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Light is a metaphor for blindness. As pointed out by Hebi Sasuke and agreed upon by every other ms user, it has nothing to do with actual light.
That reach was way to far.
[VS] Kakashi vs Muu
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That reach was way to far.
When that "metaphor" is used constantly to describe the Mangekyo's descent into darkness and it's relationship to light, then it seems to have a significant meaning and so it seems to have a literal meaning.
But seriously, it does seem to have a literal meaning. With eyesight, visual impairment can occur due to the inability to perceive light and that seems related to what Kishimoto attempted to represent with the Mangekyo's inevitable fate resulting from lack of light. You can take it metaphorically, but I don't think it actually does when not only the Sharingan, but your actual visual perception deteriorates.
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No its not literal since their eyes don't fade to black. They fade to white.
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Again stop reaching
Black is the lack of light. White is the all of light.
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Oh. I thought he ment is was like a shortcut or something. U know kile hold this key and instead of "Quote" appearing in bracket its "spoiler".
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well we should talk to the higher ups and implement that. Or at the very least have the spoiler button me a mainstay and not an advanced option cuz manually typing it in is redundant and might be even more time consuming in the long run depending on internet speed.
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That doesn´t explain why sensor isn´t capable to sense his chakra. Normally going invisible doesn´t have anything to do with hiding chakra .
Point is together with his body his chakra is also hidden (erased or whatever you want to call it).Is hiding chakra also part of that invisibility jutsu ? I don´t know and I don´t care.
What I do care is both feat and Kabuto statement that his chakra is erased (hidden),fact that you are always ignoring since you are nothing more than Uchiha fapper.
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Just goes to show how much you're grasping for straws when you start bringing up irrelevant argumentation.
No. :lol. NOT the same shit here. Chakra. Inflections. Taiseki uses literal chakra to bend the light around his body. The fact that Muu uses chakra to manipulate the water droplets is irrelevant because he only does it once. He doesn't continually use chakra to maintain his invisibility unlike Taiseki. How do I know this? Because Muu suppresses his chakra like Karin does, meaning he can't mold chakra while his chakras are suppressed- same reason he can't use Jinton when invisible, and why Karin can't use her chakra to sense when her chakras are suppressed.
Just because chakra is the driving force behind the jutsu does not mean chakra has continued use for the whole duration of the technique. Onoki uses lightened boulder jutsu to make his body light. Does that mean that he continuously uses chakra to remain lightened?
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. He uses chakra for a moment to make his target light, then they remain lightened until made heavy again.I'll post their DB descriptions here just so you get this point through your thick skull.
Let's get this out of the way first:
You have got to be kidding me. If burden of proof is the focal point of your argument then your argument completely falls apart as I just spent four paragraphs explaining to you, in chronological order, why the burden of proof is on YOU like you already admitted in another thread.
Do NOT start acting like anything has changed since then, because it hasn't. I just explained why in my last post, and you ignored it. Muu only suppressing his chakra from sensors is irrelevant to my core argument. I understand that burden of proof is a real actual thing- but you abuse that phrase by using it in situations when it doesn't apply to the person you are arguing with, something
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Now we're going to start from square one, all over again.
1. YOU DID NOT PROVE THAT SHARINGAN IGNORES LIGHT. STOP SAYING THAT. I literally just explained in my last post why this notion is idiotic. The way eyesight works is by light entering the eye. If sharingan ignored light, it would not see anything. You didn't even address this. Ignoring light = blindness. Your only reasoning for sharingan ignoring light is the fact that it can see through solid objects and gives chakra a color. Oh wait, how do we see color? Different spectrums of light. X-Rays see through solid objects just like sharingan, but they don't ignore light. You just have to accept that there's not a specific method Kishimoto introduced which allows dojutsu to see through solid objects. He just thought: "X-Ray vision! Cool!" and left it at that with no further explanation. Does that mean sharingan ignores light? Obviously phucking not.
Moving on.
2. Sharingan doesn't see Muu because sharingan only sees two things:
-Sharingan sees everything a normal human eye would see. Normal human eyes see light btw
lol).-Sharingan also gives color to chakra.
When Muu uses his invisibility technique, this is what happens. Upon it first being activated, he uses his chakra to manipulate water droplets to bend light around him. Once he's completely invisible, he suppresses his chakra (hence why sensors can't detect him) but the water droplets continue to do their job. Now, when a sharingan user looks at Muu, their eyes will be fooled by the water droplets which bend light. Since all eyesight is dependant on light reflecting off surfaces regardless of dojutsu, sharingan won't see him. Now to address chakra vision: Muu's body is behind a layer of water droplets (DB says he "wears" them.) Muu's chakra is inside his body. So chakra vision won't see him when its vision is deflected by the outer layer of water droplets which bend light.
Further evidence is that Konan's camouflage technique fooled Obito as he didn't realize he was standing on an
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, and DB specifically mentions it fooling sharingan.PPOGT ➡ So thanks to Saist's better scans I could finally read Konan's Paper Ocean (or Paper Emissary) technique properly. So some clarifications. Konan doesn't turn the Water into Explosive tags, rather it's just that she can camouflage her paper as a variety of things, and the camouflage is so good that even Sharingan is deceived by it (hence Obito not noticing he was standing on a sea of explosive tags). It's also said that escape from the jutsu is impossible even with Obito's Space-Time ninjutsu
What's this? An eye-catching line in Muu's invisibility jutsu DB description:
"DBC ➡⬇ By bending the surrounding light with water, the user can pretend not to be there. The mechanics are similar to optical camouflage."
What is Konan's camouflage technique? Optical camouflage. Proving sharingan can be prevented from seeing chakra right in front of it.
But that's still not everything. Kabuto hypes him to have no form, no chakra, and the dude even has a nickname.
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Then three kages hype Muu on this page, including Onoki who implies his entire war strategy could be hindered be a single man. Onoki has knowledge on his predecessor's technique, so he shouldn't be saying that ("why, let's just match him up against the Hyuugas!") Also Tsunade, who knows about the Leaf Village's visual capabilities, expressed knowledge on Muu and said only Onoki could stop him.
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From a portrayal standpoint, sharingan being able to see Muu makes absolutely no sense.
So there. If you say "burden of proof is on you" or "you have no proof" one more time I'm going to quit this thread right then and there because it means nothing I'm saying is getting through to you, as I just gave you a ton of evidence.
Show me where I ignored IRL physics anywhere in my argument. Show me that right now because I haven't, I actually used IRL physics to show why your argument for sharingan ignoring light is shit. If sharingan ignored light at all, it wouldn't see anything. Pretty much everything here I addressed in my last paragraph. Seeing through things=/=ignoring light. That's your whole argument right there, because you can't give any reason why specifically sharingan can see Muu other than that it sees through things. X-Rays see through things but don't ignore light, so again, you're wrong.
A large portion of this text is false, because you haven't been able to disprove the obvious fact that sharingan does in fact give color to chakra passively. If sharingan didn't give a color to chakra passively, then Obito wouldn't have seen Taiseki- he'd only see it the same color that he would normally see it, which is no color (transparent.) It's only when there's chakra behind a solid, opaque object that chakra vision needs to be activated. If sharingan could only see "perceivable" chakra (chakra around Asuma's blades, Susanoo, Ay's armour, etc) when it's not activated into "chakra-seeing mode", then sharingan wouldn't work any differently than a normal eye without "chakra-seeing mode" because those are things normal eyes can see. This is obviously wrong since Obito would not have seen Taiseki if sharingan saw chakra the same way normal eyes do when it's not "activated."
Btw, Sasuke's eyes definitely DID give a color to the nano bombs inside his bloodstream [
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]. All the bombs are the same color. Just because they're drawn descriptively doesn't change that, as it's the exact same case as
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