^^The Acid mist never completely burned Rigcage Susanoo. In fact, it hardly affected it. It got through the Susanoo, and it only caused some burns on Sasuke. And this is a Sasuke who is low on chakra, so his Susanoo won't be as strong as it is normally. Had he been with full chakra capacity, Ribcage Susanoo wouldn't have melted. Now lets ALSO keep in mind that that was in a very tight space, had it been in an open area, the effectiveness would be GREATLY reduced. The fact that Sasuke had his skin burned and his eyes unaffected, means Kimmimaro's eyes getting burned is a fanfic.
Kimmimaro is certainly not going to be screaming in pain, that's utterly ridiculous. Sasuke was not screaming in pain, why on earth would someone who has FAR more pain tolerance then him scream? When he's brined by far less potent acid no less.
Also, since when did this Acid work like Hidden in the mist? It might be harder to see, but it won't be outright impossible. Also what's with the placing hands on the ground takes time BS? Mei is not Ay and placing hands on the ground for a Ninja would take a mili second, it certainly takes FAR less time then weaving a hand seal, opening the mouth, using a Jutsu and the time it takes said Jutsu to reach Kimmimaro. Yoton damaged V3? Hell no, it damaged Ribcage Susano, and that's only because the Ribcage was basically bathing in it for a solid 10-15 seconds. Kimmimaro would need to be bathing in the Lava for over 15 seconds for it to go through his skin and bone armour, and if he is in CS2, it would take over 30.
^^The Acid mist never completely burned Rigcage Susanoo. In fact, it hardly affected it. It got through the Susanoo, and it only caused some burns on Sasuke. And this is a Sasuke who is low on chakra, so his Susanoo won't be as strong as it is normally. Had he been with full chakra capacity, Ribcage Susanoo wouldn't have melted. Now lets ALSO keep in mind that that was in a very tight space, had it been in an open area, the effectiveness would be GREATLY reduced. The fact that Sasuke had his skin burned and his eyes unaffected, means Kimmimaro's eyes getting burned is a fanfic.
Kimmimaro is certainly not going to be screaming in pain, that's utterly ridiculous. Sasuke was not screaming in pain, why on earth would someone who has FAR more pain tolerance then him scream? When he's brined by far less potent acid no less.
Also, since when did this Acid work like Hidden in the mist? It might be harder to see, but it won't be outright impossible. Also what's with the placing hands on the ground takes time BS? Mei is not Ay and placing hands on the ground for a Ninja would take a mili second, it certainly takes FAR less time then weaving a hand seal, opening the mouth, using a Jutsu and the time it takes said Jutsu to reach Kimmimaro. Yoton damaged V3? Hell no, it damaged Ribcage Susano, and that's only because the Ribcage was basically bathing in it for a solid 10-15 seconds. Kimmimaro would need to be bathing in the Lava for over 15 seconds for it to go through his skin and bone armour, and if he is in CS2, it would take over 30.
Yes, she can. Even Ay can see hers though. Not to mention something that clouds her vision is extremely hazardous to her, cause her chances of dodging Sawarabi No Mai become slim to none.
^^The Acid mist never completely burned Rigcage Susanoo. In fact, it hardly affected it. It got through the Susanoo, and it only caused some burns on Sasuke. And this is a Sasuke who is low on chakra, so his Susanoo won't be as strong as it is normally. Had he been with full chakra capacity, Ribcage Susanoo wouldn't have melted. Now lets ALSO keep in mind that that was in a very tight space, had it been in an open area, the effectiveness would be GREATLY reduced. The fact that Sasuke had his skin burned and his eyes unaffected, means Kimmimaro's eyes getting burned is a fanfic.
Sasuke may be low on chakra but his susanoo isn't going to be any weaker. Itachi when low on chakra tanked Kirin. If Sasuke had full chakra, he would have upgraded the level of his susanoo much like he attempted to (
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Kimmimaro is certainly not going to be screaming in pain, that's utterly ridiculous. Sasuke was not screaming in pain, why on earth would someone who has FAR more pain tolerance then him scream? When he's brined by far less potent acid no less.
Also, since when did this Acid work like Hidden in the mist? It might be harder to see, but it won't be outright impossible. Also what's with the placing hands on the ground takes time BS? Mei is not Ay and placing hands on the ground for a Ninja would take a mili second, it certainly takes FAR less time then weaving a hand seal, opening the mouth, using a Jutsu and the time it takes said Jutsu to reach Kimmimaro. Yoton damaged V3? Hell no, it damaged Ribcage Susano, and that's only because the Ribcage was basically bathing in it for a solid 10-15 seconds. Kimmimaro would need to be bathing in the Lava for over 15 seconds for it to go through his skin and bone armour, and if he is in CS2, it would take over 30.
Acid mist is basically hidden mist but with acidic properties. Don't see how it is easier to see through water mist than acid mist because the pH of the mist doesn't determine whether light passes through or not. Not to mention Kimimaro will be suffering from eye pain.
Never said Kimimaro won't be able to place his hands on the ground. I said he wouldn't be able to grow an entire forest full of bones before Mei fires her youton (
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Mei's hand seal speed
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Kimimaro doesn't have the feats to survive lava, which is both corrosive and hot while also under the effects of acid mist. This is the
Sasuke may be low on chakra but his susanoo isn't going to be any weaker. Itachi when low on chakra tanked Kirin. If Sasuke had full chakra, he would have upgraded the level of his susanoo much like he attempted to (
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Susanoo is formed through the materialization of the users chakra, if the users chakra is depleted and waivering, then the Susanoo won't be as strong as it can be. Itachis Susanoo was presumably in V2, but it got destroyed nevertheless and Itachi sustained fairly heavy damage. Had he been healthy, the Susanoo may have been destroyed but he would have not sustained any damage. Though that's admittedly speculation, one thing is for sure, his Ribcage Susanoo was not as strong as it could be. The gaz is moving, like mentioned previously. She will have to constantly pour chakra into it to sustain it, and that's after just setting the AoE of the technique across the battlefield, which may tax her most of her chakra by itself. Kimmi can hide in his bones, so if she does such a dumb move, he won't even need to waste energy on her. He could simply hide in his bones. Sasukes eyes where just as much shielded by Susanoo as his skin was, that did not stop his skin from getting third degree burns and his eyes, despite already being in a bad state, to remain the exact same. The burden of proof is on you that his eyes where injured, you made the claim. As far as we readers can see, Sasuke did not give off any impression that his eyes where injured.
Just for the record, Susanoo did not defend Sasuke as much as you might think it did. Susanoo still lets air through, that's how it was able to bypass Susanoo and injure Sasuke despite not actually destroying Susanoo.
I already showed you that Sasuke was screaming in pain. Sasuke doesn't normally say "Ugh" now does he?
Wait......ugh is screaming in pain? I'm sorry but no,
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is screaming in pain. It takes a high level shinobi slowly getting dismembered for them to screaming in pain, third degree burns (if that) is just not going to cut it. And this is the top 5 most pain tolerant characters in the manga we are talking about here, the guy casually rips out his bones from his flesh with literally no emotion on his face.
Acid mist is basically hidden mist but with acidic properties. Don't see how it is easier to see through water mist than acid mist because the pH of the mist doesn't determine whether light passes through or not. Not to mention Kimimaro will be suffering from eye pain.
Based on what? Because its a gas? No. Hidden mist is meant to conceal, Acid mist is meant to burn. Saying they are the same is like saying a Chidori is the same thing as a rasengan. If Sasuke was not suffering from eye pain (the guy who bleeds out of his eyes every time he strains them) then neither is Kimmimaro.
Never said Kimimaro won't be able to place his hands on the ground. I said he wouldn't be able to grow an entire forest full of bones before Mei fires her youton (
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Yeah, she's fast. But she will only realize what's going on once the bones start coming out of the ground and start heading towards her, at which point it will be too late. But even if she does fire off Yoton, that will only make the bones MORE dangerous. They will be lava coated bones, even if for a short while. And Kimmimaro certainly won't be hit, like you said he will.
Kimimaro doesn't have the feats to survive lava, which is both corrosive and hot while also under the effects of acid mist. This is the
That's what you call damaged? That's like the equivalent of sweating, the Susanoo is completely fine in the very next page. Kimmimaro can survive being crushed with enough force to completely implode a regular shinobi body instantly with NO damage done to his skeletal armour, and his skin was not even hardened by CS2 at that point. It takes a Ribcage Susanoo to bath in her Lava just to make said Ribcage thinner (not even completely destroy it). If you think her Yoton is burning through Kimmimaro instantly, you are sadly mistaken. He will have to sit in her lava for several seconds before it starts to do any sort of damage to his skeletal armour.
Mei was concerned that the acid mist would spread out and damage the others so that actually supports the capability of acid mist being used in outdoor locations. Sure the potency of the acid mist won't be that strong and as the distance from Mei increases, the acid mist's effect will rapidly decrease but against Sasuke, Mei only used a small amount of acid mist (
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But Mei's futton never went to an outdoor place, it was merely moving quickly to random places that were indoors. So as I agree that her Futton is potent at low levels, outdoors is completely different from indoors. Outdoors will allow it for spread in every direction, indoors it was only going one way initially. Spitting out more will only make up for what was lost indoors. Given time however, the Futton will be inexistent.
1. It blinds Kimimaro, making him unaware of Mei's location.
2. The acid mist has shown that it has a burning effect so Kimi's eyes (further blinding him) and even lungs will start burning up when he inhales the mist.
3. The sizzling effect of acid burns as well as Kimimaro screaming in pain (
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It does not blind
Kimi's eyes will not burn since Sasuke's eyes did not either. Sasuke's skin was in fact affected by acid, yet his cornea was completely unaffected (despite the fact he should've instantly been blinded).
Kimimaroo is extremely pain tolerant. He didnt't make a sound to Gaara's sand coffin which made him bleed pretty badly. No reason he'll be screaming in pain when while umhealthy, the only thing moving him was will power. She'll only be damaging replaceable bone he has shown to heal.
So Kimimaro can't use his various bone dances because he can't get close to her due to getting more and more damaged as he comes closer and closer to Mei. Furthermore, he doesn't even know Mei's location and the only way to figure out her location would be to feel the potency of acid mist which is very inefficient. Regardless, nothing stops Mei from moving to another location if in the event Kimi gets close or simply spit lava at him.
Which he'll be healing. Yet it isn't the case since the mist will be dispersing at a quick rate, so sensing in that way would be harder than purely waiting out its duration.
As for bone forest, it takes time for it to grow and cover the entire battlefield (
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and to fully cover the battlefield, it would take several seconds. Placing their hands on the ground leaves them unable to dodge attacks and while under the effects of acid mist, this process will take even longer allowing Mei to cover Kimimaro's body in lava (
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). Her lava is able to do some damage to V3 susanoo so Kimimaro dies from this unless you think Kimimaro is anywhere near V3 susanoo in durability. What makes her lava OP is that not only is it extremely hot but according to the databook, it is also very acidic. A localized Sawarbi no mae like what Kabuto used against the Uchiha bros will take less time to make but it won't be very effective because this is an open location unlike the cave and Kimimaro can't pinpoint Mei's location.
No, that's only if he's burried under 200 meters of pressured sand, which won't be the case here. And you need to realise Mei does not know Kimimaro is putting his hands on the ground while within the mist, so she's not shooting a random lava. Thus Bone Forest is accomplished, and casually.
Youton Youkai no Jutsu
Manipulating the strong acid of a large volcanic mud flow to corrode ones flesh.
For Godaime Mizukage it's possible to use the Youton Kekkai Genkai. inside her body, chakra is changed into strong acidic fluid, everything is melted by the dangerous Jutsu. Out of the mouth gushes (blasts) out a quantity of viscous fluid, the shape and amount is at the liberty of the Jutsu's users. When spit forth at short range it's speed drastically increases (I'm pretty sure?), a wall that obstructs ones path, to use in more than one direction is feasible.
distributes viscous liquid across a vast range/scope, creating an acid wall. Anything that touches it will crumble and loose it's shape.
So Mei wins both scenarios with low-mid difficulty. .
Susanoo is formed through the materialization of the users chakra, if the users chakra is depleted and waivering, then the Susanoo won't be as strong as it can be. Itachis Susanoo was presumably in V2, but it got destroyed nevertheless and Itachi sustained fairly heavy damage. Had he been healthy, the Susanoo may have been destroyed but he would have not sustained any damage. Though that's admittedly speculation, one thing is for sure, his Ribcage Susanoo was not as strong as it could be. The gaz is moving, like mentioned previously. She will have to constantly pour chakra into it to sustain it, and that's after just setting the AoE of the technique across the battlefield, which may tax her most of her chakra by itself. Kimmi can hide in his bones, so if she does such a dumb move, he won't even need to waste energy on her. He could simply hide in his bones. Sasukes eyes where just as much shielded by Susanoo as his skin was, that did not stop his skin from getting third degree burns and his eyes, despite already being in a bad state, to remain the exact same. The burden of proof is on you that his eyes where injured, you made the claim. As far as we readers can see, Sasuke did not give off any impression that his eyes where injured.
Just for the record, Susanoo did not defend Sasuke as much as you might think it did. Susanoo still lets air through, that's how it was able to bypass Susanoo and injure Sasuke despite not actually destroying Susanoo.
Sasuke's ribcage susanoo is as strong as the amount of chakra used to sustain it, not the amount of chakra the user has. It is as strong as the one used against Ay based on its thickness. Regardless, the acid mist has shown that the rate at which it burns does not depend on how durable the substance it is corroding. Even Zetsu (
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and they all seemed to be melting at the same rate that Sasuke's susanoo was melting but we all know that the three substances are much different in terms of durability. All in all, Kimimaro's durability won't be a significant factor in this fight.
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in an open location without her chakra showing signs of getting drained even though she just used a lot of lava against Madara already. I highly doubt that the acid mist is a lot more chakra taxing than the hidden mist. Even still, Mei had been fighting Black Zetsu prior to all this and only had her chakra refilled by Tsunade at chapter 575, so there was a lot of off panel fighting.
Why would Kimimaro choose to hide in his bones when he has no intel about acid mist not being the same as the hidden mist? Not to mention he still has to breathe.
Sasuke was obviously suffering from eye pain through the usage of MS (
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Susanoo obviously took the brunt of the acid or else
Wait......ugh is screaming in pain? I'm sorry but no,
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is screaming in pain. It takes a high level shinobi slowly getting dismembered for them to screaming in pain, third degree burns (if that) is just not going to cut it. And this is the top 5 most pain tolerant characters in the manga we are talking about here, the guy casually rips out his bones from his flesh with literally no emotion on his face.
Based on what? Because its a gas? No. Hidden mist is meant to conceal, Acid mist is meant to burn. Saying they are the same is like saying a Chidori is the same thing as a rasengan. If Sasuke was not suffering from eye pain (the guy who bleeds out of his eyes every time he strains them) then neither is Kimmimaro.
. Both chidori and rasengan are attacks, which by definition do damage on the opponent. Whereas both hidden mist and acid mist are mists, which by definition obscure vision. This is how
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when Mei spits it out and this is how
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like when Mei spits it out. So both seem to have the same opacity.
Yeah, she's fast. But she will only realize what's going on once the bones start coming out of the ground and start heading towards her, at which point it will be too late. But even if she does fire off Yoton, that will only make the bones MORE dangerous. They will be lava coated bones, even if for a short while. And Kimmimaro certainly won't be hit, like you said he will.
Mei will fire the Yoton at Kimimaro, not the bone forest. Well sound is created when the bones start popping up and an exhausted Gaara and exhausted Lee had enough time to jump on Gaara's sand and then fly away in the amount of time it took to cover the battlefield with bones. Why won't Kimimaro be hit by yoton? He'll be blinded and constantly hurt by the acid mist and he'll have his focus on creating a bone forest. The lava globs were fast enough to force
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instead of running through the opening despite Sasuke being much closer to the opening than Mei. When Mei used actual flow of lava instead of lava globs,
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. When Mei used it against Madara, Madara was only able to jump out of the way once the
That's what you call damaged? That's like the equivalent of sweating, the Susanoo is completely fine in the very next page. Kimmimaro can survive being crushed with enough force to completely implode a regular shinobi body instantly with NO damage done to his skeletal armour, and his skin was not even hardened by CS2 at that point. It takes a Ribcage Susanoo to bath in her Lava just to make said Ribcage thinner (not even completely destroy it). If you think her Yoton is burning through Kimmimaro instantly, you are sadly mistaken. He will have to sit in her lava for several seconds before it starts to do any sort of damage to his skeletal armour.
Pretty sure sand coffin doesn't do a thing to ribcage susanoo so what is your point? Kimimaro was almost turned to paste by sand coffin (
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Sasuke's ribcage susanoo is as strong as the amount of chakra used to sustain it, not the amount of chakra the user has. It is as strong as the one used against Ay based on its thickness. Regardless, the acid mist has shown that the rate at which it burns does not depend on how durable the substance it is corroding. Even Zetsu (
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and they all seemed to be melting at the same rate that Sasuke's susanoo was melting but we all know that the three substances are much different in terms of durability. All in all, Kimimaro's durability won't be a significant factor in this fight.
That means that a wall has the same melting point as the Ribcage Susanoo, I don't see what that proves here. Anything that happens to Kimmimaros skin will not phase him at all, so Acid Mist really won't be doing much to him as far as hinderances go.
Mei already used
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in an open location without her chakra showing signs of getting drained even though she just used a lot of lava against Madara already. I highly doubt that the acid mist is a lot more chakra taxing than the hidden mist. Even still, Mei had been fighting Black Zetsu prior to all this and only had her chakra refilled by Tsunade at chapter 575, so there was a lot of off panel fighting.
For Hidden Mist you simply scatter a certain quantity of chakra. For Acid Mist you have to use you chakra for offensive purposes, naturally this would mean that you need to pour in more chakra to make the chakra damaging.
Why would Kimimaro choose to hide in his bones when he has no intel about acid mist not being the same as the hidden mist? Not to mention he still has to breathe.
If he is getting burned, naturally that would be the thing to do.
Sasuke was obviously suffering from eye pain through the usage of MS (
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You are trying to use real life logic here which won't work. A characters hair is always unaffected after an explosion even if their skin is extremely damaged, this is virtually the same situation.
Susanoo obviously took the brunt of the acid or else
When you apply heat to a solid 'meltable substance' such as ice the water molecules abosorb the heat. After applying a certain amount of heat the ice 'melts.' The energy transferred as heat causes the water molecules to vibrate, to the point where they can no longer remain in the solid state. Adding further energy to the now liquid water continues to increases the molecules' vibrations. With sufficient energy they break away from one another to form a gas - steam.
While water consists entirely of molecules of H2O, skin is made of many different compounds, including water, proteins such as keratin and collagen, and elements found in fatty tissue and blood vessels. Adding heat to skin increases the vibration of molecules in the skin. Rather than melt a number of things can happen. Heat can denature proteins, causing them to become inactive and form solid clumps of material. It can also ignite materials in your skin causing direct burns.
Recent sensational stories in the news media about 'flesh eating bacteria' mention cases of microbes 'melting' flesh. However, this interpretation is far from true (skin can't melt.. right?), and is more than often a great overstatement of what really happens. The disease in question is called necrotizing fascitis. Some virulent strains of bacteria produce potent toxins that kill skin cells. If the microbes colonize a wound or other infected site they can cause serious damage. The disease is rare in the US, particularly in healthy epople ( 500 -1000 cases per year).The infected area produces a lot of pus, fluid and dead skin that sloughs from the site, perhaps giving an impression of melting flesh.
Never said he'd be screaming in pain like Obito but he'll obviously be at least making grunts. Even his manipulation of bones makes a sound (
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You said he woud be screaming in pain, screaming in pain is screaming in pain, ugh is not screaming in pain. If Sasuke only said ugh once, despite already suffering injuries before hand, then someone who is a lot more pain tolerant then Sasuke like Kimmimaro won't show any signs of pain at all. Period.
They are both mists and mists have a tendency to
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. Both chidori and rasengan are attacks, which by definition do damage on the opponent. Whereas both hidden mist and acid mist are mists, which by definition obscure vision. This is how
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when Mei spits it out and this is how
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like when Mei spits it out. So both seem to have the same opacity.
Like I said. Sure, it will make it harder to see, but it won't make it near impossible like in Hidden Mists case (or at least Zabuzas hidden mist). Perhaps its the same as Mei's Hidden Mist.
Mei will fire the Yoton at Kimimaro, not the bone forest. Well sound is created when the bones start popping up and an exhausted Gaara and exhausted Lee had enough time to jump on Gaara's sand and then fly away in the amount of time it took to cover the battlefield with bones. Why won't Kimimaro be hit by yoton? He'll be blinded and constantly hurt by the acid mist and he'll have his focus on creating a bone forest. The lava globs were fast enough to force
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instead of running through the opening despite Sasuke being much closer to the opening than Mei. When Mei used actual flow of lava instead of lava globs,
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. When Mei used it against Madara, Madara was only able to jump out of the way once the
If two story sized bones come out of the ground, Mei does not exactly have a choice of what she hits. That battlefield was HUGE. Kimmimaro won't be hit because he is more then fast enough to avoid it, and he can put bones in the way. And if he where to ever be hit by it, he is not staying in the lava, he is instantly jumping out. Sasuke was not even looking at the attack, he sensed it coming and side-stepped because it was in front of him already. Furthermore, he did not want to ditch Karin. Who said he couldn't get out of the way? Just because he decided to use Susanoo to block does not mean he couldn't get out of the way. His expression did not give away any sort of hint that he wouldn't be able to dodge it. BTW, her Yoton couldn't damage Sasukes Ribcage Susanoo at all, which only proves my point that its not burning through Kimmimaro instantly.
Pretty sure sand coffin doesn't do a thing to ribcage susanoo so what is your point? Kimimaro was almost turned to paste by sand coffin (
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Actually I would have to disagree with you on that, I think if Gaara puts sufficient force into his attack with sand that covers Ribcage Susanoo entirely, he would be able to at least chip the bones. Mei's Yoton did not do a thing to Ribcage Susanoo right away either. lol Kimmimaro's skin was what was 'almost turned into paste', Kimmimaros bone armour was completely unharmed. Once it hits him, it burns his skin, and goes away with his skin. If he where to get hit, he is moving away, not staying in one spot and letting her hit him again.
That means that a wall has the same melting point as the Ribcage Susanoo, I don't see what that proves here. Anything that happens to Kimmimaros skin will not phase him at all, so Acid Mist really won't be doing much to him as far as hinderances go.
My point is that acid doesn't do damage based on hardness/durability of an object. Acid ends up corroding an object through a chemical reaction which ends up dissolving the substance so it depends on how reactive the substance is. Read
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to get an understanding of how acid works. If most of the people are in agreement that even the 3rd Raikage would melt, I'm quite sure Kimimaro does as well.
For Hidden Mist you simply scatter a certain quantity of chakra. For Acid Mist you have to use you chakra for offensive purposes, naturally this would mean that you need to pour in more chakra to make the chakra damaging.
Since acid mist is a kkg, I'll agree it is slightly more chakra taxing but it is offensive because of its pH being less than seven while hidden mist has a pH of 7. Not because acid mist has more chakra.
I guess but then Kimi can't fight until he gets out of there. If this happens, either Mei keeps on putting in more acid in the air until Kimimaro suffocates, the bone melts or she stops wasting chakra and let's the mist clear. If the mist clears, Kimi will likely come out but he'd get hit by Yoton right when that happens.
You are trying to use real life logic here which won't work. A characters hair is always unaffected after an explosion even if their skin is extremely damaged, this is virtually the same situation.
The difference is that damage to hair doesn't negatively impact the person, so for cosmetic purposes, the author doesn't draw it out. Next you'll be saying that acid mist is breathable just because Sasuke didn't suffocate but do realize he didn't spend much time in the mist and the vast majority was blocked by susanoo. If poison gas can go into the body, acid mist should as well because it is a vapour.
When you apply heat to a solid 'meltable substance' such as ice the water molecules abosorb the heat. After applying a certain amount of heat the ice 'melts.' The energy transferred as heat causes the water molecules to vibrate, to the point where they can no longer remain in the solid state. Adding further energy to the now liquid water continues to increases the molecules' vibrations. With sufficient energy they break away from one another to form a gas - steam.
While water consists entirely of molecules of H2O, skin is made of many different compounds, including water, proteins such as keratin and collagen, and elements found in fatty tissue and blood vessels. Adding heat to skin increases the vibration of molecules in the skin. Rather than melt a number of things can happen. Heat can denature proteins, causing them to become inactive and form solid clumps of material. It can also ignite materials in your skin causing direct burns.
Recent sensational stories in the news media about 'flesh eating bacteria' mention cases of microbes 'melting' flesh. However, this interpretation is far from true (skin can't melt.. right?), and is more than often a great overstatement of what really happens. The disease in question is called necrotizing fascitis. Some virulent strains of bacteria produce potent toxins that kill skin cells. If the microbes colonize a wound or other infected site they can cause serious damage. The disease is rare in the US, particularly in healthy epople ( 500 -1000 cases per year).The infected area produces a lot of pus, fluid and dead skin that sloughs from the site, perhaps giving an impression of melting flesh.
Well you're confusing temperature melting with acidic melting. Not to mention the components of skin do infact melt but at different rates so eventually the skin will decay or cease to exist. You do realize there is water in the body and that will evaporate? No water means dehydration which means death.
In the previous paragraph, you said skin does not melt but right before that, you were saying I shouldn't use real life logic because real life logic =/= manga logic. I agree with that but sometimes the two coincide. Do realize that you are contradicting the manga logic of skin melting as a result of acid mist. Mei's statement (
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Futton Koumu no Jutsu
Without exception everything exposed to the boil vapor will melt.
The Jutsu is vomited from the mouth like breath, it causes skin, flesh, and blood, to melt. The body melts due to it possessing a powerful acid property. Chakra defense are melted and nullified. In the face of it's power Sasuke's absolute defense Susano'o could not bare it, and it's chakra defense melted.
You said he woud be screaming in pain, screaming in pain is screaming in pain, ugh is not screaming in pain. If Sasuke only said ugh once, despite already suffering injuries before hand, then someone who is a lot more pain tolerant then Sasuke like Kimmimaro won't show any signs of pain at all. Period.
My point was that Mei would still know Kimi's location so my point is still valid even if my words weren't. Sasuke has shown pain resistance feats as well (
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Like I said. Sure, it will make it harder to see, but it won't make it near impossible like in Hidden Mists case (or at least Zabuzas hidden mist). Perhaps its the same as Mei's Hidden Mist.
Why would Zabuza's hidden mist be more potent in terms of visual obstruction? Regardless as Muu commented, Mei's was good enough to block Rinnegan's field of vision (
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If two story sized bones come out of the ground, Mei does not exactly have a choice of what she hits. That battlefield was HUGE. Kimmimaro won't be hit because he is more then fast enough to avoid it, and he can put bones in the way. And if he where to ever be hit by it, he is not staying in the lava, he is instantly jumping out. Sasuke was not even looking at the attack, he sensed it coming and side-stepped because it was in front of him already. Furthermore, he did not want to ditch Karin. Who said he couldn't get out of the way? Just because he decided to use Susanoo to block does not mean he couldn't get out of the way. His expression did not give away any sort of hint that he wouldn't be able to dodge it. BTW, her Yoton couldn't damage Sasukes Ribcage Susanoo at all, which only proves my point that its not burning through Kimmimaro instantly.
and if bones come from the ground, Mei can be anywhere on the battlefield so chances are those bones aren't directly in between Mei and Kimimaro. If we operate under the assumption that Kimimaro can see through the mist, Mei can as well which means she'll be able to change the trajectory of her aim even if Kimimaro moves away because she can obviously visually keep up with him and move where her mouth is pointing. Do bare in mind that after Ay punched Madara,
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and managed to anticipate where Madara would land even though Ay had just transferred his momentum into Madara when he punched him. Sasuke sidestepped it because he wasn't fast enough to get through the hole, the attack wasn't in front of him, it was coming from behind him. Sasuke didn't want to ditch Karin yet he at some point has ditched pretty much all of his comrades whether it be Team 7, Team Taka, Tobi, etc. Never said Yoton burns through Kimimaro instantly, it will sweep through his skin and bones eventually hitting his vitals thus killing him. Why would Sasuke use susanoo if he could casually dodge that attack?
Actually I would have to disagree with you on that, I think if Gaara puts sufficient force into his attack with sand that covers Ribcage Susanoo entirely, he would be able to at least chip the bones. Mei's Yoton did not do a thing to Ribcage Susanoo right away either. lol Kimmimaro's skin was what was 'almost turned into paste', Kimmimaros bone armour was completely unharmed. Once it hits him, it burns his skin, and goes away with his skin. If he where to get hit, he is moving away, not staying in one spot and letting her hit him again.
There is a reason why Gaara wasn't the one to attack Madara's ribcage even though the other four kages did. It is simply because he knows his sand can't breach ribcage. So according to you, lava burns his skin but somehow goes away with his skin? Not at all, it will stick to his body as he'll be drenched in that liquid. Not to mention skin and bones have pores so it gives the lava the ability to seep through and go inside him. If Kimimaro is drenched in lava, how is he running away? Does he have that level of pain tolerance? Most certainly not.
Regardless Mei can start off with a water dragon instead which Kimimaro can either possibly dodge or possibly tank. Whether he does either, the water dragon has two purposes.
1. It blinds Kimimaro and forces him to focus on the water dragon.
2. It allows Mei to use the force of the suiton to propel herself towards Kimimaro's position much like she managed to h
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From thereon, Mei will get an opening to hit Kimi with lava and I've already proved Mei's jutsu execution speed in a previous post.
But Mei's futton never went to an outdoor place, it was merely moving quickly to random places that were indoors. So as I agree that her Futton is potent at low levels, outdoors is completely different from indoors. Outdoors will allow it for spread in every direction, indoors it was only going one way initially. Spitting out more will only make up for what was lost indoors. Given time however, the Futton will be inexistent.
I disagree because when the hidden mist was used (
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creating an incredible shockwave which was stopped with a
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It does not blind
Kimi's eyes will not burn since Sasuke's eyes did not either. Sasuke's skin was in fact affected by acid, yet his cornea was completely unaffected (despite the fact he should've instantly been blinded).
Kimimaroo is extremely pain tolerant. He didnt't make a sound to Gaara's sand coffin which made him bleed pretty badly. No reason he'll be screaming in pain when while umhealthy, the only thing moving him was will power. She'll only be damaging replaceable bone he has shown to heal.
Well unless you are implying that it is easier to create a burning sensation on skin compared to eyes, I suggest you put soap in your eye and compare that to soap on the skin. Sasuke was already suffering from the drawbacks of the MS so that damage would blend in. Not to mention that Sasuke=/=Kimimaro as Sasuke had an external shield blocking out the acidic effects and has eyes more powerful than Kimi's. There is also the fact that Sasuke ended up losing his eyesight far faster than all the other MS users in the manga even though he barely used it in comparison to the others so this fight may have had negative repercussions for him that no other MS user had to go through.
Which he'll be healing. Yet it isn't the case since the mist will be dispersing at a quick rate, so sensing in that way would be harder than purely waiting out its duration.
No, that's only if he's burried under 200 meters of pressured sand, which won't be the case here. And you need to realise Mei does not know Kimimaro is putting his hands on the ground while within the mist, so she's not shooting a random lava. Thus Bone Forest is accomplished, and casually.
Being out of sight 200 m underground gave him enough time to grow his bone forest. You do realize that Mei doesn't have to completely obscure the vision in the mist as long as Kimimaro is also getting blinded from the acidic effects. Not only that but Mei can realize what is going on through the sound of bones emerging from the ground.
What is your opinion on the lava anyway? I'll update my first post in this thread to be more elaborate in case you want a better argument from my part.
My point is that acid doesn't do damage based on hardness/durability of an object. Acid ends up corroding an object through a chemical reaction which ends up dissolving the substance so it depends on how reactive the substance is. Read
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to get an understanding of how acid works. If most of the people are in agreement that even the 3rd Raikage would melt, I'm quite sure Kimimaro does as well.
A bone is x4 more resistent to acid then muscle is. It takes sulfuric Acid mixed with water 12 hours to dissolve muscle and 2 days for bones. Now granted, Mei's acid is likely far more potent sulphuric acid mixed with water due to having chakra poured into it, but Kimmimaros bones also have chakra poured into them, so they should have a far greater resistance as well. Btw, just because majority says something does not make it right, furthermore, the majority said acid wins, they did not say how much time it takes, so it proves nothing.
Since acid mist is a kkg, I'll agree it is slightly more chakra taxing but it is offensive because of its pH being less than seven while hidden mist has a pH of 7. Not because acid mist has more chakra.
Its PH being reduced is the cause of pouring in more chakra.
I guess but then Kimi can't fight until he gets out of there. If this happens, either Mei keeps on putting in more acid in the air until Kimimaro suffocates, the bone melts or she stops wasting chakra and let's the mist clear. If the mist clears, Kimi will likely come out but he'd get hit by Yoton right when that happens.
In all of your mini-scenarios it requires that Mei constantly pours chakra into the attack, which is the point of Kimmimaro hiding in the first place. If she uses the acidic mist, Kimmimaro gets burned and decides to retreat to save himself the energy. Kimmimaro will be resting in the bones, coming out of them every once in a while for a breath while Mei will be standing around wasting her chakra by pouring it into the acidic mist for no reason whatsoever as Kimmimaro will be resting. She will have to De-activate the Jutsu, but that won't replenish the chakra she poured into the Jutsu in the first place. Now Mei has lost chakra while Kimmimaro has but a burn on his skin, which he casually regens, or simply outright ignores. Yet another reason why the acidic mist is useless in an open area. If she can't continuesly apply pressure, the it does not serve its purpose of gradually weighing down the opponent.
The difference is that damage to hair doesn't negatively impact the person, so for cosmetic purposes, the author doesn't draw it out. Next you'll be saying that acid mist is breathable just because Sasuke didn't suffocate but do realize he didn't spend much time in the mist and the vast majority was blocked by susanoo. If poison gas can go into the body, acid mist should as well because it is a vapour.
Again you use real life logic, was it not stated that someone with Senju cells does not need to eat or drink at all? Either way, Ninjas can survive without water for far longer then humans can therefore dehydration has never been an issue and this is the first time I have seen it brought up in a debate. Its simply not happening.
In the previous paragraph, you said skin does not melt but right before that, you were saying I shouldn't use real life logic because real life logic =/= manga logic. I agree with that but sometimes the two coincide. Do realize that you are contradicting the manga logic of skin melting as a result of acid mist. Mei's statement (
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Fair enough, if the DB says that I cannot deny it.
My point was that Mei would still know Kimi's location so my point is still valid even if my words weren't. Sasuke has shown pain resistance feats as well (
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But your point is not valid because Kimmimaro won't be making any noises. Yes, and Kimmimaro basically does that to himself, if not worse, constantly during battle with NO emotion on his face.
Why would Zabuza's hidden mist be more potent in terms of visual obstruction? Regardless as Muu commented, Mei's was good enough to block Rinnegan's field of vision (
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Because he could be better at the Jutsu. It was harder to see in his mist then hers. Yes, I do, something like Lava is not hard to miss and its presence brings strong heat. The second it gets close, even if he does not outright see instantly, he will be thinking something's coming and once its within his field of vision he dodges. But like I said many times, even if he gets hit, he can jump away. The Yoton won't be instantly melting through his bone armour, far from instantly.
Mei can fire off her Yoton
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and if bones come from the ground, Mei can be anywhere on the battlefield so chances are those bones aren't directly in between Mei and Kimimaro. If we operate under the assumption that Kimimaro can see through the mist, Mei can as well which means she'll be able to change the trajectory of her aim even if Kimimaro moves away because she can obviously visually keep up with him and move where her mouth is pointing. Do bare in mind that after Ay punched Madara,
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and managed to anticipate where Madara would land even though Ay had just transferred his momentum into Madara when he punched him. Sasuke sidestepped it because he wasn't fast enough to get through the hole, the attack wasn't in front of him, it was coming from behind him. Sasuke didn't want to ditch Karin yet he at some point has ditched pretty much all of his comrades whether it be Team 7, Team Taka, Tobi, etc. Never said Yoton burns through Kimimaro instantly, it will sweep through his skin and bones eventually hitting his vitals thus killing him. Why would Sasuke use susanoo if he could casually dodge that attack?
Mei can spin 360 but she won't hit Kimmimaro, it will just be a waste of chakra. His movement range is not limited to the side, he can back-up as well. Furthermore, lets not forget that Kimmimaro is capable of long range as well and he could dodge whilst firing his long ranged attacks. The context of Mei's and Ay's combo is iffy. Its just as possible that she never had a pause in her attack, no anticipation would have been required. Its also possible that the AoE of the technique was simply enlarged, no anticipation would be required in that scenario either. Yes, Sasuke had no choice but to side-step the attack.....why is that so impressive? He was literally not even trying to look at her, all his concentration was to escape the room, suddenly he senses a attack coming and dodges it. There is nothing impressive about the attacks speed here. Except it won't do that, it will slide off his bones after burning through his skin. Lava is pretty viscous but its not outright glue, if it cannot burn through something instantly it will slide down. That's not even talking about CS2. He would use Susanoo because he needed it at that point anyways, he was surrounded by 7-8 enemies, consisting of 2 Kages, 1 Low-Kage level character and a handful of Jonins. He knew he couldn't escape without fighting them at that point since his escape route was sealed.
There is a reason why Gaara wasn't the one to attack Madara's ribcage even though the other four kages did. It is simply because he knows his sand can't breach ribcage. So according to you, lava burns his skin but somehow goes away with his skin? Not at all, it will stick to his body as he'll be drenched in that liquid. Not to mention skin and bones have pores so it gives the lava the ability to seep through and go inside him. If Kimimaro is drenched in lava, how is he running away? Does he have that level of pain tolerance? Most certainly not
Yes, that's because he had the greatest defence out of them by far and had to concentrate on that as such. Also because Madara can go beyond Ribcage Susanoo lol. And chipping Susanoo is not destroying and breaching Susanoo. Those are three reasons that say your wrong. You are assuming he will be drenched in the liquid, but that won't happen. She would be lucky to graze him with Yoton at the end of the day. I am speaking of the scenario that some of the lava spills onto his body, not that he literally gets soaked in it Ice Bucket challenge style. There is a reason why Ay had to punch Madara into the lava. And btw, yes, Kimmimaro does have that level of pain tolerance. He was perfectly fine after having much of his skin crushed crushed by sand coffin. I honestly don't think there is much that can phase him as far as pain goes. Even when literally at his death bed due to sickness, he was walking around with pure will power alone (by his own admission).
2. It allows Mei to use the force of the suiton to propel herself towards Kimimaro's position much like she managed to h
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From thereon, Mei will get an opening to hit Kimi with lava and I've already proved Mei's jutsu execution speed in a previous post.
A bone is x4 more resistent to acid then muscle is. It takes sulfuric Acid mixed with water 12 hours to dissolve muscle and 2 days for bones. Now granted, Mei's acid is likely far more potent sulphuric acid mixed with water due to having chakra poured into it, but Kimmimaros bones also have chakra poured into them, so they should have a far greater resistance as well. Btw, just because majority says something does not make it right, furthermore, the majority said acid wins, they did not say how much time it takes, so it proves nothing.
Once again if you read my arguments, I didn't say acid mist melts Kimimaro instantly. I said it hinders him long enough for Mei to take him out with lava. A
In all of your mini-scenarios it requires that Mei constantly pours chakra into the attack, which is the point of Kimmimaro hiding in the first place. If she uses the acidic mist, Kimmimaro gets burned and decides to retreat to save himself the energy. Kimmimaro will be resting in the bones, coming out of them every once in a while for a breath while Mei will be standing around wasting her chakra by pouring it into the acidic mist for no reason whatsoever as Kimmimaro will be resting. She will have to De-activate the Jutsu, but that won't replenish the chakra she poured into the Jutsu in the first place. Now Mei has lost chakra while Kimmimaro has but a burn on his skin, which he casually regens, or simply outright ignores. Yet another reason why the acidic mist is useless in an open area. If she can't continuesly apply pressure, the it does not serve its purpose of gradually weighing down the opponent.
No at some point, Mei will end up dousing Kimi with lava. The acid mist is just a hinderance and fusing with a bone requires Kimi to use bone forest and that itself requires chakra to be fused with a bone so it isn't like Kimi isn't wasting chakra either. All Mei has to do is stop using more jutsu and simply use lava on the bone with which Kimimaro fuses which we know is far less durable than the bones on Kimimaro's body based on the fact senjutsu enhanced bone forest got casually cut down with a
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whereas a much thinner bone from the real Kimimaro
Yes his skin got burnt even though most of the acid mist was blocked by susanoo. Now imagine what would happen to Sasuke if he doesn't have susanoo on? Only a small portion of the gas he inhaled was corrosive but without susanoo, there would be a lot more corrosive gas.
Again you use real life logic, was it not stated that someone with Senju cells does not need to eat or drink at all? Either way, Ninjas can survive without water for far longer then humans can therefore dehydration has never been an issue and this is the first time I have seen it brought up in a debate. Its simply not happening.
, killing them. Pretty sure Mei's lava would do the same if given a few seconds. I've seen dehydration brought up in a Suigetsu VS Asuma debate though.
But your point is not valid because Kimmimaro won't be making any noises. Yes, and Kimmimaro basically does that to himself, if not worse, constantly during battle with NO emotion on his face.
Wouldn't the sizzling sound of flesh melting be a noise that can give off Kimimaro's location? When Tsunade was hit by Madara's katon, she made noise (
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Because he could be better at the Jutsu. It was harder to see in his mist then hers. Yes, I do, something like Lava is not hard to miss and its presence brings strong heat. The second it gets close, even if he does not outright see instantly, he will be thinking something's coming and once its within his field of vision he dodges. But like I said many times, even if he gets hit, he can jump away. The Yoton won't be instantly melting through his bone armour, far from instantly.
Okay that means Mei can see Kimimaro even more easily since its her own jutsu and she has bound to get used to seeing in her own jutsu. I doubt Kimimaro will be able to dodge lava, Madara had a clear view on Mei's lava and only physically
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despite both Mei and the lava being in clear sight. Madara>>>>Kimimaro in speed and reactions so put Kimimaro in a state where his reactions are decreased due to pain and vision obstruction, he gets hit.
How is Kimimaro going to be moving while covered in lava? Pretty sure he'd collapse due to the immense heat and acidity before the lava is removed. Even if he could run around, it would be in a very haphazard way with no finesse allowing Mei to exploit Kimi's plight and douse him with more lava.
Mei can spin 360 but she won't hit Kimmimaro, it will just be a waste of chakra. His movement range is not limited to the side, he can back-up as well. Furthermore, lets not forget that Kimmimaro is capable of long range as well and he could dodge whilst firing his long ranged attacks. The context of Mei's and Ay's combo is iffy. Its just as possible that she never had a pause in her attack, no anticipation would have been required. Its also possible that the AoE of the technique was simply enlarged, no anticipation would be required in that scenario either. Yes, Sasuke had no choice but to side-step the attack.....why is that so impressive? He was literally not even trying to look at her, all his concentration was to escape the room, suddenly he senses a attack coming and dodges it. There is nothing impressive about the attacks speed here. Except it won't do that, it will slide off his bones after burning through his skin. Lava is pretty viscous but its not outright glue, if it cannot burn through something instantly it will slide down. That's not even talking about CS2. He would use Susanoo because he needed it at that point anyways, he was surrounded by 7-8 enemies, consisting of 2 Kages, 1 Low-Kage level character and a handful of Jonins. He knew he couldn't escape without fighting them at that point since his escape route was sealed.
I know Kimimaro can backup but if the lava is coming at him directly, as Sasuke has shown, he wasn't fast enough to get through the opening before the lava blocked it so if the lava has already been fired, Kimimaro won't be able to go backwards in time to escape the range. Even still, putting Kimimaro on the defensive like that is in Mei's favour as her ability to spam lava (going by your context of the Ay + Mei combo) means she'll eventually hit him while Kimimaro gets overwhelmed with the constant barrage of attacks. Okay so I'll give you the point about Sasuke using susanoo because he was up against multiple opponents.
Yes, that's because he had the greatest defence out of them by far and had to concentrate on that as such. Also because Madara can go beyond Ribcage Susanoo lol. And chipping Susanoo is not destroying and breaching Susanoo. Those are three reasons that say your wrong. You are assuming he will be drenched in the liquid, but that won't happen. She would be lucky to graze him with Yoton at the end of the day. I am speaking of the scenario that some of the lava spills onto his body, not that he literally gets soaked in it Ice Bucket challenge style. There is a reason why Ay had to punch Madara into the lava. And btw, yes, Kimmimaro does have that level of pain tolerance. He was perfectly fine after having much of his skin crushed crushed by sand coffin. I honestly don't think there is much that can phase him as far as pain goes. Even when literally at his death bed due to sickness, he was walking around with pure will power alone (by his own admission).
Madara can go beyond ribcage susanoo but the kages still attacked him while he had ribcage on. Yes because Madara is tiers faster than Kimimaro or do you want me to prove this in a lengthy post. I'll do this for you later on. Kimimaro isn't sick in scenario one?
I disagree because when the hidden mist was used (
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creating an incredible shockwave which was stopped with a
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Because Hidden Mist does not escape in ways like Futton does [
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Well unless you are implying that it is easier to create a burning sensation on skin compared to eyes, I suggest you put soap in your eye and compare that to soap on the skin. Sasuke was already suffering from the drawbacks of the MS so that damage would blend in. Not to mention that Sasuke=/=Kimimaro as Sasuke had an external shield blocking out the acidic effects and has eyes more powerful than Kimi's. There is also the fact that Sasuke ended up losing his eyesight far faster than all the other MS users in the manga even though he barely used it in comparison to the others so this fight may have had negative repercussions for him that no other MS user had to go through.
Hence real world physics is often disregarded in manga logic. And no, it wouldn't. His eyes would go blind from acid, and he'd be in a shit load of pain from it. Yet no signs of any of that, and no signs of his cornea dissolving (which would be the fastest process since it's made of protein). Clearly, and indubitably no damage to his eyes, unless you can prove otherwise. And that'll be hard with no pain, no damage, no effect on his sight, etc.
Kimi's only been shown healing his bone cells but I agree that the mist won't finish him off. It leaves openings for him to be hit by yoton.
Yes, which is the first layer of his body (seems to have skin which is composed of bone).
Being out of sight 200 m underground gave him enough time to grow his bone forest. You do realize that Mei doesn't have to completely obscure the vision in the mist as long as Kimimaro is also getting blinded from the acidic effects. Not only that but Mei can realize what is going on through the sound of bones emerging from the ground.
Doesn't matter, she won't be able to do anything if she's put up the mist. She can't see him after he's out of her vision, period. Puts his hands and the bones emerge. She still won't know his location, and she still won't know what's happening beneath the ground, let alone bones occurring.
What is your opinion on the lava anyway? I'll update my first post in this thread to be more elaborate in case you want a better argument from my part.
^pretty sure Mei has at least some expertise in the Silent Killing, or it wouldn't make sense for her to have the Hidden Mist jutsu at all. It's not like her mist is going to impair her senses nearly as bad as it impairs Kimimaro's.
Just because Kimimaro was able to cause problems for a bunch of gennins we shouldn't overestimate him to a Kage's level. Mei hinders his movement by spitting lava all over the battlefield, she clouds his vision with her Kirigakure no jutsu then she proceeds to melt him in CqC using her futton. If somehow Kimimaro still can get past her corrosive acid cloud, then she can send him flying with a water dragon bullet.
Once again if you read my arguments, I didn't say acid mist melts Kimimaro instantly. I said it hinders him long enough for Mei to take him out with lava. A
Not really, hidden mist is scattering chakra while Acid Mist is scattering chakra and reducing its PH with more chakra.
No at some point, Mei will end up dousing Kimi with lava. The acid mist is just a hinderance and fusing with a bone requires Kimi to use bone forest and that itself requires chakra to be fused with a bone so it isn't like Kimi isn't wasting chakra either. All Mei has to do is stop using more jutsu and simply use lava on the bone with which Kimimaro fuses which we know is far less durable than the bones on Kimimaro's body based on the fact senjutsu enhanced bone forest got casually cut down with a
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That will simply never happen, given his speed and lack thereof for lava.
1) Mei has no way of knowing what bone Kimmimaro is hiding within.
2) He could hide at the very top of a bone or at the very bottom, either way, even if she burns the bottom portion does not mean she is burning Kimmimaro himself.
3) Kabuto's bones pale in comparison to Kimmimaros, no point of bringing them up here. You could tell by both the size and the width of the bones that Kabuto's are hundreds of times smaller. And btw, V2 Susanoo swipe > Samurai sword slash.
Yes his skin got burnt even though most of the acid mist was blocked by susanoo. Now imagine what would happen to Sasuke if he doesn't have susanoo on? Only a small portion of the gas he inhaled was corrosive but without susanoo, there would be a lot more corrosive gas
The fact that it did not phase him at all in that aspect, leads me to believe that it really won't make a difference.
Pakura's scorch style instantly
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, killing them. Pretty sure Mei's lava would do the same if given a few seconds. I've seen dehydration brought up in a Suigetsu VS Asuma debate though.
Yes, literally ALL the liquid in ones body. Yoton certainly won't do that.
Wouldn't the sizzling sound of flesh melting be a noise that can give off Kimimaro's location? When Tsunade was hit by Madara's katon, she made noise (
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). Same with Itachi (
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). Acid does continuous damage all over the body unlike the localized impact of katon.
Pretty sure that's because fire is extremely hot, acid is not.
Okay that means Mei can see Kimimaro even more easily since its her own jutsu and she has bound to get used to seeing in her own jutsu. I doubt Kimimaro will be able to dodge lava, Madara had a clear view on Mei's lava and only physically
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despite both Mei and the lava being in clear sight. Madara>>>>Kimimaro in speed and reactions so put Kimimaro in a state where his reactions are decreased due to pain and vision obstruction, he gets hit.
Again, just because he chose not to dodge in that particular instance does not mean he cannot dodge. If he was even trying to dodge he would have at least been in the position to do so, yet he had his calm analytical pose. You could clearly see it was as simply as jumping up to dodge it, if I could jump high even I would be able to dodge it.
How is Kimimaro going to be moving while covered in lava? Pretty sure he'd collapse due to the immense heat and acidity before the lava is removed. Even if he could run around, it would be in a very haphazard way with no finesse allowing Mei to exploit Kimi's plight and douse him with more lava.
I know Kimimaro can backup but if the lava is coming at him directly, as Sasuke has shown, he wasn't fast enough to get through the opening before the lava blocked it so if the lava has already been fired, Kimimaro won't be able to go backwards in time to escape the range. Even still, putting Kimimaro on the defensive like that is in Mei's favour as her ability to spam lava (going by your context of the Ay + Mei combo) means she'll eventually hit him while Kimimaro gets overwhelmed with the constant barrage of attacks. Okay so I'll give you the point about Sasuke using susanoo because he was up against multiple opponents.
Again, it doesn't matter because Sasuke was not looking at the lava until the very last second and Kimmimaro will be looking at it all the way, since his attention is on Mei. If she spams, she will run out of chakra and Kimmimaro might still be unharmed.
Madara can go beyond ribcage susanoo but the kages still attacked him while he had ribcage on. Yes because Madara is tiers faster than Kimimaro or do you want me to prove this in a lengthy post. I'll do this for you later on. Kimimaro isn't sick in scenario one?
Yes because there is no point in covering his Susanoo in sand only for a) Chipping Susanoo b) Madara blowing out of the sand by entering the next stage of Susanoo. Madara is faster then Kimmimaro but the Kages don't know how fast he is (Ōnoki might, but he wasn't talking at that point) and yet they still resorted to Ay punching him into the lava.
It is not just about blinding him, it is about being distracted much like how he was distracted by
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but then immediately grabbed by
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. Already countered CQC in my first post. Mei is an anti CQC fighter anyway, that's not a problem for her.
The difference is that Gaara can use sand drizzle and other sand related moves at the exact same time. Mei can't use more then one Jutsu at a time. You said how she can avoid CQC, you never talked about a scenario where CQC actually happens and let me tell you, it IS going to happen. Furthermore, once Kimi uses Sawarabi No Mai, he can easily force a CQC battle and attack her before she can weave any hand seals like he did with Gaara. Mei gets absolutely man handled in a CQC battle with Kimmimaro.
^pretty sure Mei has at least some expertise in the Silent Killing, or it wouldn't make sense for her to have the Hidden Mist jutsu at all. It's not like her mist is going to impair her senses nearly as bad as it impairs Kimimaro's.
If you reread my argument, you'd realise that I never refuted the fact that she has better capabilities within the Mist. I'm merely suggesting if Kimimaro is standing still and calm/puts his hands on the floor while Mei is releasing the mist (IC) there's no reason for him to be sensed since I'm not about to give her Zabuza's feats of hearing, which Kakashi said are second to none.
