to Tsunade's right hand, to being to head-medic of the allied forces.

Character development OVERLOAD!!

The rest are side characters, their development and backstories don't really serve a purpose in the story.
Unless it would, I would happily invite you to post a thread about their male equivalents.

konan is just as useless as yahiko, tell me what she adds to the story...nagato was the onlY one truly important to the story, kishi gave konan a role because she was nagato's partner

sakura hasnt had a descent developmen since the sasori fight until now, the war arc

every since tsunade became hokage, she hasnt had development until now, the war arc

hinata is only used so far MAINLY for romance, and this only happened twice in 150 chapters

ino is good with her teammate, i said that in the op, but she doesnt really do anything by herself...shikamaru fought hidan and choji is one of the strongest k11 members...what can ino do by herself??

This. Leave it to a fan to determine what Kishimoto wants in a story. Seriously we already know this. No need to beat it over. Seriously.

funny how you call me a fan trying to determine what kishimoto wants, if you were smart ya'll know kishimoto did this himself, i didnt determine anything at all

 

[theRPGdude]

Do explain instead of making vague statements.

Kishimoto leaves his story to be interpreted by his fans. Other people may see a substantail growth in female characters. I honestly don't know Kishimoto personally. Lets wait and find out.

 

[Huang]

Do explain instead of making vague statements.

I thought the Mitt Romney flip-flop analogy was pretty lame,.. and inaccurate.
Not one part of the manga implies women to be viewed as less than men.
Some of the most powerfull characters in the manga are women, Like Tsunade, who litterally was named the physicly strongest ninja alive.

 

[muutobirama3rdraikagemizu]

Tsunade>hiruzen that is one feat from what we have seen
Lol
You are right even though konan is my favorite femal character

 

[antenna]

men are stronger than women

 

[Vegeto30294]

kishi doesnt give any female characters the proper developments

I agree, but only to an extent.

mei - abilities are OP but kishi makes it look way weaker when its actually powerful jutsu

I do agree, but so far in the war, she went from being a bodyguard to the Damiyo to fighting Madara on the front lines. That and one of her two KKG aren't very useful outside, which is why her tactics involve "trap & crush"

tsunade - she just recent got her development against madara but she still useless/weak (compared to male characters)

She was one of the two driving forces that got the 5 kages as far as they did against Madara (with Onoki). Madara even had to be cautious and use a Wood Clone against her. She's taken multiple stabs from more than one Susanoo (which would 95% of the time kill any one person), split in half, and is still attempting to save the other Kages.

sakura- her last development was sasori....nearly 350 chapters since her last development.....beyond horrible job done by kishimoto

Agreed, especially for a main character. But she's not dead yet, so we'll just have to be patient.

hinata - she trained with neji but we still dont know what she is capable of, she got owned in 2 seconds by pain...once again bad development

Hinata went from the super shy girl too afraid to fight Neji..

to this:

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then to this:

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willing to throw her life for Naruto. She's pretty much had the highest female development.

temari - gets small developments but she just as useless as k11 girls

The sand siblings pretty much fell apart after Gaara became Kazekage. Neither her nor Kankuro were very useful as heroes.

konan- she had no development, she hurt obito but only because she had prep time to set up her 600 billion paper bombs, shes just nagato's useless teammate...she adds nothing to the story just the obito fight

Even if she had prep time, she still should be credited for being one of the closest to taking down Tobi. Naruto had prep time, mastering Sage Mode (and a way to extend it), having Katsuyu giving information on his shoulder, and bringing 3 giant toads against Pain who just destroyed a village. Yahiko was the useless teammate, he was a dead body with a back story.

kurenai- she got pregnant and disappeared ever since (its obvious why but im just sayin)

Self-explanatory.

Ino & Tenten I agree with.

 

[badoera]

He developed Sasuke chan quite well

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omg hahaha xD