kcm naruto and dsm kabuto vs Ms obito

[Brother Numpsay]

Your entire argument is based around the fact that senjutsu, natural energy, and SM are different I agree. Hence you believe Natural energy is what the most basic characteristic available to all SM's is, while senjutsu is different. This scan is a VIZ scan, and could end your speculation

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Your words.

Wait was that scan suppose to prove me right or wrong? Elaborate on what you are trying to say.

 

[KidGamer65]

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Tayua's Genjutsu can: [

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]. How many seconds or minutes all 10 she implied is up in the air for personal opinion here. I personally believe it can last 5 minutes of Sound.

This doesn't really imply how long she can hold it, it simply implies that she has many other Genjutsu beside that one.

Kabuto's reaction/perceptual ability is much better then Obito, sorry I don't see it. As long has Kabuto has a partner, via Snake Naval or Sakon/doppelganger, Attempting to touch Kabuto is not happening without any consequences.

His perceptive ability being better than Obito's doesn't let him evade him when the latter is a teleporter who can phase through any attack, and having a partner isn't going to stop him as he can phase right through it when the attack is launched and touch Kabuto anyway. Once he's been touched he can't stop the warp.

Kidomaru's ability is called: Kumo Nenkin (Spider Sticky Gold). All of it comes from the same source, said by Neji[

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Neji said the

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, he never said that the regular webs was coming from the same source, especially when its shown in the anime that the webs are normal web colored while the Kumo Nenkin derived techniques are golden. That picture by Neji's words also only show the techniques used with Kumo Nenkin, not the normal spider webs, which are white in color.

As for summon: Makes sense that it carries the same priorities by default. But for proof: It slow down Neji's Rotation and Neji's comment[

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-That isn't Kumo Nenkin as shown above, Kumo Nenkin always becomes hard once exposed to air, if that was Kumo Nenkin it wouldn't have done what it did to Neji in that scan.

-Summons don't carry Kumo Nenkin either.

They are 3 of those things and all can have their own purpose. One can swirl around him, and other two can find the right opening. With Kabuto protecting the Doki's, its almost inescapable in the location given.

No, its not. Unless the Doki can cover the entire cave, then Obito can slip through the ground and reappear wherever he wants.

Why you say that? I may lack info on Obito's Mokuton, which Wood Release is able to rip though Senpo:Webs? Or were you talking about the Webs produce from the Summon. Fire Release is no where at the level as Blaze Release so no it not doing the same damage as Enton.

-Given the feats from his webs,

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will take care of them handily.

-It doesn't need to be at the same level to cut them. If a small Enton blade can easily cut them, then a Juubi sized Katon will get past them, but if it can't, its inconsequential, cause these webs won't let Kabuto stop Obito from grabbing him and if he's caught, then he simply phases out of it.

Well if you look at Manda I: Was was capable of enveloping Katsuyu and holding her while not allowing her to make movements. [

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] And then he was also capable of stopping Gamabunta's Sword slash with just his mouths which in return shocked Gamabunta. [

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] That's not all he is capable of. He also shown to easily tear throught the ground [

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] and he also managed to destroy the ground with just a single smack with his tail. [

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] Now concerning Nidaime Manda's strenght feats. She was capable of bitting the Turtle Island's tail and yanking it back, not allowing it to swim further. [

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] Then a moment after, she was capable of enveloping the Turtle, restricting it's movements. [

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Or strictly use his island-level weight capacity.

With those scans I shown you: Gated Guy was able to hit its down, tripping him. Kakashi Lightening Release help dragged him down. With the Bee and Naruto finishing it up with an upper cut. That something Manda II weight and limbs, can do alone.
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Gai and Kakashi didn't make the Mazo flinch in the slightest. Kakashi hit it with Raikiri and the Mazo didn't flinch. Gai hit its pinky toe and only caused it to yell out while B and Naruto are the ones who uppercut it. Your feats have Manda/Manda II physically besting things far inferior to the Mazo in physical strength.

-Katsuyu?
-Bunta?
-Turtle Island?

None of those guys have strength comparable to the Mazo in the slightest, but even if he knocks it down, it gets back up with little to no damage and fries him with chakra blasts that bust Mountains.

Those snakes aren't connected, those are part of his summons too [

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]<-- Which he had more around the Cave. If you count it, it more then Kabuto had when he attack (Which Sasuke and Itachi are holding right on that scan I shown).

Those snakes weren't around the cave, they were part of Kabuto.

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You can even hear his voice coming from them.

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Not to mention he said that they turned to liquid by sloughing off his skin and using his body fluids. More proof that those snakes were extensions of his body. They also regen, which is Kabuto's ability only.

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They rejoin and Kabuto emerges.

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He has shown to use it Multiple sections? I thought there was a charge?

There is a slight charge, but I meant he'd use it more times than once is all.

Nope this was before he had access his Sage Mode..
Also the difference between Manda I and II is that I has its mind of its own, and does whatever he wants. II is created and controlled by Kabuto himself [

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]. Genjutsu is not working here.

No, he pulled his hood over his face and retreated into the back of the cave, that isn't his real Genjutsu protection as shown in the fight.

Him controlling it doesn't mean it can't be controlled by Obito as well.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

This doesn't really imply how long she can hold it, it simply implies that she has many other Genjutsu beside that one.

It doesn't but by imply using more then one means an additional used. Adding=More use. More use= Span

His perceptive ability being better than Obito's doesn't let him evade him when the latter is a teleporter who can phase through any attack, and having a partner isn't going to stop him as he can phase right through it when the attack is launched and touch Kabuto anyway. Once he's been touched he can't stop the warp.

In order for him to phase other people, he must be solidify. If he attempts to touch Sakon can use to posses his body or snake can bite him, either way Obito will be force to retreat in his situation.

Neji said the

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, he never said that the regular webs was coming from the same source, especially when its shown in the anime that the webs are normal web colored while the Kumo Nenkin derived techniques are golden. That picture by Neji's words also only show the techniques used with Kumo Nenkin, not the normal spider webs, which are white in color.

Read Kidomaru's comment. And look at the first picture of Neji's example that I post. Those regular was goes come from the same source. If KumoNinkin is different then Kumosoukai this shouldnt of happen [

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-That isn't Kumo Nenkin as shown above, Kumo Nenkin always becomes hard once exposed to air, if that was Kumo Nenkin it wouldn't have done what it did to Neji in that scan.

-Summons don't carry Kumo Nenkin either.

Same as above. Kumo(Blah, Blah) in general comes from the same source: Kidomaru's chakra. Which concludes for me that it carries the same durability as all his Kumo. Kumo(Blah,Blach) all have different purposes but they are generally the same source. Kumo(Blah) can be sticky, elastic, or solidify.

Summons may not have the solidification.

No, its not. Unless the Doki can cover the entire cave, then Obito can slip through the ground and reappear wherever he wants.

Doki's are intangible too they can do anything intangible much like Obito...

-Given the feats from his webs,

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will take care of them handily.

Mokuton should be able to spread them out like plants uprooting from soil, but how does that scenario play out exactly? More webs can be added and more terrains will be added to benefits Kabuto and his summons.

-It doesn't need to be at the same level to cut them. If a small Enton blade can easily cut them, then a Juubi sized Katon will get past them, but if it can't, its inconsequential, cause these webs won't let Kabuto stop Obito from grabbing him and if he's caught, then he simply phases out of it.

I'm not talking about cutting but burning priorities. Enton is a higher degree to do the work. If Katon was enough Itach and Sasuke shouldn't of waste their time using a higher degree jutsu via Amaterasu.

Gai and Kakashi didn't make the Mazo flinch in the slightest. Kakashi hit it with Raikiri and the Mazo didn't flinch. Gai hit its pinky toe and only caused it to yell out while B and Naruto are the ones who uppercut it. Your feats have Manda/Manda II physically besting things far inferior to the Mazo in physical strength.

-Katsuyu?
-Bunta?
-Turtle Island?

Kakashi drag his hand down with Lightening Chain[

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].. Gai's purpose was to hit the pinky toe to trip Mazo. All that shows enough evidence of Manda II knocking him down with his own limbs and body weight. I don't want to say that Manda II picks him up and throws him away but it basically can. I still fail to conclude how Mazo even rapes here.

None of those guys have strength comparable to the Mazo in the slightest, but even if he knocks it down, it gets back up with little to no damage and fries him with chakra blasts that bust Mountains.

They don't but their teamwork did the job knocking him side ways regardless.

Those snakes weren't around the cave, they were part of Kabuto.

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You can even hear his voice coming from them.

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Not to mention he said that they turned to liquid by sloughing off his skin and using his body fluids. More proof that those snakes were extensions of his body. They also regen, which is Kabuto's ability only.

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They rejoin and Kabuto emerges.

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I don't think I need to break this down unless needed next reply. But isn't this jutsu basically Hidden Shadow Snake Hands? Because even so it still classify as a Summoning Tech.

There is a slight charge, but I meant he'd use it more times than once is all.

Right.. I still don't see it defeating Manda II, when Manda I was able to tank Katon+Oil just by shedding.

No, he pulled his hood over his face and retreated into the back of the cave, that isn't his real Genjutsu protection as shown in the fight.

Right, my point was showing the same scan of his Snakes looking at Itachi and Sasuke instead. Itachi and Sasuke could of put them in the Genjutsu but juding by Sasuke's comment, Kabuto was well prepared for his Snakes to deal with it by, via Sasuke's explanation

Him controlling it doesn't mean it can't be controlled by Obito as well.

Same as above to prevent the Genjutsu from working.

 

[MickNerks]

Naruto and Kabuto take this IMO.

Regular MS obito isn't strong enough to solo KM naruto, DSM Kabuto, and Edo Itachi at once.

Edo wasn't in restrictions so im assuming that they were fair game.

 

[Bronze]

Kabuto summons ET Madara and he does the job.

 

[Red Slayer]

mhh i think both Kabuto and Naruto can solo