Kirin > Rasenshurkin

[Chīkara]

lol when i made this account, i wasnt myself lol



i forgot to explain that part in my op.

still most ppl who arnt trolls knew what i meant.

The sheer size of kirin > Rasenshurkin making element advantage pretty much useless

Fūton: Chōōdama Rasenshuriken is obviously pretty.

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[Multiply]

why is the link invalid?

That link was a site where they tried to use real world logic in Naruto, and tried to measure each pixel, then assign each pixel a measurement, and determine how big Kirin's destruction was. That's what Iassume, considering he said it was the, "calc"

 

[Smd]

and what do you say about the expansion of FRS,?

lol no comment.

need to see more from it

Kirin honestly is the most trolled attack in Naruto. It's potential is amazing but sadly it's only been used once and was countered.

OT: I'd personally pick RS over Kirin only because it's less prep time but I honestly think they are more or less equal. Kirin would likely one-shot anyone it hits, but RS does that to opponents too so damage wise they are about equal. RS takes less prep time but Kirin has more attack speed once it's prepared so I say they balance in overall speed and practicality as well

but Just about anyone who isnt fodder can dodge RS.


You cannot dodge kirin unless you have extremely high speed or a s/t

 

[Narutoga]

lol no comment.

need to see more from it



but Just about anyone who isnt fodder can dodge RS.


You cannot dodge kirin unless you have extremely high speed or a s/t

well, i agree, but i believe naruto can amplify FRS with his own speed

 

[Smd]

Why can't you be a nigga tho? And you asked if I was jealous, I answered. Lol stop trying to make this something it isn't.

lol im not. then next time you dislike someone being nice to me. you shouldnt let the world know it.

Just sayain

Fūton: Chōōdama Rasenshuriken is obviously pretty.

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im not disputeing FRS

 

[Fang King Agito]

why is the link invalid?

No idea but the calc has a link at the bottom of sasuke's obd so it doesn't matter

 

[Smd]

"But a nigga wanna be a nigga, be a nigga" ~ J. Cole

That's what that reminded me of... -leaves

please do.

your spamming in my thread is un wanted.

plz stop stalking my threads. also plz stop quoteing me all the time, as well

your highly annyoing.

 

[Kαmi]

lol im not. then next time you dislike someone being nice to me. you shouldnt let the world know it.

Just sayain

Well good for you to stick up for your friend but I really don't care Lol. I don't dislike him, I don't even talk to him. But if I see something pathetic, I'll let the world know. Im allowed to voice my opinions on the internet you know, just like you and anyone else.

 

[Flakez]

Well you are pretty much female Macho, arguing is pointless.

I'm just gonna say a normal raseshuriken MIGHT be weaker than kirin, but odama rasenshuriken stomps it.

 

[Noni]

He shows up to shut this thread up. NONI!!!!!

Okay so its basic knowledge on the fact. Lightning<Wind. Their is not much we can go through in this position and I doubt their is any other way we can in all honesty its idiotic to think other wise. Now you mention that Kirin is fast, which is true. When it comes to speed it is much faster in execution then almost any other element technique we have seen thus far. So when it comes to speed yes I agree with you. Kirin is best. But is it enough? The only reason why its fast is its pure energy is made of pure lightning that is the only reason why. So would the speed of the technique be able to out shine rasenshuriken. I'd say off the bat, no way in hell.

First of all we have seen Kirin attack, their are only two ways to stop Kirin, either have an absolute defense like Susano'o or have the speed to evade it. That would mean S/T Ninjutsu. Now what if you were struck my kirin with no defense? Well I'll explain something how lightning works. It sends a shock through the entire nervous system and burns the opponent. Does it mean it can kill you? No. Logically in our real world we have heard and known stories of people struck by real lightning and lived and Kirin is real lightning in power. The only thing it contains in chakra is fire chakra residue as well as chakra manipulation. Not chakra attack power, so its attack power is the same of a regular bolt of lightning in this real world and we have seen people live. So I'm sure in the NW you can survive being an OP ninja. Also don't give me that, "Itachi died because of it". He was already fatigued from battle as well as seriously sick. With Susano'o he was still able to live.

Now Rasenshuriken. Their are two things it defeats Kirin in. Shape manipulation and Nature Manipulation. Rasenshuriken is rasengan but with fuuton chakra. Not only is Rasengan the most advance for of shape manipulation its the fastest. Also wind defeats lightning its Naruto Logic, deal with it or get out. Also how does Rasen works? With the wind chakra when it comes into contact with the opponent literally millions of small but accurate slicing cuts occur which attack every cell of the body. If you are hit by this jutsu you will be unable to move, as well as even walk. Its pure power dictates that and how it works as fuuton chakra. It will also cut you up to shreds.
My deduction?

Rasenshuriken is mush more potent as well as stronger in the act of battle. Also a small note, Kirin is useless without the terrain, their needs to be a serious change of weather provide by at least a B-Rank fire. So their is enough storm clouds. Without those clouds its useless and unable to be used. Think about how long it takes for the clouds to form? A long time at least 5-10 mins and in battle that's a lot. So its also not battle friendly because Rasneshuriken can be made with just 2 clones at any time. So yeah. ​

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[true enigma]

Yeah i saw that thread. And alot of your main arugements, dispite dislikeing sasuke

was

- wind>lighting

Thats true but it doesnt work that way.


Kirin would still hit its target, rasenshurkin doesnt have the power to negate kirin or stop it from hitting its target.

Not to mention its at least 10 times faster, at least.


Are you all being serious when you say rasenshurkin> kirin.

Or are you not being serious but dont want to give credit where its due?


either way, Kirin>rasenshurkin

In my personal opinion... it's obvious that in a clash of any kind kirin would dominate. Mostly because of speed, but mabey that's just me.

 

[Troyg39]

lol no comment.

need to see more from it



but Just about anyone who isnt fodder can dodge RS.


You cannot dodge kirin unless you have extremely high speed or a s/t

I get what you're saying don't get me wrong, I'm just taking everything into consideration. For me, I'd rather have something that I could use more quickly than something I have to spend a lot of time prepping up. Sure I'll have a harder time trying to hit you, but I'll also have more chances to hit you. I'll just have to be a little more creative with trying to catch you with it.

Plus if I know RS, that's all I would have to know in order to use it. To use Kirin I'd also need to be a good enough fire user to heat up the sky. If I'm not good with fire style, I'm either not going to be able to use Kirin at all or I'm going to have to spend even longer trying to prep it.

As far as the two attacks going head to head and which is stronger I agree with you SMD, I'd place my money on Kirin taking out RS. I was just saying for those who were trying to include everything in the argument, which is prep time, practicality, etc, then they more or less balance out to me and whichever you pick would just be your personal preference

 

[Smd]

He shows up to shut this thread up. NONI!!!!!

Okay so its basic knowledge on the fact. Lightning<Wind. Their is not much we can go through in this position and I doubt their is any other way we can in all honesty its idiotic to think other wise.
Now you mention that Kirin is fast, which is true. When it comes to speed it is much faster in execution then almost any other element technique we have seen thus far. So when it comes to speed yes I agree with you. Kirin is best. But is it enough? The only reason why its fast is its pure energy is made of pure lightning that is the only reason why. So would the speed of the technique be able to out shine rasenshuriken. I'd say off the bat, no way in hell.
First of all we have seen Kirin attack, their are only two ways to stop Kirin, either have an absolute defense like Susano'o or have the speed to evade it. That would mean S/T Ninjutsu. Now what if you were struck my kirin with no defense? Well I'll explain something how lightning works. It sends a shock through the entire nervous system and burns the opponent. Does it mean it can kill you? No. Logically in our real world we have heard and known stories of people struck by real lightning and lived and Kirin is real lightning in power. The only thing it contains in chakra is fire chakra residue as well as chakra manipulation. Not chakra attack power, so its attack power is the same of a regular bolt of lightning in this real world and we have seen people live. So I'm sure in the NW you can survive being an OP ninja.
Also don't give me that, "Itachi died because of it". He was already fatigued from battle as well as seriously sick. With Susano'o he was still able to live.

Now Rasenshuriken. Their are two things it defeats Kirin in. Shape manipulation and Nature Manipulation. Rasenshuriken is rasengan but with fuuton chakra. Not only is Rasengan the most advance for of shape manipulation its the fastest. Also wind defeats lightning its Naruto Logic, deal with it or get out.
Also how does Rasen works? With the wind chakra when it comes into contact with the opponent literally millions of small but accurate slicing cuts occur which attack every cell of the body. If you are hit by this jutsu you will be unable to move, as well as even walk. Its pure power dictates that and how it works as fuuton chakra. It will also cut you up to shreds.
My deduction?
Rasenshuriken is mush more potent as well as stronger in the act of battle.

Also a small note, Kirin is useless without the terrain, their needs to be a serious change of weather provide by at least a B-Rank fire. So their is enough storm clouds. Without those clouds its useless and unable to be used. Think about how long it takes for the clouds to form? A long time at least 5-10 mins and in battle that's a lot. So its also not battle friendly because Rasneshuriken can be made with just 2 clones at any time. So yeah.

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you need to shrink that wall of text.

Well good for you to stick up for your friend but I really don't care Lol. I don't dislike him, I don't even talk to him. But if I see something pathetic, I'll let the world know. Im allowed to voice my opinions on the internet you know, just like you and anyone else.

bahaha man your clealy mad about somethin. but what?

i wish i knew. you can have minions and ppl on your side too, you just need to brung yourself alil down to earth

Dont think your better than others

And Treat everyone women with respect

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

Yeah i saw that thread. And alot of your main arugements, dispite dislikeing sasuke

was

- wind>lighting

Thats true but it doesnt work that way.

Well actually it does work that way when comparing elemental factors. Fuuton is superior to Raiton.

If you said you saw a lot of our arguments, why did you only list one? You said a, a lot of your arguments was...". Arguments were is the correct way to say it. If you intend to base a counter thread on one point, you should rephrase it to, "the primary argument used was..."

Please refrain from generalizing people who oppose you as "those who dislike Sasuke." Contrary to your opinion, I like Sasuke. I respect his character. Wasn't a fan of his blind revenge... But that's what made him Sasuke.

Anyways...


1. The rasenshuriken is a superior element when the two clash.

2. The premise of the previous thread was basically what happens when A and B collide., and thus speed is irrelevant.

3. Kirin is mostly comprised of natural lighting with little chakra: meaning the rasenshuriken is a greater volume of chakra and elementary superior (the two requirements in determining which one wins).

4. Based on hear say manga wise, elements naturally reflect their jutsu counterparts: Kakashi could cut lighting with Raikiri. Had the jutsu been unable to interact: Kakashi would be a smouldering corpse. Thus: Fuuton > Natural lightning.

5. Additionally, the Rasenshuriken is technically complete only on Sage Mode: thus has the benefit of Natural Energy.

6. Since the Rasenshuriken is a jutsu that focuses on a specific area, it would create an umbrella effect which would protect Naruto. The parts of Kirin that aren't touched would strike around him in a comparable measure to Itachi vs Kirin. Except the Rasenshuriken user wouldn't be on the ground.

7. Had you wanted to count speed is a factor, the amount of rasenshuriken's that can be fired off before Kirin is even ready is far greater considering it took fire dragon bullets plus an extreme burning of Amaterasu (sun hot flames) to kick start a storm. So really despite the fast fire time when fired. The charge makes it inefficient.



The Rasenshuriken is more efficient and overall better than Kirin.

you need to shrink that wall of text.

That post is nowhere close to a Honben-Heki no Jutsu (Wall of Text no Jutsu). He went through the effort of using paragraphs. He simply neglected to double space except for the end. If you insist on making a separate thread in response to a previous thread. Take the liberty and respect to hear a reply.

 

[Multiply]

Well actually it does work that way when comparing elemental factors. Fuuton is superior to Raiton.

If you said you saw a lot of our arguments, why did you only list one? You said a, a lot of your arguments was...". Arguments were is the correct way to say it. If you intend to base a counter thread on one point, you should rephrase it to, "the primary argument used was..."

Please refrain from generalizing people who oppose you as "those who dislike Sasuke." Contrary to your opinion, I like Sasuke. I respect his character. Wasn't a fan of his blind revenge... But that's what made him Sasuke.

Anyways...


1. The rasenshuriken is a superior element when the two clash.

2. The premise of the previous thread was basically what happens when A and B collide., and thus speed is irrelevant.

3. Kirin is mostly comprised of natural lighting with little chakra: meaning the rasenshuriken is a greater volume of chakra and elementary superior (the two requirements in determining which one wins).

4. Based on hear say manga wise, elements naturally reflect their jutsu counterparts: Kakashi could cut lighting with Raikiri. Had the jutsu been unable to interact: Kakashi would be a smouldering corpse. Thus: Fuuton > Natural lightning.

5. Additionally, the Rasenshuriken is technically complete only on Sage Mode: thus has the benefit of Natural Energy.

6. Since the Rasenshuriken is a jutsu that focuses on a specific area, it would create an umbrella effect which would protect Naruto. The parts of Kirin that aren't touched would strike around him in a comparable measure to Itachi vs Kirin. Except the Rasenshuriken user wouldn't be on the ground.

7. Had you wanted to count speed is a factor, the amount of rasenshuriken's that can be fired off before Kirin is even ready is far greater considering it took fire dragon bullets plus an extreme burning of Amaterasu (sun hot flames) to kick start a storm. So really despite the fast fire time when fired. The charge makes it inefficient.



The Rasenshuriken is more efficient and overall better than Kirin.

This thread has been put in the dirt IMO.

 

[Sapiens Sequax Sex Semita]

Kirin is City level in destruction

Rasenshuriken is town level

Nuclear weapons can level citys and lasers aimed at the right spot or small missiles can take them out easily...

 

[Smd]

Well actually it does work that way when comparing elemental factors. Fuuton is superior to Raiton.

If you said you saw a lot of our arguments, why did you only list one? You said a, a lot of your arguments was...". Arguments were is the correct way to say it. If you intend to base a counter thread on one point, you should rephrase it to, "the primary argument used was..."

Please refrain from generalizing people who oppose you as "those who dislike Sasuke." Contrary to your opinion, I like Sasuke. I respect his character. Wasn't a fan of his blind revenge... But that's what made him Sasuke.

Anyways...


1. The rasenshuriken is a superior element when the two clash.

2. The premise of the previous thread was basically what happens when A and B collide., and thus speed is irrelevant.

3. Kirin is mostly comprised of natural lighting with little chakra: meaning the rasenshuriken is a greater volume of chakra and elementary superior (the two requirements in determining which one wins).

4. Based on hear say manga wise, elements naturally reflect their jutsu counterparts: Kakashi could cut lighting with Raikiri. Had the jutsu been unable to interact: Kakashi would be a smouldering corpse. Thus: Fuuton > Natural lightning.

5. Additionally, the Rasenshuriken is technically complete only on Sage Mode: thus has the benefit of Natural Energy.

6. Since the Rasenshuriken is a jutsu that focuses on a specific area, it would create an umbrella effect which would protect Naruto. The parts of Kirin that aren't touched would strike around him in a comparable measure to Itachi vs Kirin. Except the Rasenshuriken user wouldn't be on the ground.

7. Had you wanted to count speed is a factor, the amount of rasenshuriken's that can be fired off before Kirin is even ready is far greater considering it took fire dragon bullets plus an extreme burning of Amaterasu (sun hot flames) to kick start a storm. So really despite the fast fire time when fired. The charge makes it inefficient.



The Rasenshuriken is more efficient and overall better than Kirin.






That post is nowhere close to a Honben-Heki no Jutsu (Wall of Text no Jutsu). He went through the effort of using paragraphs. He simply neglected to double space except for the end. If you insist on making a separate thread in response to a previous thread. Take the liberty and respect to hear a reply.

if you say so. but i find it hard to believe that the element advantage

Dispite how small it may be, will still effect the outcome

example - Madara Katon vs a weak genin sution attack

by your logic and everyone else who disagrees, the suiton attack will beat the katon completely.

i find that hard to believe

 

[Pekoms]

Instead of making a thread in response to another thread.. just post in the first thread.
Also, please refrain from all the different forms of spam. Such a warning is applicable to many people in this thread.​