For you to make such a comparison you need to show both Kisame and Madara in a similar situation and Kisame overcoming it whereas Madara doesn't.Never claimed Madara didn't have it, im simply saying Madara's physical edge over people doesn't help him in this particular fight due to Kisame canonically having physical and durability feats >= to Madara. Also the point about Guy was implying that Gai (Who is also one of the stronger fighters in this series) was over powered by Kisame easily until gate 6/7.
There's no such thing as pure katon vs pure water. There's Jyubi sized katon vs normal sized, the collison results in steam. GSBis questionable as it's fearless if I'm being honest. It does have databook hype but since it's untested I'm on the fence.Pure Katon vs Pure water of = Scale means Katon will lose. GSB is just a massacre
You're giving it either way is unreasonable, Maybe if it was Hashirama I can understand it going either way it would be difficult for him to use Mokuton in desert.Genjutsu is the most viable option for Madara but its a matter of how quick Kisame can turn the desert into an ocean (Which he can do VERY FAST). This is why I gave it high difficulty either way.
Desert terrain is hot the advantage goes to Madara.Since its desert terrain and 15m starting distance I say the fight would depend on how fast Kisame can get his terrain (Ocean/Lake) out.
You act as if Madara who even as being blind can over power SM enhanced users can't over power Kisame. Anyway katon evaporates water especially in the desert(heat), oh and Madara wouldn't just stand around while Kisame does his "100 shark bombs."I give Madara the techincal advantage (MS+Fighting experience) but in reference to overall strength I dont see him overpowering Kisame in terms of CQC.
Once Kisame pulls out the massive scale Ocean terrain I dont see Madara winning with these restrictions. Susanoo can tank the 100+ water sharks but its not a submarine.
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