Kakashi vs Sasuke

[Mypower]

He has large and powerful amounts of chakra, being able to spam Mangekyou techniques, use Fire Release at 7 years old despite Kakashi saying that even Genin usually don't have enough chakra.

Kakashi has displayed no impressive speed feats, whereas Sasuke has shown a plethora of speed feats.

Kakashi has impressive strength, being able to wield Kubikiribouchou pretty easily.

The original question: Sasuke. With EMS, he becomes top tier, I don't see Kakashi evading Amaterasu, as only Ay, with LRA on full dodging it.

Are you freaking kidding me.
Kakshi dodged with ease when he was fighting the tailed beasts.
And those things are ridiculously fast.

 

[Minator93]

I don't mean to shit on Kishi's words or anything, but the Databook has contradicted itslef too many times to be taken into account, on MOST parts anyways.

1st Databook: Kiba is as fast as Lee?

2nd Databook: Hiruzen is the strongest hokage?

3rd Databook: Amaterasu is as hot as the sun?

And of course Obito will struggle more with Kakashi. Obito's fighting style REVOLVES around Kamui, and that's pretty much ineffective against Kakashi, as he has it as well. It's all about match ups man.

Its a hyperbole with Amaterasu, and for others the latest info corrected the older one that's All. But in Kakashi's can its not a hyperbole. It simply says one can't counter it and we know its instantaneous tech, Obito who shares the dimension [Obito's Kamui is slow and has different properties] can escape it [As Kakashi is the only one who got out of Obito's Kamui Dimension]

sasuke>itachi>kakashi it wont matter kamui does have defenses speed ftg kamui izanagi yata mirror susanoo

What is this fail?? Kamui is instantaneous and has no counter, no one can win a solo fight against Kakashi [unless someone starts off with multiple clones U_U]

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Its a hyperbole with Amaterasu, and for others the latest info corrected the older one that's All. But in Kakashi's can its not a hyperbole. It simply says one can't counter it and we know its instantaneous tech, Obito who shares the dimension [Obito's Kamui is slow and has different properties] can escape it [As Kakashi is the only one who got out of Obito's Kamui Dimension]



What is this fail?? Kamui is instantaneous and has no counter, no one can win a solo fight against Kakashi [unless someone starts off with multiple clones U_U]

I see what you're saying, but wouldn't that logic dub Kakashi as the strongest in the manga? Because I don't think he is.

 

[OnPoint]

kamui isnt a insta kill eithere we have no idea how obito got ama off him i think kage bushin or log.
karin back was brused sasuke uses ama & susanoo off the bat no need for bloodlusted he used magatams on weaklings such as zetsu used susanoo at the start of him and danzo fight dont pull that card. i see that your very one sided ama burned nagato arms and ribs off burnt thru toad mouth trap in instant also burned hachibi back to bee in seconds


As Kidgamer always said ama burns faster when the user is focus

I'm very one-sided when i've said that under normal circumstances, Sasuke wins with little difficulty? Seems legit. I think you need to remember that as a Sasuke fan, you're not really in the position to be throwing around accusations of bias.

Karin's back wasn't burned or scared. Her skin didn't melt. So claims of Kakashi's eye being insta-annihilated by the black flames are completely false. Obito's attire wasn't even charred, despite being directly hit by the Jutsu. The Raikage's arm wasn't immediately eliminated by the black flames either. For some reason, the burning feats of Sasuke's Amaterasu don't seem to compare to Itachi's, even though the latter only managed to burn Nagato after taking a considerable amount of time out to talk with Naruto and Bee.

Sasuke was facing a group of opponents. It wouldn't be in character of him to use such Jutsu right off the bat against only one person, especially since the idea of him wanting to test his new found powers wouldn't be considered.

 

[BlacLord™]

Are you freaking kidding me.
Kakshi dodged with ease when he was fighting the tailed beasts.
And those things are ridiculously fast.

He had a distance advantage. If he was close, he would've been screwed.

Besides, they're not that fast. Orochimaru had time to bite his finger, summon the Triple Rashoumon and let them erect themselves one by one before a TBB reached him.

 

[Mypower]

I'm very one-sided when i've said that under normal circumstances, Sasuke wins with little difficulty? Seems legit. I think you need to remember that as a Sasuke fan, you're not really in the position to be throwing around accusations of bias.

Karin's back wasn't burned or scared. Her skin didn't melt. So claims of Kakashi's eye being insta-annihilated by the black flames are completely false. Obito's attire wasn't even charred, despite being directly hit by the Jutsu. The Raikage's arm wasn't immediately eliminated by the black flames either. For some reason, the burning feats of Sasuke's Amaterasu don't seem to compare to Itachi's, even though the latter only managed to burn Nagato after taking a considerable amount of time out to talk with Naruto and Bee.

Sasuke was facing a group of opponents. It wouldn't be in character of him to use such Jutsu right off the bat against only one person, especially since the idea of him wanting to test his new found powers wouldn't be considered.

Nice find.
Proves my point that kakashi would win.

 

[Bogard]

I see what you're saying, but wouldn't that logic dub Kakashi as the strongest in the manga? Because I don't think he is.

Obviously not happening in the manga, but Kamui itself has been created as a overpowered technique that always gives Kakashi a chance to defeat an opponent(or almost) eventhough we all know he isn't the strongest. Kakashi even also stated in the manga that he thought no one could stop Kamui

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[Mypower]

He had a distance advantage. If he was close, he would've been screwed.

Besides, they're not that fast. Orochimaru had time to bite his finger, summon the Triple Rashoumon and let them erect themselves one by one before a TBB reached him.

Remeber it caused damage to naruto .
But since these are edos they can fight beyond thier peak.

 

[Minator93]

I see what you're saying, but wouldn't that logic dub Kakashi as the strongest in the manga? Because I don't think he is.

Well that's where the plot comes into the play.

1. Kakashi started using Kamui by 30, but he awakened it by 15.
2. Kakashi couldn't Kamui more than 2 times before the war arc.
3. Kishi already has kept his chakra under minimum.
4. Kakashi has never started a battle with Kamui [I mean take Kakuzu for eg, Kakashi could've Kamui'd his entire body or say Deva path. Also when he was about to Kamui Gedo Mazo, Obito magically realized what's happening and intervened]

Danzo or Shisui could defeat Kakashi, but that's about it. Why? Because Kamui and KA will hit at the same time, but KA can just cause whoever used Kamui to bring Danzo back hahaha.

What if Kakashi has Kamui'd their head?? Then its an instant death even if Kakashi brings back the head.

Also Kamui is long range, instantaneous as opposed to Short Range KA

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Well that's where the plot comes into the play.

1. Kakashi started using Kamui by 30, but he awakened it by 15.
2. Kakashi couldn't Kamui more than 2 times before the war arc.
3. Kishi already has kept his chakra under minimum.
4. Kakashi has never started a battle with Kamui [I mean take Kakuzu for eg, Kakashi could've Kamui'd his entire body or say Deva path. Also when he was about to Kamui Gedo Mazo, Obito magically realized what's happening and intervened]



What if Kakashi has Kamui'd their head?? Then its an instant death even if Kakashi brings back the head.

Also Kamui is long range, instantaneous as opposed to Short Range KA

That's true, but Sasuke is now known to break out his MS techs right off the bat, lol.

 

[Unorthodox]

He wasn't beat up, Karin healed him.

dont matter she cant heal his stamina

He already had Susanoo activated on the pic you mention.

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So he only powered-up it

Furthermore, the speed of the magatamas have shown to be relatively slow(comparable to launching normal shurikens), more than enough for Kakashi to put a wall like he did to protect himself against speed-up large kamui-shurikens from Obito

okay if were gasping at straws kakashi is one shotted before he puts up his ninja band magatamas slow doesnt the manga move fram by fram also right

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you can see him at full susanoo next panel

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zetsu is already hit showing how fast these things are

@unorthodox, don't be foolish. Sasuke isn't erecting his complete Susano'o faster than a bloodlusted Kakashi is using his Kamui. At best, it'll have time to 'charge up' like it did against the Zetsu [

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]. Unless you're saying that Susano'o can be brought forth faster than the two Susano'o arrows which Kakashi already warped? Kamui has been implied to be fast enough to warp even Minato, who is among the best in terms of both reflexes and possession of fast activating Jutsu (Hiraishin).

sasuke full susanoo will come up as fast and anyway fast kamuied arnt big enought to warp full susanoo kakashi will need to lift up his head band he will already be hit with ama using your logic kamui hitting minato likely since he seen it before and ftg is instant and if sasuke can get hit with kamui kakashi can get hit with ama so stalemate at best

I'm very one-sided when i've said that under normal circumstances, Sasuke wins with little difficulty? Seems legit. I think you need to remember that as a Sasuke fan, you're not really in the position to be throwing around accusations of bias.

Karin's back wasn't burned or scared. Her skin didn't melt. So claims of Kakashi's eye being insta-annihilated by the black flames are completely false. Obito's attire wasn't even charred, despite being directly hit by the Jutsu. The Raikage's arm wasn't immediately eliminated by the black flames either. For some reason, the burning feats of Sasuke's Amaterasu don't seem to compare to Itachi's, even though the latter only managed to burn Nagato after taking a considerable amount of time out to talk with Naruto and Bee.

Sasuke was facing a group of opponents. It wouldn't be in character of him to use such Jutsu right off the bat against only one person, especially since the idea of him wanting to test his new found powers wouldn't be considered.

-sighs- kakashi is already hit with ama before he can remove his headband also you act as if sasuke doesnt use logs to fake people out you keep saying ama is a slow burner but if he ama kakashi face it is over no matter what the case is

 

[Minator93]

That's true, but Sasuke is now known to break out his MS techs right off the bat, lol.

Yeah he is a MS or EMS spammer and that's why he couldn't perform well against Kabuto, but Itachi who isn't did very well. I had created a thread about this very matter, the difference between Itachi's and Sasuke's Fighting Styles and the effects that it causes [and not the jutsus]

 

[Minator93]

Page me, where does it say KA is close range?

Can you show me KA's long range feat?? Also KA is once in a decade move as opposed to Kamui. Danzo needs a minimum of 8-10 hours of interval to do it again. So it can't be used in a battle as opposed to Kamui [but I guess that's not the point here U_U]

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Yeah he is a MS or EMS spammer and that's why he couldn't perform well against Kabuto, but Itachi who isn't did very well. I had created a thread about this very matter, the difference between Itachi's and Sasuke's Fighting Styles and the effects that it causes [and not the jutsus]

Kabuto is an MS user's worst nightmare. Like I said, it's all about match ups.

 

[Bogard]

okay if were gasping at straws kakashi is one shotted before he puts up his ninja band

The time to put up the ninja band is the time Sasuke takes to activate Sharingan, not even mentioning MS or EMS

magatamas slow doesnt the manga move fram by fram also right

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you can see him at full susanoo next panel

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zetsu is already hit showing how fast these things are

We can't see the impact on the pic you posted especially since you compare to weak white Zetsus. To evaluate the magatama speed it's better to look at it on the next page

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Like you can see, they are not fast at all and really comparable to shurikens

 

[Unorthodox]

Kabuto is an MS user's worst nightmare. Like I said, it's all about match ups.

not sasuke's in an open area especially since he didnt even reveal his full power of ems

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

not sasuke's in an open area especially since he didnt even reveal his full power of ems

Doesn't really matter. Kabuto has been shown to completely oppose two MS users, his techniques completely counter that of Sasuke's. We're not here to debate Sasuke vs Kabuto though, right?

 

[Minator93]

Kabuto is an MS user's worst nightmare. Like I said, it's all about match ups.

I know, but my point wasn't that. I said it as an example.

In that fight there are at least 3 to 4 instances where Sasuke a spammer used his EMS [mainly Susanoo] to block Kabuto's attacks and fell into traps but Itachi who could've done the same didn't, he relied on his reflexes and dodged the attacks, while doing that he positioned himself in ways that allowed him to counter or attack Kabuto [or prepare for his Izanami]

Also If Itachi wasn't there we know Sasuke would've died [I guess I am going off topic again]

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

I know, but my point wasn't that. I said it as an example.

In that fight there are at least 3 to 4 instances where Sasuke a spammer used his EMS [mainly Susanoo] to block Kabuto's attacks and fell into traps but Itachi who could've done the same didn't, he relied on his reflexes and dodged the attacks, while doing that he positioned himself in ways that allowed him to counter or attack Kabuto [or prepare for his Izanami]

Also If Itachi wasn't there we know Sasuke would've died [I guess I am going off topic again]

I agree with what you say, and I agree we should keep this on topic.

 

[Unorthodox]

The time to put up the ninja band is the time Sasuke takes to activate Sharingan, not even mentioning MS or EMS
We can't see the impact on the pic you posted especially since you compare to weak white Zetsus. To evaluate the magatama speed it's better to look at it on the next page

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Like you can see, they are not fast at all and really comparable to shurikens

but after he removes the band he needs to activate his ms then uses kamui before the band is removed this happens

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