Kisame vs Minato
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Lmao Who said that the spikes weren't solid enough? Who said that the spikes couldn't block Kunai? Clearly not what's being said here.
There's nothing you can bring to the table that'd prove his body is as durable as Samehada. Fusion and merging two things together does not, will not and can not ever result in 100% chance that the thing retains every single property of the two separate items in the form you think it will be. If he can do that he can tank Kunai, otherwise no as I'm seeing no real proof he's as durable as you are saying he is.
-There is no added durability that the Manga shows that lets him take bladed weapons.
-Only the back of his neck is protected by a fin, not the front.
-If he can react to any Hiraishin blitz then being able to tank Kunai is a viable thing to mention, but he can't so it's not.
And Minato will only ever have contact with his body for a split second so chakra drainage isn't even a factor here. Minato would easily tag him, teleport away and then either:
A. Teleport to him and attack with his Kunai.
B. Teleport to him and kill him with Fukasaku's tongue attack. (And there is absolutely no arguing he tanks and survives this)
C. Teleport Gamabunta to him as the latter swings his sword down for an unavoidable strike that will tear Kisame in half.
Or he could teleport a clone to Kisame and have said clone teleport Kisame back to the attack from either B or C. So no, Minato has more than enough ways to take Kisame down here. Whether it's underwater or not.
And if Minato enters Sage Mode and he makes contact with Kisame and Kisame tries to drain it then it's definitely a wrap for him as he'll turn to stone.
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Sage Mode would definitely put an end to the fight. The only way it won't put an end to the fight is if Kisame manages to fool Minato with clones who'll absorb the Sage chakra instead. Highly unlikely strategy especially when you even factor in the intel here and the fact that there'll be Sage clones to occupy Kisame and his clones too. Not to mention another one can consider is the fact that: "The Toads from Mount Myobuko uses Senjutsu attacks"..That't other issue to deal with if Kisame is faced with these attacks.
I don't know about added durability for Kisame..don't at all but Minato had to force to slice through Hachibi's tail which is pretty durable. Guess that might be good enough but who knows.
I don't know about added durability for Kisame..don't at all but Minato had to force to slice through Hachibi's tail which is pretty durable. Guess that might be good enough but who knows.
SM ends it when Kisame absorbs it. He hasn't used it in battle before but used it when it was needed against Madara. Just like it's needed here for him to finish Kisame.
Also, Toads are here so that's bad for Kisame like I said in my last post.
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Never said it wouldn't increase his abilities. But to what extent? That what remains unknown. We can compare Naruto's base reaction/speed to of when his enters SM. We can't do the same for Minato. The one time he did use SM, it didn't display anything to suggest that he moved faster or reacted faster than he would've with SM deactivated.
My argument remains, using SM feats for Minato cannot adequately be used in debate because the extent of these "increase" capabilities are unknown.
He can already teleport instantly. What more do you want? We can say he'd have faster reflexes. Ok...when would that need to come into play? Against what opponent? He either outclasses most or gets pawned As he did against Madara.
Pa himself stated he had no knowledge of any student of Jman's other than Nagato.
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How are you assuming Minato even reaches Kisame when they are within WD anyways?
Kisame has already shown the ability to fuse with Samehada like so
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retaining durability of Samehada don't see why he couldn't do that here. If you're going to say "he won't know to do it" than Minato won't know to strike Kisame in the neck for no reason instead of hit him with rasengan or simply impale him some other place on the body.
Lets not forget Kisame himself was tanking thrown Kunai
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doesn't compare to a strike from Minato and his Tsunade like strength he showed when he couldn't even fully slice something Bee sliced off himself :lol but still.
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I never said that Minato gets to Kisame within the dome. I simply said that tagging him bears little to no risk.
That's not a battle form. That's a form he takes when he's hiding inside of the sword. So he can go ahead and do that if he wants, but Minato will easily tag and kill him like that.
And thrown Kunai? Come on. :lol
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And Ma and Pa not knowing about Minato has obviously been retconned as the only way for Minato to have Sage Mode is if he trained under them
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But he himself states it takes too long to knead chakra for SM. Logically due to his own statement he couldnt have been able to activate it in an instance but instead it makes more sense that he had to have been kneading chakra before the moment he entered SM.
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"Summon will depend on his/her abilities." Other than toads, only Jman has shown the ability to summon Ma&Pa. As I said, they're no ordinary summonings.
You can post the databook scan as much as you want lol. The manga has inconsistent panels that disagree. So as I initially stated, "Minato summoning Ma&Pa is debatable."
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