Kakuzu's earth spear is overated

[slaton02]

Still deciding on this. However, the harder things get, the less flexible they become. That's a fact of hardness.

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According to your argument, Tsunade's strength couldn't do a thing to is. That means that his strength would have to be enhanced beyond her own in order to move quickly or at all. This is strength that he hasn't demonstrated.

We have not seen much of it from an attack standpoint but the what have have got was.....Well lets see.....throwing Choji like he was nothing, Breaking through a stone wall with ease. He cn harded different parts of his body so he doesn't have to cover himself in it to attack. We have seen him move his arms while having his arm hardened that should answer you question to moving while hard(xD couldn't resist)

 

[Sennin of Logic]

This solves durability. It's not overrated in durability. Now on to the issue of whether or not he can move when this jutsu covers his entire body. I don't think so because he'd have to have strength that he hasn't demonstrated in order to move a hardened part of his body.

 

[Klaroline]

I've never seen any one on the base talk about it until now. It is definitely not over rated.

 

[Space Cowboy]

This solves durability. It's not overrated in durability. Now on to the issue of whether or not he can move when this jutsu covers his entire body. I don't think so because he'd have to have strength that he hasn't demonstrated in order to move a hardened part of his body.

He is unable to move any part of his body that is hardened, as i stated before. Its in the databook, which i dont know how to pull up

 

[Shura]

This solves durability. It's not overrated in durability. Now on to the issue of whether or not he can move when this jutsu covers his entire body. I don't think so because he'd have to have strength that he hasn't demonstrated in order to move a hardened part of his body.

Part of a body? Yes. The whole body? No.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

We have not seen much of it from an attack standpoint but the what have have got was.....Well lets see.....throwing Choji like he was nothing, Breaking through a stone wall with ease. He cn harded different parts of his body so he doesn't have to cover himself in it to attack.

According to the data we received on what it would take to destroy diamond, it would take something around the same category of strength to pull his muscles. If he was that strong, he'd have hurled Choji through Mountains. At the very least, he'd be significantly slowed down.

 

[slaton02]

According to the data we received on what it would take to destroy diamond, it would take something around the same category of strength to pull his muscles. If he was that strong, he'd have hurled Choji through Mountains. At the very least, he'd be significantly slowed down.

Just telling you what was in the show and manga tell that to Kishi not me

 

[Sennin of Logic]

I think the conclusion to the thread is that Kakuzu can tank anything except extremely high powered jutsu ( ransenshuriken maybe?) but at the expense of moving that part of his body.

 

[Omega]

I think the conclusion to the thread is that Kakuzu can tank anything except extremely high powered jutsu ( ransenshuriken maybe?) but at the expense of moving that part of his body.

Yea i think thats the best conclusion. Kakuzu will tank a lot of things such as a normal rasengan but is it also possible this will reduce damage of high level jutsu like resen shuriken, maybe it won't kill him instantly with his earth spear

 

[Penguin]

Let me explain this. Kakazu did not have this technique when he fought Hashirama. Kakazu went back to the village elders after his attempt on Hashirama's life was not a success, and the elders were upset. Kakazu killed them and took the forbidden scrolls and learned Earth Grudge Fear and Earth Spear. Even if Kakazu had Earth Spear, Hashirama can use Mokuton to absorb his chakra, causing Earth Spear to become useless after a while.

 

[Penguin]

To add to my statement above, Kakazu can still get hurt from physical attacks while in Earth Spear. If Tsunade hits Kakazu while he is in Earth Spear, it will not hurt him on the outside. On the inside though, his organs would be ruptured from the pressure of Tsunade's chakra enhanced strength.

 

[Space Cowboy]

To add to my statement above, Kakazu can still get hurt from physical attacks while in Earth Spear. If Tsunade hits Kakazu while he is in Earth Spear, it will not hurt him on the outside. On the inside though, his organs would be ruptured from the pressure of Tsunade's chakra enhanced strength.

Not likely

 

[Penguin]

Not likely

Most likely. He may not move, but the inside of him is not protected. His organs would be demolished.

 

[Space Cowboy]

Most likely. He may not move, but the inside of him is not protected. His organs would be demolished.

The diamond exterior which can withstand 400,000 pounds of pressure would be more than enough to absorb any blow -__-

 

[Omega]

Most likely. He may not move, but the inside of him is not protected. His organs would be demolished.

I see where you goin with this and it sounds possible, but idk he withstood kakashi's primary lotus(anime) without a prob

 

[badassjuly18]

Yes something like giant rasengan. It tanks that relatively easily. He might get blown back a bit, but no damage will be done to him. Diamonds are formed once again, at 400,000 pounds of pressure. Thats 100 MILES underground. If they can withstand ridiculous pressure like that, they can tank a oodama rasengan. Susano'o slashes shouldnt even be able to do much realistically

on the contrary i think a susanoo can do relative damage from either the bow or a enton sword or even a regular susanoo sword

 

[TheEvilOne]

Of course it is overrated...

 

[Cornson]

This post comes from a person that is a fan of Kakuzu (but I am in no way a fanboy) so take what I say with a grain of salt, but don't dismiss it either

So lets get to the point. "do I think that Kakuzu's earth spear is overrated" ?

and my answer would be, no I really don't, infact I think most people still underrate it...

People just don't grasp how good of a defensive tecnique it really is, or to be more correct: How though diamond actually is.

To be able to penetrade/brake Kakuzu's earth spear you will have to have a high level lightning ability, or a weapon made out of diamond and or at the very least a diamond tipped weapon (arrow, blade, what ever)

does this means that Kakuzu us invincible ? well Tecniqually yes, as long as Kakuzu have his Earth Spear covering his whole body, and his opponent does not have a diamond weapon or a high level ligntning tecnique, he can't be hurt.

But you also have to realize that there is a reason why Kakuzu does not go around with his Earth Spear always acticated and covering his whole body.

Earth Spear takes a constant amount of chakra to use when activated, and it must clearly be so cost efficient that he can't walk around with it all the time (else he would always be doing it right? why only be immune to all damage some of the time? if he could be it all of the time without a drawback right?) but on the other hand it can't be to chakra expensive either, else he would be more prone to dodge attacks, instead of just choosing to tank them "with earth spear" So it appear to be a tecnique he can active more than just a couple of times, but not a tecnique he would want to stay active, especially not if it coveres the whole body. (the more of the body affected by the Jutsu the more chakra is needed to keep it active? atleast that is what I expect)

So Kakuzu's speed must be severily impacted by this Jutsu if it coveres his intire body, it should either render him unable to move, or at the very least make him so slow that almost any ninja would be able to run away from him.

And don't forget that the Earth spear is not instant, it's fast yes, but it does not cover his holy body instantly (which means that Minato could use FTG to stab him for example) So if you can get the jump on Kakuzu he will not be able to activate it.

So now the question comes if Kakuzu can tank Tsunades Punch with full power without taking any damage (both external and internal) and here I would say, Yes he should be able to do that, Diamond is just that unbreakable. Tsunade have simply not shown any feats that proves that she could make a Punch (or a kick for that matter) that was strong enough to shatter diamond. (if you slammed a sledge hammer down un to a diamond it would be the sledge hammer getting a dent in the Iron, and not the diamond taking damage)

and then we comes to Futon Razen Shurikan, can Kakuzu's earth spear tank it? and yet again my answer would be: yes Kakuzu's can tank it (and before you go screaming FANBOY over and over, hear me out first!)

what is Naruto's Futon Razen Shuriken essentially? "It's litterly millions of very tiny wind enchanted needle's" (that is what it is, nothing more and nothing less) and as long as Kakuzu have his Earth Spear activated, and if it coveres 100% of his body, He should be able to tank it without taking any damage what so ever. it dosen't matter that the "needel's are very, very small, or enchanted with the Wind element they can't penetrade his diamond skin. (had they been based on Electicity, Kakuzu would have been done for, the earth spear would have done nothing then)

So to sum it up: As long as Kakuzu see the attack comming he should be able to tank anything that is not a Lightning tecnique, or some sort of diamond based weapon.