Kakashi overrating? Sudden increase!

[Flawž]

But guess what... Obito is nothing without kamui and six paths of rinnegan. Kakashi is actually way more powerful if neither uses kamui.

Kakashi cannot use kamui.

riakri has no effect.

What else is he gonna use?

water style- water splash jutsu?

 

[Westside]

Well Obito before he got rinnegan was relaying on kamui too, but now that they both have to fight without kamui and obito's rinnegan abilities won't help him there, most likely it will be TnJ to the win!

 

[-Raviel-]

It's a manga trend so don't take it too seriously.

 

[Flawž]

^ this, although S-Class is probably below Kage tho. Most can beat S-class but not all S-class can beat Kages.

akatsuki are mostly S rank and Most of them could beat many of the kage's.

 

[Sir Blades]

Kakashi is kage level, the mother F*cker was chosen as kage by the lord.

 

[FreakensteinAG]

but the only reason kakashi is considered "strong" is because of kamui. Now he cannot use it.

Obito has the rinnegan and Mokuton. Other uchiha jutsus.

Apologies, I added more stuff before I realized you replied

Kakashi cannot use Kamui either, but considering the amount of times he actually uses it in a fight (sparringly), this doesn't damage Kakashi's rating not-even-nearly as much as Obito's hindrance.

Obito has rinnegan and Mokuton, while Kakashi has a wide arsenal of elemental jutsu, including Rasengan and Raikiri. What is Obito's speed compared to Kakashi's? Who knows? Obito's been using Kamui this whole time. I remember back in the pre-Pain arc when he was able to dodge several of the Konoha 11's taijutsu before resorting to Kamui afterwards, but this was pretty far back in the series. If you don't use it, it does not improve.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Kakashi isn't even in top 15 he's in top 20

:/

As for his his OP tech witch is only thing tht even puts him at low Kage level a number of ppl can get by it

He can do it about 4-6 times by himself
But witch shinobi u think can counter it


Obito for obvious reasons
Anyone with a good sage mode (meanif jman naruto kabuto prime and hashirama) simply because their sensing abilities r increaSed and they're suppose to feel when a jutsu is happening

Orochimaru because of body shedding when it attaches to him he should logically just shed his skin thus warping a shell of himself rather then him escaping it
Tht goes for kabuto prime as well

Sasori prime he was said to transfer himself trough any puppet he controls idk if its fast enough but I see him getting by kuami

Gaara even if kuami does happen gaara can slip out of his sand Shield. And if he kaumi sand all gaara has to do is wave his hand and the sand will come bac I mean look at deidara he found his arm eventually as long as the sand is still in naruto universe gaara can still get it bac cuz his chakra is mixed with it


Also anyone with Susanno because if he try to kamoi it the faster can just turn Susanno off

Anybody who moves at instant speeds (Ay naruto)
And others as well

 

[Chief Gaito]

If anything Kakash is top 5 and obito would be top 15 because all he really does is use his eye jutsu.

 

[CDT23]

Yes, Kakashi isn't as powerful as what they say he is.

HOWEVA!

Now that Obito cannot use Kamui while in Kamui World, Obito's rating plummets significantly. Kakashi has more of a chance than he ever did beforehand. Kakashi cannot use Kamui either, but considering the amount of times he actually uses it in a fight (sparringly), this doesn't damage Kakashi's rating not-even-nearly as much as Obito's hindrance.

also true but what are you gonna do against someone who cant be hurt either way obito has piccalo feats now. and he took control of Yagura for a long time... so idk why kishi hasnt shown him using any Genjutsu. I still think Kakashi will win though. Kishi will play favorites in the end, either with power boost, or Plot.

 

[P3ĮÑ]

Obito>itachi =obito>kakashi........ Outstanding logic lol

 

[OWanime]

well kakashi has more an advantage now that they both can't really use kamui well and also raikiri would have an effect if kakashi put it thru obito's head xd just because it doesn't affect his zetsu side doesn't mean his human side isn't there (some symbolism there) tnj is comin up maybe naruto who does it though xd

 

[5nationer]

Kakashi is the best shinobi

 

[Draphsin]

But guess what... Obito is nothing without kamui and six paths of rinnegan. Kakashi is actually way more powerful if neither uses kamui.

What are you talking about?

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[Oksus]

Kakashi is High ANBU Rank at the most.
He's nowhere near Kage Rank.

People just over rate Kamui to the point where it's not even cool anymore.
If Kakashi could use Kamui to beat everyone, he would've killed the 7 Swordsmen and Deva Path with it.

...but you know what? Kakashi couldn't 'cause of his chakra reserves.

Kakashi is low kage rank, stop underestimating him

 

[Flawž]

Apologies, I added more stuff before I realized you replied


Obito has rinnegan and Mokuton, while Kakashi has a wide arsenal of elemental jutsu, including Rasengan and Raikiri. What is Obito's speed compared to Kakashi's? Who knows? Obito's been using Kamui this whole time. I remember back in the pre-Pain arc when he was able to dodge several of the Konoha 11's taijutsu before resorting to Kamui afterwards, but this was pretty far back in the series. If you don't use it, it does not improve.

kakashi:

-No kamui

-Riakri has no effect

-other Regular jutsu's

obito:

-no kamui

-Has Mokuton

-Has the rinnegan

-Rinnegan allow's obito to use all the elements and he can copy them with his sharingan

-Izanagi

-Other Rikudo and Uchiha Jutsu's


You see the difference?

 

[Flawž]

Obito>itachi =obito>kakashi........ Outstanding logic lol

thats correct.

 

[FreakensteinAG]

kakashi:

-No kamui

-Riakri has no effect

-other Regular jutsu's

obito:

-no kamui

-Has Mokuton

-Has the rinnegan

-Rinnegan allow's obito to use all the elements and he can copy them with his sharingan

-Izanagi

-Other Rikudo and Uchiha Jutsu's


You see the difference?

Yes, I'm quite aware of the power gap between the two, but I was never arguing for the victory of Kakashi in the first place. I was only fact checking and making sure power is given where its due to make sure there isn't too much of a bias =D

 

[EZQ]

It's not important if you like it or not, kakashi is strong because of PLOT, as any character! how do you think naruto didn't die against kimimaro? PLOT, i'm tired of that argument.

Kakashi is currently on the high kage tier, (God tier, Legend tier, bijuu tier, high kage tier) and yes he is in the top 15.

Obito is top 5

Obito > Kakashi , but you can't deny kakashi is fast, without kamui he's around top 30, with it he's top 15 and debatable at top 10, Almost noone can counter it, i hate the idea too, but it's the same with kabuto, he's n1 with edo tensei, it doesn't matter if you like it or not

 

[CDT23]

akatsuki are mostly S rank and Most of them could beat many of the kage's.

Arguably yes that is also true. some of the Kage did get killed by S rank Akatsuki, 3 of the Kazekage and Yagura but i think it would depend on which Member fights which Kage. Example, Diedara vs Raikage would be over quick imo.

 

[Flawž]

Yes, I'm quite aware of the power gap between the two, but I was never arguing for the victory of Kakashi in the first place. I was only fact checking and making sure power is given where its due to make sure there isn't too much of a bias =D

i am certainly not biased even tho i like obito over kakashi.

Kakashi is very intelligent, Quick thinker, Wide variety of jutsu's and Has a strong will. But that is not enough to go 1 on one with the main villain who has the rinnegan which is rikudo's ultimate weopen, Also has Mokuton which is one of the most dangerous jutsu's out there. He also has a fail safe plan to use izanagi if he has to.

Rikudo and uchiha Jutsu's that madara taught him as well.

The only reason kakashi is standing a chance in the manga is because it's plot and because they were friends. Otherwise, obito would of killed kakashi long ago.