well sakura did more fighting as chiyo's puppet but that isn't the topic
and if the heart is the humen thing in him , wouldn't that mean that it will be the only thing with human chakra flow "isn't it the source of the chakra flow , like an engine"
Kakashi vs Sasori
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and if the heart is the humen thing in him , wouldn't that mean that it will be the only thing with human chakra flow "isn't it the source of the chakra flow , like an engine"
deidara senpai
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its possible but we dont know that and most likely never will now kakashi might get suspicious but it doesnt mean kakashi will know hes not a human/puppet ecactly
deidara senpai
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i agree kakashi is better than them but not for sasori they have medical ninjutsu on their side and some knowledge as well which kakashi has none so if kakashi gets hit once its over for him since he cant do anything about the poison plus with his terrible stamina
he could just block the water with iron sand plus sasori has water to
MrAnalytical
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@ Deidara Senpai- great thread
Doesn't it irritate you when newbies (meaning Tendou00 ) ignore the fact that Sasori beat Sakura and Chiyo and then chose to die? DS, do you think i should repost my misconceptions posts that prove that Sasori chose to die and even planned his death? And of course, saying Sasori 'lost to thoes 2' isn't an argument that proves he loses to Kakashi. And most here ignore that Chiyo is a kage level puppeteer who, WITH sakura, would stomp Kakashi.
Now, for my analysis-
Kumai drains Kakashi out a lot, and he can't aim it very well or use it in an instant until later. Deidara was flying slowly in a linear fashion, and Kakashi had trouble using it. Sasori won't just stand there and watch while he does it.
Or if Sasori is flying in a non-linear fashion, then Kakashi can't use it. All water and fire jutsu' Kakashi can do that we've seen, can easily be blocked by iron sand (water would mess up the sand though. EDIT- nope, won't mess up Iron sand, which isn't sand but just Iron filaments). Iron Sand world Order would probably end it there. Going under ground to grab Sasori and using shadow clones is good, but even if Kakashi got that close to use chidori on the real sasori, Sasori could transfer his heart in an instant.
All 100- puppets pose the same problem to him as it does to most non-sakura/tsunade nin- he can dodge but can't strike all with 100 chidori's. If Kakashi uses Kumai on the wrong Sasori (an empty shell) and then is worn out, then he's toast. Sasori can fly high and drop poison gas bombs. The possibilities are endless- Kakashi loses. I don't see Kakashi Kumai-ing a flying Sasori.
And everyone assumes for some odd reason, that he'd have an antidote, though he isn't a medical nin. One scratch and it's over. Then there's the lightning problem against Magnetism. More? Why does Sakura wear gloves? Many state that Kakashi can use chidori against a wall of iron sand, if Sasori used it as Gaara does (an absolute defense). Kakashi wears gloves, but it exposes the fingers, so doing lightning cutter against iron sand (or punching iron sand) will result in Kakashi being scratched by the iron sand- poisoned.
Update
I was arguing for the old Kakashi- the current one would certaintly do better against Sasori. But I honestly feel like Kamui is the only thing that he could beat Sasori with. The problem is there is a small chance that Kakashi would get past the Kazekage puppet & Iron Sand: Sasori doesn't take off his cloak to reveal his true body (& heart) until that puppet is done for.
I don't know if Kakashi can Kamui an entire body (i..e Sasori's body) since he has neevr been seen Kamui-ing an entire nin (I don't think). And to Kamui a moving target (i.e. flying Sasori) that isn't moving in a linear path, would be impossible. With the 100 puppets, Sasori can easily avoid Kamui by putting fodder puppets in Kakashi's path.
And btw, in the small probability that Kakashi gets to the 100 puppets, I don't see how he can win.
And again, Sasori true form will THEN reveal his heart, and sinec he can fly, it will be hard for Kakashi to Kamui him. I don't know how many times Kakashi can Kamui before being drained and being out of it- but if he missed many times and is out of it, he will be a sitting duck. So I still put my bets on Sasori, since the odds are in his favor (since Kakashi wouldn't have an antidote- one scratch and it's over for him).
Both times the 'new' Kakashi did Kumai, he did have to aim, but it was easier since he hit non-oblong shapes (flat-long) objects moving in a linear fashion directly at eye level, which is cmopletely different from doing Kumai on a human-shaped person moving/flying in a non-linear fashion. Kakashi can't see the 'heart' thru the cloak, since his eye isn't Sasuke's (who can see color of chakra). He can't simply kumai so easily.
EDIT: THIS IS NO KNOWLEDGE???? How can anyone say Kakashi would win with no knoweldge?! Are people here joking? Even with full intel, Kakashi would have trouble- 99% of nin fighting Sasori with no knowldge and no antidote are toast. Kankuro, a puppeteer with skill, didn't know he was fighting a puppeteer (using poison), so how will Kakashi, or most nin, know he's fighting a puppeteer using poison? Maybe KB's, but the probabiltiy is that by the time Kakashi even knows he's fighting a puppeteer, he'll be poisoned.
EDIY: DS, Sasori doesn't have a normal Chakra circulatino system- only in this heart, but Kakashi won't see that until the cloak is off. Then, 100 puppets would block kumai from getting his heart.
EDIT: Kakashi can't do certain things Sakura could, and most things Chiyo could. So using the, 'if Sakura could' thing is old, and foolish.
Doesn't it irritate you when newbies (meaning Tendou00 ) ignore the fact that Sasori beat Sakura and Chiyo and then chose to die? DS, do you think i should repost my misconceptions posts that prove that Sasori chose to die and even planned his death? And of course, saying Sasori 'lost to thoes 2' isn't an argument that proves he loses to Kakashi. And most here ignore that Chiyo is a kage level puppeteer who, WITH sakura, would stomp Kakashi.
Now, for my analysis-
Kumai drains Kakashi out a lot, and he can't aim it very well or use it in an instant until later. Deidara was flying slowly in a linear fashion, and Kakashi had trouble using it. Sasori won't just stand there and watch while he does it.
Or if Sasori is flying in a non-linear fashion, then Kakashi can't use it. All water and fire jutsu' Kakashi can do that we've seen, can easily be blocked by iron sand (water would mess up the sand though. EDIT- nope, won't mess up Iron sand, which isn't sand but just Iron filaments). Iron Sand world Order would probably end it there. Going under ground to grab Sasori and using shadow clones is good, but even if Kakashi got that close to use chidori on the real sasori, Sasori could transfer his heart in an instant.
All 100- puppets pose the same problem to him as it does to most non-sakura/tsunade nin- he can dodge but can't strike all with 100 chidori's. If Kakashi uses Kumai on the wrong Sasori (an empty shell) and then is worn out, then he's toast. Sasori can fly high and drop poison gas bombs. The possibilities are endless- Kakashi loses. I don't see Kakashi Kumai-ing a flying Sasori.
And everyone assumes for some odd reason, that he'd have an antidote, though he isn't a medical nin. One scratch and it's over. Then there's the lightning problem against Magnetism. More? Why does Sakura wear gloves? Many state that Kakashi can use chidori against a wall of iron sand, if Sasori used it as Gaara does (an absolute defense). Kakashi wears gloves, but it exposes the fingers, so doing lightning cutter against iron sand (or punching iron sand) will result in Kakashi being scratched by the iron sand- poisoned.
Update
I was arguing for the old Kakashi- the current one would certaintly do better against Sasori. But I honestly feel like Kamui is the only thing that he could beat Sasori with. The problem is there is a small chance that Kakashi would get past the Kazekage puppet & Iron Sand: Sasori doesn't take off his cloak to reveal his true body (& heart) until that puppet is done for.
I don't know if Kakashi can Kamui an entire body (i..e Sasori's body) since he has neevr been seen Kamui-ing an entire nin (I don't think). And to Kamui a moving target (i.e. flying Sasori) that isn't moving in a linear path, would be impossible. With the 100 puppets, Sasori can easily avoid Kamui by putting fodder puppets in Kakashi's path.
And btw, in the small probability that Kakashi gets to the 100 puppets, I don't see how he can win.
And again, Sasori true form will THEN reveal his heart, and sinec he can fly, it will be hard for Kakashi to Kamui him. I don't know how many times Kakashi can Kamui before being drained and being out of it- but if he missed many times and is out of it, he will be a sitting duck. So I still put my bets on Sasori, since the odds are in his favor (since Kakashi wouldn't have an antidote- one scratch and it's over for him).
Both times the 'new' Kakashi did Kumai, he did have to aim, but it was easier since he hit non-oblong shapes (flat-long) objects moving in a linear fashion directly at eye level, which is cmopletely different from doing Kumai on a human-shaped person moving/flying in a non-linear fashion. Kakashi can't see the 'heart' thru the cloak, since his eye isn't Sasuke's (who can see color of chakra). He can't simply kumai so easily.
EDIT: THIS IS NO KNOWLEDGE???? How can anyone say Kakashi would win with no knoweldge?! Are people here joking? Even with full intel, Kakashi would have trouble- 99% of nin fighting Sasori with no knowldge and no antidote are toast. Kankuro, a puppeteer with skill, didn't know he was fighting a puppeteer (using poison), so how will Kakashi, or most nin, know he's fighting a puppeteer using poison? Maybe KB's, but the probabiltiy is that by the time Kakashi even knows he's fighting a puppeteer, he'll be poisoned.
EDIY: DS, Sasori doesn't have a normal Chakra circulatino system- only in this heart, but Kakashi won't see that until the cloak is off. Then, 100 puppets would block kumai from getting his heart.
EDIT: Kakashi can't do certain things Sakura could, and most things Chiyo could. So using the, 'if Sakura could' thing is old, and foolish.
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could go either way actually kakashi got better with kamui and his analytical skills and sharingan would allow him to figure out sasori's just a puppet but if he makes a mistake he is done for so i think it can go either way.
Foxy Sennin
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kakashi 4 me.. he is very smart, eventhough he has low chakra reserves, he will think of a way to wn before his chakra runs out.. kakashi all out
