KinGin Bro's VS Itachi Uchiha

[NarutoVsGoku]

i agree but he does not every single thing as far as we know naruto has more s6op than any other characters in naruto dude naruto can obtain every doujutsu/kg (ok not all kg but some) he may and may not get the sharingan and same with rinnigan

i doubt Naruto is getting doujutsus and kgs....

 

[Professor Sarutobi]

ok well i've decided to stop talking outta my ass and provide proof...

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the sharingan can be beaten.. explained by chiyo.. "1 on 1 ... run.. 2 on 2 ... jump his ass" (btw not exact words)

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Kakashi explains MS genjutsu or Tsukiyomi is hard to beat, cannot be cancelled by a partner and inflicts damage instantly.. sooooo that effs up my arguement with one of the bros knocking out the other out of Tsukiyomi.. BUT!! if Itachi uses a weaker genjutsu (he just doesn always use Tsukiyomi) they can knock each other out and be fine.. if its Tukiyomi there fu**ed.. at least one of them

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Tsukiyomi is an MS tech and MS jutsus take a huge toll on the user!! Itachi doesnt just go around using Tsukiyomi on everybody he fights! surely though in a fight against strong ppl like Kin Gin he'd resort to it but it would cost him.. Kakashi noted that when Itachi used Tsukiyomi he fled. Itachi left because hes extremely weaken after using MS (not saying he's weak.. but it goes for everyone who uses MS tech..)

also note Sasuke became very near blind after a short time of having MS cuz he kept spamming Amaterasu, Tsukiyomi and Sasuno! Itachi had MS for at about 7-10 years and it took him that long to become near blind.. we can assume Itachi uses MS VERY sparringly unlike Sasuke did...

btw the Uchiha do not know everything or alot about the Sage of Six Path because of the tablets.. the Sage of Six Paths was considered to be legendary and ppl didnt even believe he existed. Madara is the one that knew most about him.. also the tablets on the Uchiha walls can be read be a reg sharingan and that only explains stuff about Madara. theres other things that can be read by MS but tell me how many ppl actually gained MS?!? so yea since Kin Gin actually have the Ulitmate Treasures that belonged to SO6P himself i will guess that they know more than Uchihas about Sage.. but anyways why does it even matter who knows more about SO6P?!?

btw where does it says the Uchiha tablets says anything about SO6P.? prove Itachi knew anything about him.. its Madara that explained everything we even know about SO6P..

"The Naka Shrine (南賀ノ神社, Naka no Jinja; Literally meaning "Shintō Shrine of Southern Joy") is a shrine in Konoha. In the main hall, beneath the seventh tatami mat from the far right, is a secret meeting place of the Uchiha clan. In there is a tablet containing the clan's secrets. The tablet can only be read with specific dōjutsu: the basic Sharingan is able to decipher a minimal amount of the information, even more of it if the person possesses the Mangekyō Sharingan, and Rinnegan being able to read more than the others. Here the secrets of the Mangekyō Sharingan are written, as is the story of the Sage of the Six Paths and the Ten-Tailed Beast"

its the story of the sage and the 10tails and MS powers the same one that madara told because he had MS and could read most of it and had nagato (assumedly) read the parts he couldn't while in akatsuki. so anything madara knew his brother could know and anyone in the uchiha during the warring days they told could know and pass down the legend and apperently did since non MS users knew the legend like kakashi even tho they only thought he was a myth untill the last few years or so.

 

[PositiveEmotions]

i doubt Naruto is getting doujutsus and kgs....

of all the things that we know about naruto dude u know as well i as i do that with him anything its possible

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

"The Naka Shrine (南賀ノ神社, Naka no Jinja; Literally meaning "Shintō Shrine of Southern Joy") is a shrine in Konoha. In the main hall, beneath the seventh tatami mat from the far right, is a secret meeting place of the Uchiha clan. In there is a tablet containing the clan's secrets. The tablet can only be read with specific dōjutsu: the basic Sharingan is able to decipher a minimal amount of the information, even more of it if the person possesses the Mangekyō Sharingan, and Rinnegan being able to read more than the others. Here the secrets of the Mangekyō Sharingan are written, as is the story of the Sage of the Six Paths and the Ten-Tailed Beast"

its the story of the sage and the 10tails and MS powers the same one that madara told because he had MS and could read most of it and had nagato (assumedly) read the parts he couldn't while in akatsuki. so anything madara knew his brother could know and anyone in the uchiha during the warring days they told could know and pass down the legend and apperently did since non MS users knew the legend like kakashi even tho they only thought he was a myth untill the last few years or so.

thank you

but not just Uchihas but everyone knew legends of the Sage.. the Sage was even first mentioned by Jiraiya when he saw Nagato with the Rinnegan for the first time and he thought the doujutsu was a myth..

agreed the tablets would have secrets of the foundations of the Uchiha and its ancestry and even maybe some SO6P fun facts but how many Uchihas could read it?

only Madara and his bro.. later on Itachi, Kakashi and Sasuke.. but much of the things on the tablet was not known unless you had the "eye" to read it.. Madara who contained both MS and Rinnegan knew everything that was on it and he's the one that revealed most of what we know about SO6P..

but anyways my point was to argue the statement was Itachi knows more about SO6P than the cloud because of tablets but thats not true.. Itachi didnt even know everything about Madara.. but anyways i ask why does that even matter during Kin Gin vs Itachi?

of all the things that we know about naruto dude u know as well i as i do that with him anything its possible

to a certain exstant... but i still stand Naruto isnt getting any doujutsus or kgs... MAYBE a temporary sharingan but thats it and thats a big maybe..

 

[PositiveEmotions]

thats wut im saying temporary powers damn it like the sharingan :flaw: lol

 

[Professor Sarutobi]

thank you

but not just Uchihas but everyone knew legends of the Sage.. the Sage was even first mentioned by Jiraiya when he saw Nagato with the Rinnegan for the first time and he thought the doujutsu was a myth..

agreed the tablets would have secrets of the foundations of the Uchiha and its ancestry and even maybe some SO6P fun facts but how many Uchihas could read it?

only Madara and his bro.. later on Itachi, Kakashi and Sasuke.. but much of the things on the tablet was not known unless you had the "eye" to read it.. Madara who contained both MS and Rinnegan knew everything that was on it and he's the one that revealed most of what we know about SO6P..

but anyways my point was to argue the statement was Itachi knows more about SO6P than the cloud because of tablets but thats not true.. Itachi didnt even know everything about Madara.. but anyways i ask why does that even matter during Kin Gin vs Itachi?




to a certain exstant... but i still stand Naruto isnt getting any doujutsus or kgs... MAYBE a temporary sharingan but thats it and thats a big maybe..

it doesn't and i wouldn't bring it up in the first place but you asked if the uchiha knew anything about him. and they can read it and tell other people what they read which is probably how most people know now, madara or izuna told someone who told someone etc. Boom you have a well-known myth.

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

i agree but he does not every single thing as far as we know naruto has more s6op than any other characters in naruto dude naruto can obtain every doujutsu/kg (ok not all kg but some) he may and may not get the sharingan and same with rinnigan

thats wut im saying temporary powers damn it like the sharingan :flaw: lol

lol no friend you did not say temporary powers you said "naruto can obtain every doujutsu"

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btw i say temporary sharingan cuz it may be possible Itachi gave Naruto that power to fight or defend agaisnt Sasuke's sharingan..

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[NarutoVsGoku]

it doesn't and i wouldn't bring it up in the first place but you asked if the uchiha knew anything about him. and they can read it and tell other people what they read which is probably how most people know now, madara or izuna told someone who told someone etc. Boom you have a well-known myth.

i did asked.. thats why i thanked you and thanks again..

but Madara and Izuna reading it and telling others and starting the myth i doubt it.. the SO6P is the father of jutsus... through him came about ninjas.. so i think before the MS even came about, stories about SO6P was around..

 

[Professor Sarutobi]

i did asked.. thats why i thanked you and thanks again..

but Madara and Izuna reading it and telling others and starting the myth i doubt it.. the SO6P is the father of jutsus... through him came about ninjas.. so i think before the MS even came about, stories about SO6P was around..

also true, was just an example of why more then just ms users in the clan would know whats on the tablet.

 

[Anub]

well prove Itachi can cast more than 1 person in a genjutsu at a time..

even if the genjutsu does damage it doesnt end the match...



duh they'll be prepared for a genjutsu adversary.. Sharingan is not a secretive technique and back in Kin Gin days their were alot more Uchihas alive.. not only that but they would know or have heard about MS techniques cuz Madara "died" not too long ago when Tobirama became 2nd Hokage..

anyways point is they would be prepared for the MS techs when seeing Itachi possesses MS.. but you make a great point on the damage that could happen within seconds of falling in genjutsu by Itachi but still thats not going to end the battle...


genjutsu is not going to be Itachis ultimate weapon.. besides Tsukiyomi will drain Itachi alot and he cant keep spamming MS techs all day...

genjutsu can easily end the fight.

They might be prepared for a genjutsu adversary, but so was Kakashi and I think Kakashi is much smarted that the bros and has a lot more knowledge about MS, seeing how he has sharingan. And tsukyiomi won't really drain Itachi that much. And he doesn't need to spam it, he needs to cast it once and once of the brothers is going to be slowed down a lot so the fight isn't so much 2vs1. If he manages to cast it twice, then Itachi practically won that fight.

And to be honest the brothers don't seem that smart... they seem to be loud and they seem to jump into action a lot without a real plan. I mean they say each others name almost in every sentence "I'm going to fight them now, Kinkaku" "Ok, Ginkaku" "I'm going to the toilet Kinkaku" and so on. If you noticed so far, the most silent ninjas are usually the smarter ones in the naruto universe (pain, itachi, minato, shikamaru, shikaku). Of course there are exceptions like Tobi who pretends to be a noob, but even he gets serious when he fights, or Jirayia who is a womanizer, but him aswell gets serious when in a fight.

People like Hidan, KinGin bros, Deidara and so on seem to follow the same pattern. They are smart enough to have just one plan, but don't think of another (Hidan only does the ritual, KinGin depend on their weapons, Deidara doesn't use jutsu, just bombs).

 

[NewKageism]

genjutsu can easily end the fight.

They might be prepared for a genjutsu adversary, but so was Kakashi and I think Kakashi is much smarted that the bros and has a lot more knowledge about MS, seeing how he has sharingan. And tsukyiomi won't really drain Itachi that much. And he doesn't need to spam it, he needs to cast it once and once of the brothers is going to be slowed down a lot so the fight isn't so much 2vs1. If he manages to cast it twice, then Itachi practically won that fight.

And to be honest the brothers don't seem that smart... they seem to be loud and they seem to jump into action a lot without a real plan. I mean they say each others name almost in every sentence "I'm going to fight them now, Kinkaku" "Ok, Ginkaku" "I'm going to the toilet Kinkaku" and so on. If you noticed so far, the most silent ninjas are usually the smarter ones in the naruto universe (pain, itachi, minato, shikamaru, shikaku). Of course there are exceptions like Tobi who pretends to be a noob, but even he gets serious when he fights, or Jirayia who is a womanizer, but him aswell gets serious when in a fight.

People like Hidan, KinGin bros, Deidara and so on seem to follow the same pattern. They are smart enough to have just one plan, but don't think of another (Hidan only does the ritual, KinGin depend on their weapons, Deidara doesn't use jutsu, just bombs).

I lol'd at the toilet part, but yea Kingin bros would lose like what he stated on the first page. It not like Itachi could not use other jistus. He just uses the eye alot but he is fast, smart, and always thinking ahead. The ginkaku borther fault might be they suck without one another.

 

[Ryūjin]

Itachi would win , as they are not that fast , they just have incredible techniques thats all , they aren't smart like Itachi , and also they wouldn't stand a chance against Susanoo lol

 

[PositiveEmotions]

lol no friend you did not say temporary powers you said "naruto can obtain every doujutsu"

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lol

btw i say temporary sharingan cuz it may be possible Itachi gave Naruto that power to fight or defend agaisnt Sasuke's sharingan..

edit: btw i do not support domestic violence or women abuse

yea my bad there but yea i ment temporary dude what ever he gets its temporary against sasuke

 

[PositiveEmotions]

i did asked.. thats why i thanked you and thanks again..

but Madara and Izuna reading it and telling others and starting the myth i doubt it.. the SO6P is the father of jutsus... through him came about ninjas.. so i think before the MS even came about, stories about SO6P was around..

well its true s6op is the creater of all shinobies and ninjutsos/doujutsus but i doubt he created the ms dude i think it was one of his 2 sons and i think it was the hatred one

 

[Professor Sarutobi]

well its true s6op is the creater of all shinobies and ninjutsos/doujutsus but i doubt he created the ms dude i think it was one of his 2 sons and i think it was the hatred one

he was saying the sage lived before anyone unlocked MS, his older son was the original uchiha so his dna led to the sharingan and MS wasn't around untill madara and izuna were around so the sage didn't make it he just lived before it was around.

 

[PositiveEmotions]

he was saying the sage lived before anyone unlocked MS, his older son was the original uchiha so his dna led to the sharingan and MS wasn't around untill madara and izuna were around so the sage didn't make it he just lived before it was around.

yea i know that dude but i think naruto might get the other half of the s6op by defeating the brothers/getting their weapons

 

[yondaimeminato]

Kakashi was not well prepared to fight Itach that time.. he was better when he had Naruto's help..

yes Itach is not a regular Uchiha.. he casts genjutsu with crows, fingers in addition with his eyes.. he has good amount of chakra but the Kin Gin have beast level chakra each.. Itachi has no where near as much as them..

i already admitted Tsukiyomi would be a big issue if one of them were hit by it but MS techniques will drain Itachi..

lol when they are wielding those weapons they have the same amount of chakra or even less than itachi because the weapons suck up large amount of chakra continuously. The longer they use those weapons the more chakra they are going to loose

We have seen just how many times itachi can use his MS powers even with already dying eyes since he had used them a lot previously and don't forget he was sick. Yes, a tsukiyomi will drain itachi but this won't be enough to make him lose the fight. The only one who was able to defeat itachi's full tsukiyomi was sasuke.

When kakashi had naruto's help, it was a fake itachi with 20 percent of itachi's power.

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he couldn't use his MS at that moment

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^this is when he notices

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they only used 30 percent of their real power.

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kakashi says the same thing again to everyone not to look into his eyes. It's the same thing he said when he first encountered kakashi

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Here kakashi says there is no way of canceling the effects of a MS genjutsu.

The old lady was talking about a normal genjutsu user.

Even sasuke with MS genjutsu doesn't reach itachi's level of genjutsu.

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here danzou explains that susake's genjutsu is no where near to itachi's level of ms genjutsu which can control the length of the illusion and everything.

 

[Professor Sarutobi]

yea i know that dude but i think naruto might get the other half of the s6op by defeating the brothers/getting their weapons

other half? the weapons won't give him the rinnegan if thats what your trying to tie together, hes got the body of the sage by being uzumaki so the other half would be rinnegan.

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

genjutsu can easily end the fight.

They might be prepared for a genjutsu adversary, but so was Kakashi and I think Kakashi is much smarted that the bros and has a lot more knowledge about MS, seeing how he has sharingan. And tsukyiomi won't really drain Itachi that much. And he doesn't need to spam it, he needs to cast it once and once of the brothers is going to be slowed down a lot so the fight isn't so much 2vs1. If he manages to cast it twice, then Itachi practically won that fight.

And to be honest the brothers don't seem that smart... they seem to be loud and they seem to jump into action a lot without a real plan. I mean they say each others name almost in every sentence "I'm going to fight them now, Kinkaku" "Ok, Ginkaku" "I'm going to the toilet Kinkaku" and so on. If you noticed so far, the most silent ninjas are usually the smarter ones in the naruto universe (pain, itachi, minato, shikamaru, shikaku). Of course there are exceptions like Tobi who pretends to be a noob, but even he gets serious when he fights, or Jirayia who is a womanizer, but him aswell gets serious when in a fight.

People like Hidan, KinGin bros, Deidara and so on seem to follow the same pattern. They are smart enough to have just one plan, but don't think of another (Hidan only does the ritual, KinGin depend on their weapons, Deidara doesn't use jutsu, just bombs).

........................lol great arguements.. especially "I'm going to the toilet Kinkaku" lol

but we dont know how smart the Kin Gin are. we assume they arent that smart but why? they staged a coup detat against the Leaf and Cloud.. dummies cant organized a plan to over through to of the strongest villages.. it takes brain.. sure they may seem simple but they are very dangerous..

they are the most notorious criminals in the Cloud history books.. you can even say that the Kin Gin bros are the "Itachi's" version of the Cloud.. but when they were mentioned Raikage immediatly recognized that they were summoned and he's been pissing his pants for 2 chapters now..

they were able to go agaisnt the 9tails, absorb large amounts of its chakra and live way past longer than the average person could.. people are not even seeing that as a big deal which is sad because Raikage himself said they are the equivalent of monsters, non humans, being tainted with 9tails chakra is "another story though".. basically even without 9tails they'd still be a very big issue..

we cannot compare them to the retard characters of the story.. did Hidan, or Deidara put the 2nd Hokage in the verge of death? could Itachi even do that? and they arent even loud characters.. Hidan and Deidara were loud characters. the Kin Gin dont brag about their powers or nothing.. everybody else are doing that for them while being scared sensless (Samui, Raikage) the Kin Gin bros seem very laid back, relaxed and confident.. not loud..

btw they tell each other what they are doing cuz its called comunication.. teamwork.. they are a notorious tag team and the way they fight has allowed them to go toe to toe with even 2nd Hokage and 2nd Raikage..

whos the strongest person Itachi has fought? has Itachi ever fought a Kage?

lol when they are wielding those weapons they have the same amount of chakra or even less than itachi because the weapons suck up large amount of chakra continuously. The longer they use those weapons the more chakra they are going to loose

We have seen just how many times itachi can use his MS powers even with already dying eyes since he had used them a lot previously and don't forget he was sick. Yes, a tsukiyomi will drain itachi but this won't be enough to make him lose the fight. The only one who was able to defeat itachi's full tsukiyomi was sasuke.

When kakashi had naruto's help, it was a fake itachi with 20 percent of itachi's power.

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he couldn't use his MS at that moment

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^this is when he notices

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they only used 30 percent of their real power.

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kakashi says the same thing again to everyone not to look into his eyes. It's the same thing he said when he first encountered kakashi

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Here kakashi says there is no way of canceling the effects of a MS genjutsu.

The old lady was talking about a normal genjutsu user.

Even sasuke with MS genjutsu doesn't reach itachi's level of genjutsu.

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here danzou explains that susake's genjutsu is no where near to itachi's level of ms genjutsu which can control the length of the illusion and everything.

weilding the weapons does not mean they have the same amount of chakra as Itachi. the Kin Gin have beast level chakra.. characters that we know that have have enormous amounts of chakra like that are jinchurikis, Kisame and Raikage and now the Kin Gin are one of them.. Itachi's chakra level comes nowhere close to theres ever. Kakashi once said that Naruto, with 9tails chakra added to his own has 100 times more chakra than he does. Kakashi has average amount of chakra. Itachi's chakra is average also.. Itachi's power doesnt lie in stamina (matter fact Itachi has horrible stamina especially after using MS).. his powers lies in his eyes which deteriorates over time..

anyways even with the Kin Gin weapons using their chakra thats like anyother jutsu being used by Itachi.. takes up massive chakra.. but thing is Kin Gin has 100 more times of chakra they can spare than Itachi does.. Itachi is not winning a long drawnout match..

on your links i mentioned alot you already said.. Itachi was at 30 percent and could not use MS agreed. Kakashi said do not look at the eyes like he said the first fight but in the second fight he added something else tou failed to mention.. he told Naruto, Sakura and Chiyo to focus on his body and feet.. big difference from the first fight.. in the first fight Kakashi had said to completely close their eyes (correct me if im wrong)..

also Kakashi did not fall for any genjutsu attacks.. he used his clones as decoys.. big difference when he fought Itachi the first time.. even if it was full percent Itachi, Kakash iwas not falling for the same attack twice. Itachi noted that even after one fight Kakashi had learned alot and was way more prepared..

Chiyo wasnt talking about normal genjutsu users she was talking about how to fight a Uchiha.. though Itachi is a Uchiha in a league on his own cuz he has MS.. and i already admitted MS Tsukiyomi cant be cancelled.. Sasuke Tsukiyomi sucks compared to Itachi but despite that Sasuke eat Itachi's genjutsu..

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anyways wheres my proof Itachi can cast Tsukiyomi on more than one person at a time? also all the times we have seen Itachi use Tsukiyomi have been once per battle.. same case for Sasuke as well..

Itachi used it once fighting Kakashi
used it once fighting Sasuke and failed

Sasuke used it once fighting Bee and failed
used it once on Shi
used it once on Danzo

for all we know the Tsukiyomi can only be used once per battle.. we all know there limits and number of times powerful jutsus can be used at a time.. at the time Kakashi fought Deidara he could only use Kamui 3 times. at the chunnin exams Sasuke was only able to use chidori 2 or 3 times.. Naruto when he fought Pain could only use Rasenshuriken twice in sage mode.. we have only seen Tsukiyomi being used once per battles so that may be the limit..

Itachi by chance catches one of the bros with Tsukiyomi.. his chakra is severly drained and he still has another tailed beast level bro who can wield the ultimate treasures to fight.. Itachi chances of beating Kin Gin tag team is low..

 

[PositiveEmotions]

other half? the weapons won't give him the rinnegan if thats what your trying to tie together, hes got the body of the sage by being uzumaki so the other half would be rinnegan.

i ment the other half of the s6op seal dude either that naruto might get a new scroll