Kakashi VS Sasuke (without sharingan)

[kaka96]

It says he copy lee taijutsu, which is lee strong fist, an kakashi helpd sasuke raised his speed it didt say he copied lee speed.

are you serious, he says he had Sasuke use that taijutsu in practice and when Guy asked if it was for the speed, He answered yes :|

Even Gaara saw that he was moving the same way same speed....

And once again , I never said he copied the speed, I said he used sharingan to gain it, wich these pictures prove ...

 

[Ambriel]

give me a min
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If that's not enough, I'm afraid you're an idiot

are you serious, he says he had Sasuke use that taijutsu in practice and when Guy asked if it was for the speed, He answered yes :|

Even Gaara saw that he was moving the same way same speed....

And once again , I never said he copied the speed, I said he used sharingan to gain it, wich these pictures prove ...

He said he copy lee's taijutsu, an he train him to get fast. Sasuke never saw lee speed only kakashi did.

 

[kaka96]

He said he copy lee's taijutsu, an he train him to get fast. Sasuke never saw lee speed only kakashi did.

He didn't copy the speed, he copied the movement style wich is the same
Sasuke saw Lee's speed with weight... Kakashi told him about without weight, they trained till they reached that level >.>

 

[Ambriel]

He didn't copy the speed, he copied the movement style wich is the same
Sasuke saw Lee's speed with weight... Kakashi told him about without weight, they trained till they reached that level >.>

What speed did lee show it was only when they fought he copied his taijutsu, that move he used durin his fight. sasuke didnt copy lee speed.

 

[kaka96]

What speed did lee show it was only when they fought he copied his taijutsu, that move he used durin his fight. sasuke didnt copy lee speed.

IDK maybe when he was so effing fast Sasuke wasn't able to compete even with Sharingan open :|
AGAIN AND AGAIN i never said e copied the speed itself, you guys need to learn to read , dang, i understand you disagree but this is getting tiresome.
I NEVER DID SAY HE COPIED THE SPEED ITSELF

 

[Ambriel]

IDK maybe when he was so effing fast Sasuke wasn't able to compete even with Sharingan open :|

Haha u jut answered yo own question, how can he copy sumthing he cant see.

 

[kaka96]

Haha u jut answered yo own question, how can he copy sumthing he cant see.

:| are you kidding me?

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He did read the movements, he just could't react in time >.>

 

[Ambriel]

:| are you kidding me?

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He did read the movements, he just could't react in time >.>

Omg that was a taijutsu move not speed. Lets jus agree that in that month of trainin sasuke go fast.

 

[kaka96]

Omg that was a taijutsu move not speed. Lets jus agree that in that month of trainin sasuke go fast.

OMFG are you being serious there mate?

He didn't copy the speed, he copied the movement style wich is the same
Sasuke saw Lee's speed with weight... Kakashi told him about without weight, they trained till they reached that level >.>

AGAIN AND AGAIN i never said e copied the speed itself, you guys need to learn to read , dang, i understand you disagree but this is getting tiresome.
I NEVER DID SAY HE COPIED THE SPEED ITSELF

And once again , I never said he copied the speed, I said he used sharingan to gain it, wich these pictures prove ...

I didn't say he copied the speed, i said he used sharingan to earn, as showed in the Post above yours

 

[Uchihas with Big Guns]

I'm pretty sure that the speed of both are equal. But I think Sasuke's lightening release is quite powerful than Kakashi. What do you think?​

Search button bitch....

 

[Ambriel]

OMFG are you being serious there mate?

If sasuke is kik in the air an attack what do u call it

 

[kaka96]

If sasuke is kik in the air an attack what do u call it

OKay, i"m through with you, I've said countless times that SASUKE COPIED the TAIJUTSU and NOT the SPEED. He used that TAIJUTSU to TRAIN his SPEED and NOT COPY it as said by Kakashi, the one who trained him, Guy the one who trained the one who was copied, the one who was copied, the one facing Sasuke and that fought Lee

That you do not agree with my point is completely understandable but that you fail to understand that I never faking said he copied the speed but that he used the copied taijutsu is just a complete fail from your part

 

[Ambriel]

OKay, i"m through with you, I've said countless times that SASUKE COPIED the TAIJUTSU and NOT the SPEED. He used that TAIJUTSU to TRAIN his SPEED and NOT COPY it as said by Kakashi, the one who trained him, Guy the one who trained the one who was copied, the one who was copied, the one facing Sasuke and that fought Lee

That you do not agree with my point is completely understandable but that you fail to understand that I never faking said he copied the speed but that he used the copied taijutsu is just a complete fail from your part

How can taijutsu make u fast, it doest sasuke got fast thru trainin.

 

[kaka96]

How can taijutsu make u fast, it doest sasuke got fast thru trainin.

I can't believe I just read that :| Name me a ninja that is slow and has a high Taijutsu naturally

 

[Ambriel]

I can't believe I just read that :| Name me a ninja that is slow and has a high Taijutsu naturally

Neji has taijutsu but is he faster than lee

 

[kaka96]

Neji has taijutsu but is he faster than lee

Neji... faster than lee? wtf :| no and that's why Guy said that Lee was in fact > than Neji.

Besides , I said natural taijutsu, Neji uses chakra to strike and Byakugan to see , without that, his taijutsu wouldn't be so great

 

[Ambriel]

Neji... faster than lee? wtf :| no and that's why Guy said that Lee was in fact > than Neji.

Besides , I said natural taijutsu, Neji uses chakra to strike and Byakugan to see , without that, his taijutsu wouldn't be so great

Well lee couldnt beat neji so neji> lee. Taijutsu is a simple hand to hand combat everyone isnt fast

 

[kaka96]

Well lee couldnt beat neji so neji> lee. Taijutsu is a simple hand to hand combat everyone isnt fast

even Guy said that Lee surpassed Neji :|
Neji never fought gated Lee

"The hidden lotus, a combination of such blinding speed that nobody can defend himself against it, not even Neji"

 

[YoItsJo]

Well now, this is a silly little argument right huuuur. It's Kakashi =DD

 

[Uchiha Riyo]

I don't think Sasuke needs Sharingan to perform some of his Chidori variations.

Sasuke doesn't need to worry about the opponent dodging the Chidori Stream if they're close to him, so that will hit Kakashi.

Base Sasuke and Base Kakashi's Taikutsu are equal. They've fought after Sasuke and Danzou's fight.

Also, who said Sasuke needs Sharingan to use Chidori?

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His vision was blurred then, plus, if Sasuke can do it without Sharingan then Kakashi can. Plus, if you think him using it without Sharingan is only a bluff, see below.

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He was readying his Chidori in order to attack Kakashi but then Naruto stepped in. We all know Sasuke's not dumb enough to let Kakashi evade Chidori, therefore I don't htink he took that risk. I believe he somehow trained his eye to be able to use Sharingan. Of course, if he can do it, Kakashi can too.

In terms of other ninjutsus, I think they would be equal in these as well. Even if Kakashi does supposedly have 1000 jutsus I don't think any of them would be that effective. Plus, if he did have 1000 jutsus he would've shown us at least a hundred of them already. I think they're Taijutsu and Ninjutsu is a stalemate in this fight.

So that's Ninjutsu and Taijutsu out of the way.

I don't think either of them can cast Genjutsu without Sharingan, so my answer is draw.