Kisame vs EMS Madara

[Beans2]

Location; VoTE - 100 meters starting sistance
Intel: Kisame knows Madara is an Uchiha MS user like Itachi and uses genjutsu, katons, susanoo etc
Conditions: Kisame starts the battle merged with Samehada
Restrictions: PS, Kyubi

Before you say Madara stomps I'd like you to look at the conditions/restrictions etc

 

[Conspirator.]

Madara wins high diff with the restrictions.

 

[lanakui8]

Madara stomps. reactions to tag Juubito. If Sasuke can make a V3 that can slice a mountain in half, Madara can at least do that as well.

Kisame using samehada as a shield got his chest blown open by a V2 lariat. Both of them get sliced in half by the PS sword.

The only possible way kisame wins is if his featless Daikodan can actually absorb Madara's susanoo and kill madara in a single hit, assuming madara doesn't destroy the shark or dodge it before it hits.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Madara stomps. reactions to tag Juubito. If Sasuke can make a V3 that can slice a mountain in half, Madara can at least do that as well.

Kisame using samehada as a shield got his chest blown open by a V2 lariat. Both of them get sliced in half by the PS sword.

The only possible way kisame wins is if his featless Daikodan can actually absorb Madara's susanoo and kill madara in a single hit, assuming madara doesn't destroy the shark or dodge it before it hits.

What v3 Susanoo Sasuke used that slice a mountain in half?

 

[lanakui8]

What v3 Susanoo Sasuke used that slice a mountain in half?

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[Conspirator.]

Madara stomps. reactions to tag Juubito. If Sasuke can make a V3 that can slice a mountain in half, Madara can at least do that as well.

When did EMS sasuke's v3 become so strong that it could carve up mountains? If you are referring to him cutting a trunk off the god tree, I doubt that was mountain sized and even if it was he was buffed up by Naruto's 9 tail chakra steroids.

Kisame using samehada as a shield got his chest blown open by a V2 lariat. Both of them get sliced in half by the PS sword.

PS is restricted here.

The only possible way kisame wins is if his featless Daikodan can actually absorb Madara's susanoo and kill madara in a single hit, assuming madara doesn't destroy the shark or dodge it before it hits.

And that's exactly what happens given the fact that Madara can't use PS or the kyuubi.

 

[lanakui8]

When did EMS sasuke's v3 become so strong that it could carve up mountains? If you are referring to him cutting a trunk off the god tree, I doubt that was mountain sized and even if it was he was buffed up by Naruto's 9 tail chakra steroids.

Seemed mountain-sized to me considering his susanoo was the size of a bijuu. Maybe his susanoo was buffed, but do you believe a V3 susanoo or even Madara's giant V4 susanoo would be incapable of doing that or something similar?

PS is restricted here.

I meant the giant V3.

And that's exactly what happens given the fact that Madara can't use PS or the kyuubi. Kisame eventually outlasts Madara.

we don't know that though. We've never even seen daikodan absorb something, or how much offensive power it has after it's absorbed something. We don't know if madara with all his experience would decide to destroy the shark with a slash or just dodge it.

 

[ARGUS]

The god tree branch is no way near the size of a mountain,
yes its large but claiming that it can cut mountains is pushing it,
Madaras PS at full power is able to cut mountains,

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so no, the god tree branch was certainly not mountain sized

 

[Conspirator.]

we don't know that though. We've never even seen daikodan absorb something, or how much offensive power it has after it's absorbed something. We don't know if madara with all his experience would decide to destroy the shark with a slash or just dodge it.

I would go by Kisame's words

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. As soon as Daikodan touched Gai's hirudora, Kisame was shocked that it wasn't getting stronger/absorbing the jutsu. That tells me that the absorption process is relatively quick. Now Madara's v4 Susanoo has no real mobility feats.(it's legless basically) so his only option would be to destroy it. The issue is that Madara's v4 has never shown the ability to create gigantic mountain busting shockwaves like his PS, so I have to question whether it has the firepower to destroy it completely. Kifflom already established that sasuke's v3 enhanced via 9 tails chakra isn't a mountain busting tech btw.

Edit: Forgot about Genjutsu. Madara wins mid diff with genjutsu in tandem with his v4 susanoo.

 

[Bronze]

Madara mid diff.

Samehada is weak to fire, evident it hit Bee when he used it counter Katon: ball. Madara, a proficient Katon user who can spit flames that equal the Juubi in size, is more than enough burn all of Samehada to burned fish. In other words, it's weak and has no importance in this battle. Now that this has been established, other arguments can be established. Genjutsu can one-shot: Ay self-per claimed that Genjutsu doesn't work on him, and we seen that a caliber of Kurenai can work on Kisame. Someone who can manipulate Kurama, warned not to look to his eye, and wields Tsukuyomi, will one-shot Kisame. An argument that on the lines suggesting Kisame was Itachi's partner, this knowing not to look to Sharingan, is fallacious and invalid. Even the likes of Deidara who has better counter to Sharingan: Genjutsu was trapped within Sasuke's. Kisame has no counter to Madara's Genjutsu. Susanoo breaches all of Kisame's defenses and overpowers him immensely.​

 

[lanakui8]

The god tree branch is no way near the size of a mountain,
yes its large but claiming that it can cut mountains is pushing it,

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there are all kinds of mountains in the NV.

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are

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the shinjuu branch and much

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that's easily med mountain, most likely a med-high mountain.

 

[ARGUS]

there are all kinds of mountains in the NV.

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are

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the shinjuu branch and much

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that's easily med mountain, most likely a med-high mountain.

No,
The first 2 scans that you have posted did not even have mountains so they are completely irrelevant, they were mere cliffs, thats all, Sasukes V3 is no where near the siize of Madaras PS,

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his PS is a barely visible here,

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in fact its not even close to the mountains that were made Madaras PS appear much smaller,

on top of the fact that these smaller mountains are still much larger in diameter, therefore ur claim of the branch being med-high mountain is wrong, V3 susanoo has never ever shown DC of that magnitude, only PS has,

P.S - I hate getting into size based arguments, I hope this helps

 

[NSUNSR]

Madara still has this Susanoo. He wins low diff.

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[lanakui8]

No,
The first 2 scans that you have posted did not even have mountains so they are completely irrelevant, they were mere cliffs, thats all, Sasukes V3 is no where near the siize of Madaras PS,

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his PS is a barely visible here,

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in fact its not even close to the mountains that were made Madaras PS appear much smaller,

on top of the fact that these smaller mountains are still much larger in diameter, therefore ur claim of the branch being med-high mountain is wrong, V3 susanoo has never ever shown DC of that magnitude, only PS has,

P.S - I hate getting into size based arguments, I hope this helps

It's not even a sized based argument really, it's what we both consider a mountain. I consider those giant rock formations in kumo gakura 'mountains' or the technique that's called 'mountain sandwhich' or 'mountaineous earth technique' a mountain.

the last scan you showed of the shinjuu root isn't a good one, as it's not close to the susanoo for a size comparison, while the one i've given shows the susanoo right next to the branch.

 

[Bronze]

No,
The first 2 scans that you have posted did not even have mountains so they are completely irrelevant, they were mere cliffs, thats all, Sasukes V3 is no where near the siize of Madaras PS,

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his PS is a barely visible here,

A flaw in this part. Madara's Perfect Susanoo, when merged with Kyuubi, it had to lose much of its size in order to fit the beast properly. In version 4, an ustabalized with only half body that Madara used it to defend the Mokujin from hitting Kurama with the latter's TBB, was equal to Kurama's size. So of course, with legs and in the realms of stabilized will be a lot more bigger than Kurama.​

 

[ARGUS]

A flaw in this part. Madara's Perfect Susanoo, when merged with Kyuubi, it had to lose much of its size in order to fit the beast properly. In version 4, an ustabalized with only half body that Madara used it to defend the Mokujin from hitting Kurama with the latter's TBB, was equal to Kurama's size. So of course, with legs and in the realms of stabilized will be a lot more bigger than Kurama.​

It still doesnt matter since his PS is still much much larger than Sasukes V3,
and was still smaller than the mountains,
thhats all that i was trying to say,

 

[Bronze]

It still doesnt matter since his PS is still much much larger than Sasukes V3,
and was still smaller than the mountains,
thhats all that i was trying to say,

You're repeating the same fallacious, idiotic post. PS was, is and always not smaller than "the" mountains, as it was coated onside Kurama; and the entity lost its size for better fitting for Kurama to wear on.​

 

[Rιver]

Even without the Kanseitai, Kisame stands no chance. Madara has other Susano'O variants that make up for PS: i.e. V4 that was as big as Kyūbi, V3 legged that has 4 swords and is bigger than an average sized human exponentially etc.

Kisame also has no counter to Genjutsu, Madara's speed enhanced with his Dōjutsu precognitive abilities as well as sensing. All water is vaporized by Katon that is equivalent in terms of size with the whole Shinobi Alliance and Jūbi.​

 

[TRE MERCER]

People need to stop being dumb. Madara's standing Susanoo is no where near the size of Bijuu mode Kurama. Sasuke was because of the Kyuubi chakra buff. Madara standing Susanoo is pretty small if you look

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GSB would eat a Susanoo this small with ease. Same goes for Madara katon techs. Or Kisame counters them by making the entire battlefield into a lake via GCW or He could counter them with 1k Feeding sharks. Either way Madara is out-matched here.

 

[Rιver]

People need to stop being dumb. Madara's standing Susanoo is no where near the size of Bijuu mode Kurama. Sasuke was because of the Kyuubi chakra buff. Madara standing Susanoo is pretty small if you look

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GSB would eat a Susanoo this small with ease. Same goes for Madara katon techs. Or Kisame counters them by making the entire battlefield into a lake via GCW or He could counter them with 1k Feeding sharks. Either way Madara is out-matched here.

What are you talking about? Madara clearly formed a V4 next to Kurama that was it's size. BM Naruto's avatar is half that at best, which also, is much bigger than Daikōdan. A slash disperses the water, and another kills Kisame.

Katon is not even debatable anymore.​

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