Kisame vs Minato

[blazekev90]

tbh if the fact minato having sm was retconned since he must have trained under ma and pa to learn it don't see why they can't be summoned by himnot to mention Minato is a kage

You're making that correlation of them training Minato. I don't recall the manga making that statement. What I've provided was a scan of Pa having no knowledge of Minato. He wasn't even properly trained. They're obviously not beings you can simply summon, as Jman references having to "call" them.

Believe what you want.

 

[Warlocks]

Minato wins

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Lmao Who said that the spikes weren't solid enough? Who said that the spikes couldn't block Kunai? Clearly not what's being said here.

There's nothing you can bring to the table that'd prove his body is as durable as Samehada. Fusion and merging two things together does not, will not and can not ever result in 100% chance that the thing retains every single property of the two separate items in the form you think it will be. If he can do that he can tank Kunai, otherwise no as I'm seeing no real proof he's as durable as you are saying he is.

-There is no added durability that the Manga shows that lets him take bladed weapons.
-Only the back of his neck is protected by a fin, not the front.
-If he can react to any Hiraishin blitz then being able to tank Kunai is a viable thing to mention, but he can't so it's not.

And Minato will only ever have contact with his body for a split second so chakra drainage isn't even a factor here. Minato would easily tag him, teleport away and then either:

A. Teleport to him and attack with his Kunai.
B. Teleport to him and kill him with Fukasaku's tongue attack. (And there is absolutely no arguing he tanks and survives this)
C. Teleport Gamabunta to him as the latter swings his sword down for an unavoidable strike that will tear Kisame in half.

Or he could teleport a clone to Kisame and have said clone teleport Kisame back to the attack from either B or C. So no, Minato has more than enough ways to take Kisame down here. Whether it's underwater or not.

And if Minato enters Sage Mode and he makes contact with Kisame and Kisame tries to drain it then it's definitely a wrap for him as he'll turn to stone.

The spikes are an extension of Kisame's own body... How do you possibly conclude that the spikes are any harder then Kisamehada's body/skin, when it is exactly just that? You're not making any sense here. Kisame while fused with Samehada inherited Samehada's ability to sense chakra, absorb chakra, and erect spikes out of his body. Your basis (and only argument) is that his durability hasn't been tested, so it's simply not the case. That is flawed logic and ignoring all rational reasoning. The very fact that Kisamehada can erect spikes out of his body is proof that Kisame shares Samehada's

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. This is also accurate with the manga stating that this form has no weaknesses. Inb4 hyperbole, you're stating a Kunai slash kill him... Not a statement to be made, if that was remotely possible.

All that other stuff demands for a much longer discussion. I've debated with Kisame far too much to have the will to proceed on with all that.

 

[NarutoKage2]

You're making that correlation of them training Minato. I don't recall the manga making that statement. What I've provided was a scan of Pa having no knowledge of Minato. He wasn't even properly trained. They're obviously not beings you can simply summon, as Jman references having to "call" them.

Believe what you want.

Not sure if serious or trolling.

Can't post links on my phone just look at ch 430 page 17 and then 18 what 'familiar forms' do u think bunta was referring to ? They even showed minato sillouhette , ofc pa knows about him.

 

[NarutoX28]

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Look at the context.

Jiraiya explicitly relayed information about his student possessing Rikudou eyes, so clearly, there's no way Pa would even mention Minato under these circumstances because he doesn't fit the criteria and furthermore, Minato's dead, so why would Pa even reference him? Aside from that, there are inconsistencies everywhere, but the fact remains that those at Mt. Myobuko undergo Senjutsu training with Fukasaku, so there's absolutely no logical reason for why Pa would've been unaware of Minato's presence unless it was an inconsistency which occurs all the time within manga.

 

[Zexion~]

I never said that Minato gets to Kisame within the dome. I simply said that tagging him bears little to no risk.

That's not a battle form. That's a form he takes when he's hiding inside of the sword. So he can go ahead and do that if he wants, but Minato will easily tag and kill him like that.

And thrown Kunai? Come on. :lol

That was merely a scan that shows he can fuse with Samehada and have its appearance on the external of him as well (aka its durability), I see no reason why that would HAVE to be within Samehada only.

Still the kunai didn't even pierce him :lol

 

[TRE MERCER]

The spikes are an extension of Kisame's own body... How do you possibly conclude that the spikes are any harder then Kisamehada's body/skin, when it is exactly just that? You're not making any sense here. Kisame while fused with Samehada inherited Samehada's ability to sense chakra, absorb chakra, and erect spikes out of his body. Your basis (and only argument) is that his durability hasn't been tested, so it's simply not the case. That is flawed logic and ignoring all rational reasoning. The very fact that Kisamehada can erect spikes out of his body is proof that Kisame shares Samehada's

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. This is also accurate with the manga stating that this form has no weaknesses. Inb4 hyperbole, you're stating a Kunai slash kill him... Not a statement to be made, if that was remotely possible.

All that other stuff demands for a much longer discussion. I've debated with Kisame far too much to have the will to proceed on with all that.

Good post i also posted a scan where you can see Samehada scales directly linked to Kisame skin when he was in the act of non-fusion. Also the burden of proving that he isn't as durable as Samehada should be upon him since he's denying basic logic.

 

[KidGamer65]

The spikes are an extension of Kisame's own body... How do you possibly conclude that the spikes are any harder then Kisamehada's body/skin, when it is exactly just that? You're not making any sense here. Kisame while fused with Samehada inherited Samehada's ability to sense chakra, absorb chakra, and erect spikes out of his body. Your basis (and only argument) is that his durability hasn't been tested, so it's simply not the case. That is flawed logic and ignoring all rational reasoning. The very fact that Kisamehada can erect spikes out of his body is proof that Kisame shares Samehada's

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. This is also accurate with the manga stating that this form has no weaknesses. Inb4 hyperbole, you're stating a Kunai slash kill him... Not a statement to be made, if that was remotely possible.

All that other stuff demands for a much longer discussion. I've debated with Kisame far too much to have the will to proceed on with all that.

That was merely a scan that shows he can fuse with Samehada and have its appearance on the external of him as well (aka its durability), I see no reason why that would HAVE to be within Samehada only.

Still the kunai didn't even pierce him :lol

Ok. I'll agree that he's as durable as his sword.

 

[NarutoX28]

I'm still not entirely convinced.

Protruding blades =/= Samehada Level of Durability at all times. It'd be more akin to Kimimaro's ability where bones emerging from his body are used to resist the force and momentum behind attacks, but his own normal bone masks wouldn't be capable of accomplishing that feat on a similar level unless he were to use Cursed Seal Enhancements.

 

[TRE MERCER]

I'm still not entirely convinced.

Protruding blades =/= Samehada Level of Durability at all times. It'd be more akin to Kimimaro's ability where bones emerging from his body are used to resist the force and momentum behind attacks, but his own normal bone masks wouldn't be capable of accomplishing that feat on a similar level unless he were to use Cursed Seal Enhancements.

Your not convinced because your ignorant now bye.

 

[RedRobin]

Your not convinced because your ignorant now bye.

Lol except he makes a valid point that should be looked at. Not saying anyone is wrong but it makes sense. Where does samehada's durability stem from, the spikes or the actually body of the sword.

When fused the spikes mix into Kisame's skin so most likely the durabulity of the spikes is mixed into his body overall.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Lol except he makes a valid point that should be looked at. Not saying anyone is wrong but it makes sense. Where does samehada's durability stem from, the spikes or the actually body of the sword.

The body of Samehada/the scales. Samehada the blade never uses spikes to counter another blade it scales always gets the job done and we can clearly see the scales on Kisame body

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[RedRobin]

The body of Samehada/the scales. Samehada the blade never uses spikes to counter another blade it scales always gets the job done and we can clearly see the scales on Kisame body

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Sorry I meant spikes as in the scales. We see when Bee hits him and damages samehada that there is a body to the sword which is covered by scales.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Sorry I meant spikes as in the scales. We see when Bee hits him and damages samehada that there is a body to the sword which is covered by scales.

But thats pure speculation that spikes cover the area that's being hit and it's completely wrong since it didn't do that here[

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]. Spikes didn't come out to protect Samehada.

Like i said it was a stupid claim but your even more stupid for actually believing what he said.

 

[RedRobin]

But thats pure speculation that spikes cover the area that's being hit and it's completely wrong since it didn't do that here[

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]. Spikes didn't come out to protect Samehada.

Like i said it was a stupid claim but your even more stupid for actually believing what he said.

Forget the spikes, I meant scales.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Forget the spikes, I meant scales.

The scales are apart of Kisame skin in the scan i post above you can clearly see that.

 

[RedRobin]

The scales are apart of Kisame skin in the scan i post above you can clearly see that.

I agree on them mixing into his skin plus if we look at how Bee's attack never destroyed the scales simply broke them off then Kisame certainly did get a big durability upgrade. Nothing else to argue.

 

[BLAZE]

You're making that correlation of them training Minato. I don't recall the manga making that statement. What I've provided was a scan of Pa having no knowledge of Minato. He wasn't even properly trained. They're obviously not beings you can simply summon, as Jman references having to "call" them.

Believe what you want.

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[makosheva7]

Seems like people have been getting some popular vs thread ideas from the arguments in my gauntlet threads looool

OT: At that distance Minato can blitz Kisame. No debate there. Kisame has shown to be overconfident against enemies that could be a threat to him (Gai, Jiraiya) so just because everyone knows of "The Yellow Flash" doesn't mean he'll recognize that "Oh yes, that guy with Blue Eyes and Yellow Hair is in fact the yellow flash", so he won't absorb Samehada right away, not a chance.

(If in some parallel universe Kisame was able to absorb Samehada, having TCC unrestricted spells Kisame's demise)

 

[Haizaki]

Ok. I'll agree that he's as durable as his sword.

I just thought of the possibility you being correct previously but not entirely sure. While the exterior of Samehada is his spikes, some parts of Samehada without that exterior can release those spikes

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Those parts don't have that exterior but spikes could be released from there. That probably means Kisame releasing spikes from his body isn't really the exact reason for one to believe he shares the same durability because it could merely be an ability granted to him. My thoughts but who knows :lol