Aoda will be challenging but I see no reason why Naruto can't simply summon his boss toads which can take care of Aoda but at the same time be cautious of sasukes enton variants. Anyways regarding sasuke's sussano will be hard to bypass but it should be noted that we have seen Ay[
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] both capable of braking and cracking madaras sussano. Now regarding Ay im aware of the fact that he had Onoki's help but you get the point. The thing is Sasuke's sussano continuously getting overwhelmed with various massive rasegans which IMO will eventually bypass sasukes sussano thus also harming sasuke.
and sasuke threw up a defense before the raikage got to him
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sasuke isn't faster but he has the sharingan and can predict where he is going to go and shoot an arrow there.
and sasuke's speed is closer than you'd like to think
and sasuke threw up a defense before the raikage got to him
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sasuke isn't faster but he has the sharingan and can predict where he is going to go and shoot an arrow there.
and sasuke's speed is closer than you'd like to think
You're wanking is off the charts! Sauske was scared shitless he didn't know where Raikage was coming from, still Sauske got decimated, if he didn't have is amateratsu or susanoo he would of died right there.
Aoda will be challenging but I see no reason why Naruto can't simply summon his boss toads which can take care of Aoda but at the same time be cautious of sasukes enton variants. Anyways regarding sasuke's sussano will be hard to bypass but it should be noted that we have seen Ay[
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] both capable of braking and cracking madaras sussano. Now regarding Ay im aware of the fact that he had Onoki's help but you get the point. The thing is Sasuke's sussano continuously getting overwhelmed with various massive rasegans which IMO will eventually bypass sasukes sussano thus also harming sasuke.
the toads die instantly when summoned because they are huge amaterasu targets, thus becoming noneffective at halting aoda. aoda's dodging ability prevents sasuke's suanoo from even being hit and when naruto slows down to attack he becomes very vulnerable to enton arrows
Aoda will be challenging but I see no reason why Naruto can't simply summon his boss toads which can take care of Aoda but at the same time be cautious of sasukes enton variants. Anyways regarding sasuke's sussano will be hard to bypass but it should be noted that we have seen Ay[
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] and Tsunade[
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] both capable of braking and cracking madaras sussano. Now regarding Ay im aware of the fact that he had Onoki's help but you get the point. The thing is Sasuke's sussano continuously getting overwhelmed with various massive rasegans which IMO will eventually bypass sasukes sussano thus also harming sasuke.
Naruto trying to use a summoning to counters sasuke is bad he can either controll it or use amaterasu its looks like a jinton was shot thru Madara susanoo also naruto giant rasengan didnt put a sratch on madara susanoo anything with more power only fuels enton if naurto is attacks with aireal assults he isnt dodging Enton Magatamas also sasuke susanoo would'nt have to tank those rasengan his giant enton blade disects his clones before getting close
You're wanking is off the charts! Sauske was scared shitless he didn't know where Raikage was coming from, still Sauske got decimated, if he didn't have is amateratsu or susanoo he would of died right there.
thats why he has susanoo and amaterasu:snick: and the last panel sasuke looking at the raikage didn't look scared to me. and the raikage wouldn't have been able to walk after that fight and the points of enton would have cut the leg off preventing sasuke from getting decimated
this thread is km naruto also only forms of sasuke susanoo that has been broke was ribcage actually thats the only form of susanoo to ever break just a random poster lmfao i seen 2mny of your post your an uchiha hater just admitt it we all know calling me a fanboy how ironic when your the even worst when its comes to minato and saying his susanoo was broke with no effort didnt juubito break hashirama falling pillars & barrier with his bare hand? and destroyed edo minato arm with no effort Itachi was using taijutsu alone against naruto never once tryed genjutsu and when him & naruto old encounters he used genjutsu to take him down in seconds naruto is to dumb genjutsu shits on him dont underrated sasuke genjutsu when it got deidara someone who prepared for genjutsu his hole life also danzo & oro sasuke has caught everyone itachi has except naruto in that happens here
Itachi was controlled by Kabuto to capture Jinchurikis, so he was fighting for real, yet he never put Naruto in a genjutsu. Yes he was put before, but Naruto learnt from his previous encounter reason why he even warned Bee. Btw Itachi is one of my favourite characters:
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Not gonna try to convince you however U_U You can think what you want U_U
thats why he has susanoo and amaterasu:snick: and the last panel sasuke looking at the raikage didn't look scared to me. and the raikage wouldn't have been able to walk after that fight and the points of enton would have cut the leg off preventing sasuke from getting decimated
i still have a feeling that sasuke doesnt completely have his EMS completely down yet and his current susano is nothing like madaras final version yet he still hasent gone through that phase i undoubtably know BM naruto can break through sasukes current susano but like i said sasukes final susano form we still havent seen yet and it will be obviously be much much stronger
basically what im saying is sasukes current susano hasent reached its final form yet and BM naruto can break it though idk about KCM naruto thats a tough one
Itachi was controlled by Kabuto to capture Jinchurikis, so he was fighting for real, yet he never put Naruto in a genjutsu. Yes he was put before, but Naruto learnt from his previous encounter reason why he even warned Bee. Btw Itachi is one of my favourite characters:
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Not gonna try to convince you however U_U You can think what you want U_U
knowledge doesn't equal prevention. kakashi had full knowledge but he was sill put in a genjutsu, itachi didn't try to put naruto in one at all, he was focused on killer b
i still have a feeling that sasuke doesnt completely have his EMS completely down yet and his current susano is nothing like madaras final version yet he still hasent gone through that phase i undoubtably know BM naruto can break through sasukes current susano but like i said sasukes final susano form we still havent seen yet and it will be obviously be much much stronger
basically what im saying is sasukes current susano hasent reached its final form yet and BM naruto can break it though idk about KCM naruto thats a tough one
Itachi was controlled by Kabuto to capture Jinchurikis, so he was fighting for real, yet he never put Naruto in a genjutsu. Yes he was put before, but Naruto learnt from his previous encounter reason why he even warned Bee. Btw Itachi is one of my favourite characters:
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Not gonna try to convince you however U_U You can think what you want U_U
itachi was not trying catch them he even was warning them himself also he got Killerbee instead of naruto just because he didnt do dont mean its possibly also sasuke and itachi genjutsu style is completely different so comparing them is absurd
Itachi's goal was to stop Edo Tensei, but indirectly his main goal was to stop Edo Madara. Notice that Kishi even purposely showed the parallels between Itachi's doings and Madara's
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The reason behind this is because at that time, almost all Edos were already sealed or defeated, so the only threat that remained as an Edo was Madara Like Kabuto even said, Itachi should be careful in his doings because he may not even be able to stop what could be stopped and cause the opposite to happen(and again Kishi shows the parallels with Madara)
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I don't think it was said for nothing Itachi eventually managed to release the seal, but here is where i believe Itachi failed again. Like Dan said, when a Edo is about to be released, he can control his own body
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Like Madara said, when a Edo knows the seal, he can release the summoning contract. But since he was bound by Kabuto, he couldn't before. So basically, Itachi gave him the possibility to do so at the moment he released the Edo-souls recklessly Madara said it himself. Never use a forbidden technique recklessly. This message wasn't to Kabuto, but to Itachi who recklessly released the souls. He even asked himself just before if it was all
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Now know it wasn't the case at all Now Madara is threatening the entire world and Itachi is indirectly responsible of that. Like Kabuto said
1- Kakashi fought Itachi and knows some extent of his power, even recognised that Itachi still had some jutsus in his sleeves, but this same Kakashi did say that no one besides Naruto maybe can surpass Minato:
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So from Kakashi's point of view, Minato > Itachi
2- Jiraya also saw Itachi in action, saw Amaterasu and when he used tsukuyomi on Sasuke, saw some extent of his power. In fact, by portrayal, Jiraya is put on Itachi's level if not higher.
But even him still believed that everyone is pale in comparison to the 4th who had unparalled capacities:
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So from Jiraya's point of view, Minato > Itachi
3- Itachi himself admitted that Minato was a great hokage
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4- Hiruzen himself(God of Shinobi) qualified Minato as THE hero of the village
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Curiously, kishi purposely portrays Minato in this scene just how to show how powerful Minato use. The fact is that Hiruzen used Minato's technique(albeit with less control) to defeat 2Hokages(Hashirama and Tobirama), and almost defeating Orochimaru along with them if not his old age(taking all his techniques with him though)
5- By feats, Minato without knowledge on his opponent he saw for the first time, fought and found his way to beat the crap out of Obito(who had full knowledge on Minato's abilities) and save the village and the future of the world by sealing the Kyubi's yin chakra forever and create the ultimate shinobi or saviour(Naruto). That Obito became apparently Itachi's master probably teaching or learning him everything
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But more importantly, Itachi on the other hand with time advantage to analyse Obito thru decades admitted inferiority to Obito(who he thought was Madara) and mentioned the fact that he needed EMS to be able to surpass him
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6- Obito said Itachi accomplished nothing else than the fail part
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Itachi self admitted that he was a failure
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Minato on the other hand was said to be someone who never makes errors
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7- A saw or know the extent of all MS techniques(tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, Susanoo), but still believed that no one could surpass Minato
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8- Kishi himself says that Minato had an unrivalled strength
Before Itachi fans flame me, i would like you to read the thread entirely please. U_U Like the title say, i believe Obito has always been stronger than Itachi even before taking the Rinnengan. I personally thought it was obvious, but i saw people thinking otherwise. It's for that reason that i wanted to create this thread to clear up some misconceptions
Misconception number1: Obito said Itachi could have killed him if he knew his secret
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"Fortunately, i managed to keep a few secrets even from him... If i had not, i'd be dead right now"
Why are people missing the right now Obito said? right now = at the present situation, so Obito obviously talking about what just happened at the moment, he was talking about the amaterasu trap, it's that he thought could have killed him had Itachi knew his secret. It had no relation with a battle situation
Secondly, why people forget the if he knew my secret? The fact remain that Itachi didn't know his secret and because of that his plan failed. This is a comparable situation to what Pain said about Jiraya. If Jiraya knew his secret, he would have won, but the fact remain that Jiraya didn't know and it's for that reason he lost
Misconception number2: Obito couldn't attack Konoha because of Itachi, so Obito feared Itachi
1- For those who really believe this, i would ask you something. What makes you believe Obito even wanted to attack the leaf at that moment to begin with? He spent 7years before even meeting Itachi. Why didn't he attack the leaf during that period? And suddenly after meeting Itachi, he would want to attack the leaf, but couldn't because of his fear?
2- It's said in the manga by Itachi himself that Akatsuki needed to seal the Kyubi at last for the stability of the demonic statue. Obito's goal is to complete the moon eye plan by using the fully reformed Juubi, so for that he needed to seal the Kyubi at last. It's for that reason that attacking the leaf or obtaining the Kyubi at that moment was unnecessary. He had other plans, he was even already working on other stuffs like taking control of the Yondaime Mizukage and perfect Jinchuriki(Yagura) to make kirigakure and the Sanbi his. His plan was going well since Akatsuki on the other side could do the job of capturing all the tailed beast up to the 9tails while himself was hiding himself in the shadow and waiting
Misconception number3: Obito never tried to kill Itachi
Obito had no reason to kill Itachi and the manga made it clear, but apparently some people missed a great part of this manga. He had no reason to kill Itachi because:
- He needed Itachi alive for Sasuke when the time come and take his revenge, awaken the Mangekyou Sharingan after killing Itachi himself, and manage to manipulate him to serve his own purposes. He was always waiting Sasuke patiently because he saw greater power in him and i suppose was easier to manipulate from his point of view. It's said
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that he was watching Sasuke's evolution and even in his databook
Now that i think i cleared some misconceptions, i would like to ask those who believe Itachi was stronger something like this
- Why didn't Itachi never try to kill someone like Obito when he probably knew he was a danger for the world?
- Why did he wait his death to create a Amaterasu trap as a fail safe to kill Obito?
The reason for me is simple. He wanted to save the world, but knew he wasn't strong enough to make a difference had a battle between the 2 had been, but since he knew he was going to die at some point, he tried with that amaterasu trap as a fail safe. Trying is always better than doing nothing anyway. Itachi knew however that Obito would try to manipulate Sasuke and serve his purposes and it's for that reason that he absolutely had to do something about it, reason why he wanted to use Kotoamatsukami to make him obey the leaf instead, unfortunately it also failed
Before the usual flaming that comes from Itachi fans when someone show his failures, i would like to point out that i'm not bashing Itachi, but want people to answer me this
Many times in this manga, it's said that Itachi was a spy in Akatsuki, but what did he really accomplish while being there? As far as i remember, he was always helping the enemy(Akatsuki) if anything else:
He helped kill Gaara (by stalling Kakashi's rescue crew, and helping to rip the beast out of Gaara), and Gaara was, and is, a firm ally of Konoha that would never let Suna go to war with it.*
He helped recruit Deidara to Akatsuki, and assisted in them getting the rest of the bijuus.
Itachi did nothing to stop Pain (the operating leader of Akatsuki) or give Konoha info on him (Jiraiya got all the intel on Pain at the cost of his life), and Pain crippled Tsunade and killed Jiraiya/Kakashi (who was basically the backup Hokage). Itachi also put Kakashi in the hospital 3 years ago, to the point where he was comatose that only getting Tsunade back could heal him.*
Itachi also had Oro in his clutches 7 years ago or whatever the timeline is, and he let someone that evil and anti-konoha go apparently, who ended up killing Hiruzen.*
Oh, and his failure to stop Obito (with Sasuke eye-trap or prior to that trap), who is messing up the world right now, which also got his brother to kill Danzo who was Hokage at the time of his death.*
Just giving some intel on Madara(Obito) and Pain (apparently he knew of Nagato) would have been nice for Konoha too
Itachi claims he is working for Konoha, but what did he really do for Konoha since he entered Akatsuki?*
Naruto is the one who spent his time to clear all his failures. Naruto got Chiyo to revive Gaara, got Tsunade to come back to Konoha to heal Sasuke and Kakashi and be Hokage after Hiruzen's death, beat Pain and convinced Nagato to revive everyone killed by his actions for akatsuki, is dealing with Obito and the free-roaming Madara, and Itachi left Sasuke to be Naruto's problem without Shisui's Koto to help now
So actually the real saviour here has always been Naruto. He is the one who did everything to hide Itachi's failures, so he should really be thankful for everything Naruto accomplished and will accomplish in the future
your threads & post proves otherwise what fan of character would go digging up dirt on there favorite character i bet we would'nt see of thread like with with minato's name
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