So basically you know he'd win with his sword and have tried to weakened him?. Regardless kisame has his stupidly large chakra reserve without the need of samahada. Samahada is to absorb chakra and when needed to replenish his chakra. With his suiton alone, he can counter mei's suiton, Fire, lava and boil release for obvious reasons and with this post im done
So basically you know he'd win with his sword and have tried to weakened him?. Regardless kisame has his stupidly large chakra reserve without the need of samahada. Samahada is to absorb chakra and when needed to replenish his chakra. With his suiton alone, he can counter mei's suiton, Fire, lava and boil release for obvious reasons and with this post im done
No, you decided to weaken Mei by saying she can't use other techs since we haven't seen them. So since we're going to be technical, he doesnt have his sword. You're trolling so hard. There are no "obvious reasons." Ever seen a volcano in the ocean? Yea, it hardens, after it evaporates a lot of water. I'm sure she can tweek her lava around to make it hotter. Stop acting like his water techs are unstoppable. Hidden in the mist tech works both ways. Yes, we haven't seen a whole lot of her water tech, but what we have seen, is that she can make a huge amount of water in a very quick time, AND do a 40 hand sign water tech with little or no hand signs. Not to mention the fact that she can use Earth, for obvious reasons. It's not known to what extent. I'm glad you're done, cause I'm tired of arguing over people who think they're fav character is the most mad ass person. I know there are people who can beat her, but she is very talented, and deserves credit in many areas.
No, you decided to weaken Mei by saying she can't use other techs since we haven't seen them. So since we're going to be technical, he doesnt have his sword. You're trolling so hard. There are no "obvious reasons." Ever seen a volcano in the ocean? Yea, it hardens, after it evaporates a lot of water. I'm sure she can tweek her lava around to make it hotter. Stop acting like his water techs are unstoppable. Hidden in the mist tech works both ways. Yes, we haven't seen a whole lot of her water tech, but what we have seen, is that she can make a huge amount of water in a very quick time, AND do a 40 hand sign water tech with little or no hand signs. Not to mention the fact that she can use Earth, for obvious reasons. It's not known to what extent. I'm glad you're done, cause I'm tired of arguing over people who think they're fav character is the most mad ass person. I know there are people who can beat her, but she is very talented, and deserves credit in many areas.
No, you decided to weaken Mei by saying she can't use other techs since we haven't seen them. So since we're going to be technical, he doesnt have his sword. You're trolling so hard. There are no "obvious reasons." Ever seen a volcano in the ocean? Yea, it hardens, after it evaporates a lot of water. I'm sure she can tweek her lava around to make it hotter. Stop acting like his water techs are unstoppable. Hidden in the mist tech works both ways. Yes, we haven't seen a whole lot of her water tech, but what we have seen, is that she can make a huge amount of water in a very quick time, AND do a 40 hand sign water tech with little or no hand signs. Not to mention the fact that she can use Earth, for obvious reasons. It's not known to what extent. I'm glad you're done, cause I'm tired of arguing over people who think they're fav character is the most mad ass person. I know there are people who can beat her, but she is very talented, and deserves credit in many areas.
No, you decided to weaken Mei by saying she can't use other techs since we haven't seen them. So since we're going to be technical, he doesnt have his sword. You're trolling so hard. There are no "obvious reasons." Ever seen a volcano in the ocean? Yea, it hardens, after it evaporates a lot of water. I'm sure she can tweek her lava around to make it hotter. Stop acting like his water techs are unstoppable. Hidden in the mist tech works both ways. Yes, we haven't seen a whole lot of her water tech, but what we have seen, is that she can make a huge amount of water in a very quick time, AND do a 40 hand sign water tech with little or no hand signs. Not to mention the fact that she can use Earth, for obvious reasons. It's not known to what extent. I'm glad you're done, cause I'm tired of arguing over people who think they're fav character is the most mad ass person. I know there are people who can beat her, but she is very talented, and deserves credit in many areas.
At the highlighted part are you dense? and you say im trolling. Mei hasnt shown any ability to create mass amount of lava and besides kisame has already fought and defeated a better/stronger lava release user. She doesnt have the chakra reserves of kisame to create high volumes of water that matches kisame's. She can also use earth, perhaps due but she hasnt shown any earth release techniques. Besides kisame has is also an earth release user and has shown earth release jutsu's.
Its very clear that mei is your favourite character therefore im not sure why you are accusing me of this, i will admit that kisame might interest me, but he isnt my favourite character its clear who wins this. From what weve seen, kisame wipes the floor with mei. Mid difficulty at best
At the highlighted part are you dense? and you say im trolling. Mei hasnt shown any ability to create mass amount of lava and besides kisame has already fought and defeated a better/stronger lava release user. She doesnt have the chakra reserves of kisame to create high volumes of water that matches kisame's. She can also use earth, perhaps due but she hasnt shown any earth release techniques. Besides kisame has is also an earth release user and has shown earth release jutsu's.
Its very clear that mei is your favourite character therefore im not sure why you are accusing me of this, i will admit that kisame might interest me, but he isnt my favourite character its clear who wins this. From what weve seen, kisame wipes the floor with mei. Mid difficulty at best
You're also assuming he's a stronger Lava user, when he hasn't been able to do anything impressive with lava until he transforms and gets the aid of a beast.
You don't know how much chakra she has, it hasn't said. Yet she hasn't seemed to be tired yet while fighting Madara.
He's used one earth tech.....underground....
She's actually not my favorite character. XD Good job.
People always have their different ideas of how a fight would go. Obviously we are on very different sides here. Eh, maybe if he didn't die she could have been the one to fight him. XD Unlike you, when I say I'm going to leave, I do.
You're also assuming he's a stronger Lava user, when he hasn't been able to do anything impressive with lava until he transforms and gets the aid of a beast.
You don't know how much chakra she has, it hasn't said. Yet she hasn't seemed to be tired yet while fighting Madara.
He's used one earth tech.....underground....
She's actually not my favorite character. XD Good job.
People always have their different ideas of how a fight would go. Obviously we are on very different sides here. Eh, maybe if he didn't die she could have been the one to fight him. XD Unlike you, when I say I'm going to leave, I do.
Just give up bro.. Why don't you just accept that Kisame is stronger than Mei. It sp obvious that Roshi is the best lava user so far, not to mention that he has the 4 tail beast too... All Mei can do is to spit a lava, nothing else.
also Don't make an argument about Mei being a Kage because its irrelevant
We know very little of mei.
From what we know of its clear kisame would win. Not only is his suiton far superior to mei's, mei's lava release is at the disadvantage against somebody who can create mass water. Besides hasnt kisame already fought and defeated a much stronger lava release user in the 4 tailed jinchrucki;
I disagree Blaze. You said it yourself, we know little of Mei. Considering this, I find it questionable that you're saying Kisame is the clear winner.
Comparing Mei and Roshi's Lava Release is a dead end. We have no real basis to make an accurate judgement between the two. The fact that Kisame beat Roshi tells us absolutely nothing about how he would fare against Mei. Nor does it imply anything about Mei's Lava Release. Not to mention we don't even know how strong Roshi was to begin with. He was a Jinchuuriki, but exactly what does that tell us? That he was on Bee and Naruto's level? Absolutely not. We know for a fact that the only Jinchuuriki who were capable of controlling their Bijuu were Yagura, Bee, and now Naruto. Roshi was never one of them.
As for Roshi using Lava Techniques against Bee and Naruto:
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It's a mistake to take these to heart. It was Tobi controlling them with the Rinnegan and chakra rods. The Jinchuuriki of the Six Paths even went into their V2 and Bijuu transformations:
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Does this mean that they each were able to use their V2 and Bijuu Transformations?
They also used TBB:
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Does this mean they were each able to use the TBB?
We know for a fact that none of them had enough control of their Bijuu to be able to do this (except for possibly Yagura, but even that's farfetched). This alone nulls the drawing of anything shown by them as being strictly their abilities. At most, it only tells us what kinds of general abilities they had.
-Roshi had Lava Release
-Yagura had Water Release
-Utakata used Bubbles
-etc
I admit, this is an assumption full of holes on my part, but the specific uses of these abilities were done via Tobi's manipulation.
If they were able to do these things by themselves, where exactly would we draw the line between it being their own abilities and being Tobi's manipulation?
As far as Mei and Kisame's Suiton, who says Kisame's Suiton is that much better than Mei's? Because he can create water and summon 1000 sharks? It's common knowledge that when it comes to Water users, their techniques increase in power when they're surrounded with water. This is the only reason Kisame was able to use his uber techniques like the Giant Shark Bullet and 1000 Sharks. He was surrounded by an ocean. Should Mei be near such a giant body of water her water techniques would also increase in potency.
In addition the only element we've seen Kisame use is water (He's use an Earth technique once but it wasn't even an offensive technique). No matter how proficient Kisame may be in Water, I don't see Kisame winning against Mei who can use Water, Fire, Earth, Lava and Acid.
By the words of Yamato himself during Naruto's Wind training:
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Using 2 elements after being able to use their respective KGs is simple. By Mei's proficiency in her Lava and Acid we can infer she's just as well-rounded in her other 3 basic natures
Should this be anyone else besides Mei, than Kisame would take it. I'm not trying to challenge his strength. As far as I'm concerned, Kisame was the 4th strongest member of Akatsuki under Tobi, Pain, and Itachi. But against Mei I find it unlikely that Kisame would win. Especially when:
-Earth has an elemental advantage over Water
-Mei, as the Mizukage, likely has full knowledge of Samehada and what it can do
I disagree. You said it yourself, we don't know much about Mei. Likewise, I find it flawed that you're saying Kisame is the clear winner.
Comparing Mei and Roshi's Lava Release is a dead end. We have no real basis to make an accurate judgement between the two. The fact that Kisame beat Roshi tells us absolutely nothing about how he would fare against Mei. Nor does it imply anything about Mei's Lava Release. Not to mention we don't even know how strong Roshi was to begin with. He was a Jinchuuriki, but exactly what does that tell us? That he was on Bee and Naruto's level? Absolutely not. We know for a fact that the only Jinchuuriki who were capable of controlling their Bijuu were Yagura, Bee, and now Naruto. Roshi was never one of them. It's a mistake to overjudge his strength with no concrete support.
As for Roshi using Lava Techniques against Bee and Naruto, it's a mistake to take these to heart. It was Tobi controlling them with the Rinnegan and chakra rods. The Jinchuuriki of the Six Paths even went into their Bijuu transformation. We know for a fact that none of them had enough control of their Bijuu to be able to do this (except for possibly Yagura). This alone nulls the drawing of anything shown by them as being strictly their abilities.
As far as Mei and Kisame's Suiton, who says Kisame's Suiton is that much better than Mei's? Because he can create water and summon 1000 sharks? It's common knowledge that when it comes to Water users, their techniques increase in power when they're surrounded with water. This is the only reason Kisame was able to use his uber techniques like the Giant Shark Bullet and 1000 Sharks. He was surrounded by an ocean. Should Mei be near such a giant body of water her water techniques would also increase in potency.
In addition the only element we've seen Kisame use is water (He's use an Earth technique once but it wasn't even an offensive technique). No matter how proficient Kisame may be in Water, I don't see Kisame winning against Mei who can use Water, Fire, Earth, Lava and Acid. By the words of Yamato himself during Naruto's Wind training, using 2 elements after being able to use their respective KGs is simple. By Mei's proficiency in her Lava and Acid we can infer she's just as well-rounded in her other 3 basic natures
Should this be anyone else besides Mei, than Kisame would take it. But against Mei I find it unlikely that Kisame would win. Especially when:
-Earth has an elemental advantage over Water
-Mei has full knowledge of Samehada and what it can do
Excuse me,! KillerBee got owned by Kisame too...
Mei will increase his potency under water? How? If she get caught inside the water doom, she is screwed, She is not an expert swimmer and she has no counter against Great Shark bullet that absorbs oponent chakra.
Excuse me,! KillerBee got owned by Kisame too...
Mei will increase his potency under water? How? If she get caught inside the water doom, she is screwed, She is not an expert swimmer and she has no counter against Great Shark bullet that absorbs oponent chakra.
Kisame did not own Bee. Bee tore open Kisame's chest with a single V2 Lariat.
On top of that Bee was trying to save Sabu and Ponta the entire time he was in Kisame's water dome.
I didn't say she'd do anything under water. Please read my post again. I said should Mei be around such a large body of water her techniques will increase in strength. This is how Water Techniques work. The closer proximity you are to a large body of water (lake, ocean, etc) the more powerful your water techniques become.
Yes, and Kisame immediately healed himself by fusing with Samehada. I don't know what manga are you reading. Its pretty obvious that Kisame defeated Bee.
I didn't say she'd do anything under water. Please read my post again. I said should Mei be around such a large body of water her techniques will increase in strength. This is how Water Techniques work. The closer proximity you are to a large body of water (lake, ocean, etc) the more powerful your water techniques become.
I did read your post and Please don't make this excuses that Mei will increase her strength under water. Kisame will increase his strength more than Mei. He is the best suiton user so far(but of course aside from Tobirama). Kisame will drown Mei by using Water Doom or Water Tsunami. It will be a big disadvantage for Mei if they are close in a large body of water. because
Mei can't breath under water, Mei is not expert swimmer, Kisame has a better suiton jutsu than Mei, Kisame has a big reserved amount of chakra than Mei. Kisame can summon a thousand feeding sharks that will ripped Mei's head
Yes, and Kisame immediately healed himself by fusing with Samehada. I don't know what manga are you reading. Its pretty obvious that Kisame defeated Bee.
Kisame's target was Bee not Sabu and Ponta. LMAO!!!
You dense fool. Sabu and Ponta were still trapped in Kisame's water dome. It doesn't matter if Kisame was targetting Bee. Sabu and Ponta were still in danger, hence, Bee was trying to save them. This is common sense
I did read your post and Please don't make this excuses that Mei will increase her strength under water. Kisame will increase his strength more than Mei. He is the best suiton user so far(but of course aside from Tobirama). Kisame will drown Mei by using Water Doom or Water Tsunami. It will be a big disadvantage for Mei if they are close in a large body of water. because Mei can't breath under water, Mei is not expert swimmer, Kisame has a better suiton jutsu than Mei, Kisame has a big reserved amount of chakra than Mei. Kisame can summon a thousand feeding sharks that will ripped Mei's head
You said you read my post, yet you said the same thing as before.
I said nothing about Mei being under water.
And all of what you've just said is under the complete assumption that Mei would even let Kisame fuse with Samehada. Mei is the Mizukage of Kirigakure. Do you honestly think she wouldn't know of Kisame and Samehada's abilities and plan accordingly?
You dense fool. Sabu and Ponta were still trapped in Kisame's water dome. It doesn't matter if Kisame was targetting Bee. Sabu and Ponta were still in danger, hence, Bee was trying to save them. This is common sense
You are the biggest idiot here. You just said that Kisame was trying to save sabu and ponta the entire time. Killerbee saved them just once, when he keeps pulling them and he threw them outside the water dome. Killerbee was the only one who left inside the dome, and they fought there one on one, then Killerbee got raped by Kisame. Not to mention Sabu and Ponta had helped Killerbee to realized how water dome works.
You said you read my post, yet you said the same thing as before.
I said nothing about Mei being under water.
And all of what you've just said is under the complete assumption that Mei would even let Kisame fuse with Samehada. Mei is the Mizukage of Kirigakure. Do you honestly think she wouldn't know of Kisame and Samehada's abilities and plan accordingly?
Mei is a kage, Mei is kage.. blah blah blah.. i'm so tired of this shit excuses..
answer my question please... Why Killerbee let Kisame fuse with Samehada even though he is obviously faster than Mei. Kisame can fuse with Samehada withing a seconds. it is just like you are stoping a puppeeter from summoning there puppeets.. Deal with it, Mei has no chance.
You are the biggest idiot here. You just said that Kisame was trying to save sabu and ponta the entire time. Killerbee saved them just once, when he keeps pulling them and he threw them outside the water dome. Killerbee was the only one who left inside the dome, and they fought there one on one, then Killerbee got raped by Kisame. Not to mention Sabu and Ponta had helped Killerbee to realized how water dome works.
I don't remember saying Kisame was trying to save Sabu and Ponta. Quote me if you think I did. And if I did then it's obviously a typo. If you couldn't tell that then you're the only idiot here.
No. Sabu and Ponta weren't the ones who helped Bee deal with the water dome. It was Hachibi:
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You say Bee got raped by Kisame? What does that even mean? I don't know what manga you're reading but had Kisame not gone into his fusion he would have lost.
Samehada's limit to absorbing Bee's cloak is 6 tails:
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This means Kisame can't completely negate Bee's cloak every time Bee goes in for his attack...
...an attack like this:
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Kisame heals:
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But exactly how many people thus far have put Kisame in this position? No one. Not even Gai cornered Kisame like this in his 7 Gates seeing as he still had the strength to bust out of Yamato's sturdy Mokuton prison, so I have no clue where you're getting this idea that Kisame raped Bee.
Bee tries to save Sabu and Ponta:
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What happens next? Kisame exploits the situation and lures Bee:
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Furthermore, Bee deliberately sacrifices himself to stall Kisame until Sabu and Ponta exit the dome:
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This is just like Deidara defeating Gaara by exploiting his protection of Suna. Gaara sacrificed himself by using his remaining chakra to move the giant sand shield in order to save Suna. This is the exact same parallel with Bee. You can't fight at 100% concentration when the opponent is deliberately targeting something you're trying to protect. This is obvious.
Please, I beg you, for just once, legitimately counter any of my counterpoints above instead of wasting my time with aimless flames. If you can't, then I'm done arguing with you because arguing with you is only going to make me stoop down to your level.
Mei is a kage, Mei is kage.. blah blah blah.. i'm so tired of this shit excuses..
answer my question please... Why Killerbee let Kisame fuse with Samehada even though he is obviously faster than Mei. Kisame can fuse with Samehada withing a seconds. it is just like you are stoping a puppeeter from summoning there puppeets.. Deal with it, Mei has no chance.
Unless Kisame starts the fight by fusing with Samehada immediately, Mei will be on the lookout for it to happen. How do you stop Kisame's fusion? You separate him from Samehada. Gai did this in their second fight:
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Bee didn't stop Kisame from fusing because he didn't even know it was a possibility. He didn't know that transformation was under Kisame's sleeves.
It's not like preventing a puppeteer from summoning their puppets. You have the wrong analogy. It's more like allowing Hidan to get a drop of your blood if you already know what it does. Asuma is faster and more seasoned than Shikamaru. Why wasn't Asuma able to prevent bloodshed against Hidan when Shikamaru could? This is the same exact question you just ask me with Bee and Mei. The answer is intel. If you're aware of your opponents arsenal of techniques then it grants the option of working around them and planning accordingly. This is obvious. How you fail to understand this eludes me...
You bring up points without thinking them through. I've addressed every single thing you've thrown at me, yet you keep coming without further supporting yourself.
I don't remember saying Kisame was trying to save Sabu and Ponta. Quote me if you think I did. And if I did then it's obviously a typo. If you couldn't tell that then you're the only idiot here.
You say Bee got raped by Kisame? What does that even mean? I don't know what manga you're reading but had Kisame not gone into his fusion he would have lost.
Samehada's limit to absorbing Bee's cloak is 6 tails:
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This means Kisame can't completely negate Bee's cloak every time Bee goes in for his attack...
...an attack like this:
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Kisame heals:
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But exactly how many people thus far have put Kisame in this position? No one. Not even Gai cornered Kisame like this in his 7 Gates seeing as he still had the strength to bust out of Yamato's sturdy Mokuton prison, so I have no clue where you're getting this idea that Kisame raped Bee.
Bee tries to save Sabu and Ponta:
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What happens next? Kisame exploits the situation and lures Bee:
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Furthermore, Bee deliberately sacrifices himself to stall Kisame until Sabu and Ponta exit the dome:
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This is just like Deidara defeating Gaara by exploiting his protection of Suna. Gaara sacrificed himself by using his remaining chakra to move the giant sand shield in order to save Suna. This is the exact same parallel with Bee. You can't fight at 100% concentration when the opponent is deliberately targeting something you're trying to protect. This is obvious.
Please, I beg you, for just once, legitimately counter any of my counterpoints above instead of wasting my time with aimless flames. If you can't, then I'm done arguing with you because arguing with you is only going to make me stoop down to your level.
Unless Kisame starts the fight by fusing with Samehada immediately, Mei will be on the lookout for it to happen. How do you stop Kisame's fusion? You separate him from Samehada. Gai did this in their second fight:
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Bee didn't stop Kisame from fusing because he didn't even know it was a possibility. He didn't know that transformation was under Kisame's sleeves.
It's not like preventing a puppeteer from summoning their puppets. You have the wrong analogy. It's more like allowing Hidan to get a drop of your blood if you already know what it does. Asuma is faster and more seasoned than Shikamaru. Why wasn't Asuma able to prevent bloodshed against Hidan when Shikamaru could? This is the same exact question you just ask me with Bee and Mei. The answer is intel. If you're aware of your opponents arsenal of techniques then it grants the option of working around them and planning accordingly. This is obvious. How you fail to understand this eludes me...
You bring up points without thinking them through. I've addressed every single thing you've thrown at me, yet you keep coming without further supporting yourself.
Damn, she owned you so hard all you could do was call her names, and not give actual facts. ....What was it you said to me....oh yea.."just give up bro." Take your leave.
Damn, she owned you so hard all you could do was call her names, and not give actual facts. ....What was it you said to me....oh yea.."just give up bro." Take your leave.
uhm i'm gonna side with Mei...and no, kisame didn't rape bee. bee even said he didn't want to go full out because he didn't want to blow his cover and let his brother find him...
if he summons his water wave, mei could simply use boil release to fry him...
another thing. if he fuses with samehada, he'd become an even easier target. hence, she won't have to worry about the sword anymore.
you fail to realize that she has earth element as well, so she automatically has the advantage. also, if he starts to fuse with samehada, she could easily use Lava Globs to fry him to dust. the attack isn't exactly slow, and he doesn't instantaneously fuse either.
he can summon a water wave and swim underwater??? uhm you forget mei has an instantaneous barrier tech: Water Encampment Pillar. thus leaving an opening for a counter...
also, you don't prove your point by attempting to slander one's name. so, my logic tells me that you are no more than a freshman in high school, and you just learned all these bad words and want to get them out. your immaturity is sickening...:sy:
