1. You are clearly showing a pedantic attitude to prove a moot point. I was using 'kill' as a hyperbole, but you're attempting to act intelligent, while you refute nothing at all. Killed or not, it proves immense strength, and that doesn't change the message I initially conveyed.
2. Once again, you don't make sense with your grammar. I will simply reclaim what I was saying in the beginning. Jiraiya in imperfect SM can't do anything other than grant abilities exclusive to frog SM and mix senjutsu with his won inner chakra. Perfect SM grants exclusive and non exclusive feats, like Naruto. Don't understand what you were saying though so I may be wrong in what I attempted to comprehend.
3. Ummm what? Jiraiya did not use genjutsu, it was Shima and Fukasaku who used it. But you are proving my point. I showed the scan in which Kabuto said he can move freely because he has mere SM. All your evidence is merely because Fukasaku has spoken vaguely and has said SM instead of frog SM. But now that Kabuto says a vague SM, without saying dragon SM, you immediately claim otherwise. Ironic.
3'a' You're simply proving my point. He can do all that yet he stated he can move due to SM, implying all SM's.
CM isn't a regular senjutsu lol. It is senjutsu which cannot be controlled by the user. Do not attempt to compare the two senjutsu chakra's, since they both have different effects. Last I checked, when Kimi gained increased strength, he also received reduced speed. Perfect SM works nothing like this, considering SM kabuto is faster than base Kabuto, unless you are willing to argue otherwise. If you want to use CM feats to compare with SM, you will have to compare all the things CM affects, which isn't remotely close to the regular SM of Kabuto/Naruto/Jiraiya. It is enough evidence to prove decent neck strength, and immense tooth grip. It kind of reminds me of... Snakes and dragons. Toads and Frogs have immense strength on their feet and legs, which reminds me of... Jiraiya and Naruto. I don't see why you are still arguing this. I have already said if you have no scans to prove strength, I am not even willing to hear your arguments. I have no reasoning to create a debate based off of theories and assumptions stacking atop of each other.
-What attitude dude, I am simply going by what I am reading. People really can make these claims in NarutoBase, which I am use to. If you are not addressing that you are exaggerating then I won't detect it as a hyperbole, but a real claim. No one can pick up hyperbole or sarcasm, unless personally address. So now you brought this up, now I am NOT reading your claim that "Jiraya kick even snapped the neck of Pein".
-Its all the matter of interpreting the concept "Natural Energy" that is bringing us to no conclusion. You believe that natural energy should be in the same category as Senjutsu. While I don't see that in the context from the manga (Which I will break down on last point)
-(Sigh) I know he didn't man. I was merely speaking as part of Jiraya's arsenal, since he possess Ma and Pa. You are not proving anything. You can't get effected by you own move unless the Manga implies you can. Saying Jiraya wasn't effected by his own arsenal is an invalid claim to prove your point. Can Tayua be effected by her own Sound Genjutsu, when she was facing Shikamaru? The Jutsu chooses its target. Also, once again, bringing Kabuto statement is completely out of context to prove your point on the Sound Genjutsu, used against Pein. Your example does not mix with Kabuto's statement. I already broke down why Kabuto made that statement. Both Light and Sound have different effects then Genjutsu. Light and Sound can be blocked specifically. In Kabuto's case: Light = Blocking eye-lids, which he has access to through SM. Sound = Liquify (WHICH DOES NOT NEED SM TO DO, I REPEAT DOES NOT). If you were to take these concepts away, and the effects of the Light and Sound CANNOT BE Counter. Which is WHY he made that statement that he can only move through the tech effects. Did Kabuto uses Liquify his body parts to counter his own Sound Genjutsu, since it has different effects then White Rage? NO, since Genjutsu can choose it's target.
-In the context, previously, your making it seem that natural energy is Senjutsu, thus since Naruto and Jiraya shown knock back/ immense strength, there Senjutsu is exclusive to strength. There is a difference between natural energy, Senjutsu, and Sage Mode. All of it has a purpose. But the focus is natural energy.
Natural energy is the external source that enables you to access to Sage Mode, and or, use Senjutsu. This is why I compared SM and CM, because both rely on a specific source, natural energy [
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]<-Example. Natural Energy is what gives the physical boost, not Sage Mode. Sound 5 did had physical boost, and so did Sasuke when he had CM.
So in the end Natural Energy is what causes the physical attributes to be boost and thats before mastering Sage Mode or Senjutsu it's self, which in context, Naruto's training had shown.
So if I were to show you Itachi being bisected or getting his arm rip, through his chakra cloak, means that it is as valid to claim his physical attributes is indeed Boost by accessing Natural Energy, that Kabuto has shown.
None of their Genjutsu can play for 5 minutes straight, so that alone means that its useless here.
Tayua's Genjutsu can: [
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Touching Kabuto renders him unable to do anything else. Unless you believe Kabuto's Naval Snake reacting and lunging to bite Obito is faster than Kamui warp (Which it isn't) Kabuto still gets warped before he can do anything. His only chance is to attack him before he's been touched, but then he can just phase through it instead of attacking him, and then touch him once he's clear.
Kabuto's reaction/perceptual ability is much better then Obito, sorry I don't see it. As long has Kabuto has a partner, via Snake Naval or Sakon/doppelganger,
Attempting to touch Kabuto is not happening without any consequences.
-The gold material starts off as a liquid but hardens when it comes in contact with the air.
-Kidomaru's webs aren't made of his sticky golden liquid.
-The summons don't have his sticky golden liquid.
-Its not gold so you can't say it should have every property of gold. The only thing it shares with gold is its color.
Kidomaru's ability is called: Kumo Nenkin (Spider Sticky Gold). All of it comes from the same source, said by Neji[
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As for summon: Makes sense that it carries the same priorities by default. But for proof: It slow down Neji's Rotation and Neji's comment[
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If they swirl around around him, he can simply step out from them and then go tangible, or simply destroy the Doki themselves.
They are 3 of those things and all can have their own purpose. One can swirl around him, and other two can find the right opening. With Kabuto protecting the Doki's, its almost inescapable in the location given.
Shielding them with Bone forest won't stop Mokuton or Katon, but it will definitely stop the Kunai. Mokuton would rip through the webs as well or Katon would go right through them like Amaterasu did.
Why you say that? I may lack info on Obito's Mokuton, which Wood Release is able to rip though Senpo:Webs? Or were you talking about the Webs produce from the Summon. Fire Release is no where at the level as Blaze Release so no it not doing the same damage as Enton.
What strength feats does Manda II have anyway? Killer B in Hachibi Mode was able to
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Well if you look at Manda I: Was was capable of enveloping Katsuyu and holding her while not allowing her to make movements. [
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Or strictly use his island-level weight capacity.
With those scans I shown you: Gated Guy was able to hit its down, tripping him. Kakashi Lightening Release help dragged him down. With the Bee and Naruto finishing it up with an upper cut. That something Manda II weight and limbs, can do alone.
Stop right there. The only snakes that have this ability are the ones connected to his body, not his summoned Snakes, so Manda II definitely doesn't get the ability in the bold, he'd get the ability to shed his skin just like his inferior counterpart Manda showed us.
Those snakes aren't connected, those are part of his summons too [
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]<-- Which he had more around the Cave. If you count it, it more then Kabuto had when he attack (Which Sasuke and Itachi are holding right on that scan I shown).
Multiple uses of the chakra blast would end Manda.
He has shown to use it Multiple sections? I thought there was a charge?
Kabuto could do that via his Sage Mode, we've seen that Sasuke was able to get the original Manda under his Genjutsu. Manda II will be no different.
Nope this was before he had access his Sage Mode..
Also the difference between Manda I and II is that I has its mind of its own, and does whatever he wants. II is created and controlled by Kabuto himself [
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