[Discussion] Kaido and Shanks are confirmed beasts!

[Punk Hazard]

If you're looking at it with that much scrutiny, then no "World's Strongest" title makes any sense since someone could be stronger than them and just hasn't challenged them. I doubt Oda wrote it with the intention that people would start going "Yeah but the WG doesn't know this and doesn't know that."

 

[arv993]

And what were you when you called everyone that has a different opinion than you "idiots?" You ain't on any high horse, kid.



There isn't a single bit of hype that Shanks has that can't be matched by Akainu hype. Go ahead, provide one example and let's see how far we can go before there's hype for Shanks that can't be matched by Akainu.



Cheap shots? All three Admirals went up against Whitebeard without cheap shots. The only cheap shots were Squard's stab, which was Sengoku's plan and didn't even phase Whitebeard, and the cheap shot WHITEBEARD took on Akainu. You've got it backwards.



They really haven't though. The Admirals have never been the focus of an arc that would allow Oda to naturally delve into hype. In Marineford, he said that he's specifically and willingly left out expositional details aside from Whitebeard and Ace and their crew because he wanted to keep the rapid pace of the war going and to not confuse the readers. And that's the arc with the most focus on Admirals thus far. So far, Admirals have been in about three arcs: Long Ring Island, Marineford, and Sabaody. And none of these arcs would allow for natural exposition for a lot of hype for Admirals.

The chapter "Suicide" was dedicated 90% to giving Kaido hype to set up Wano. Whole Cake is dedicated to Big Mom's story with the Strawhats, so of course she'll get a lot of hype. There simply hasn't been arc where Oda would have the opportunity to hype the Admirals like he has the Yonko.

LOL why are u calling ppl kids on internet forums says a lot about u and idiots is a harmless word and is applicable to ppl who are in denial like some admiral fanboys on the base. anyways hype is a good metric to judge strength and yonko have the edge thats not even debatable thus i called them idiots who disagreed with that.

Shanks is not exposed as much but he stopped kaido, calshed equally with a non injured WB, Oda made the heaven split all that is an edge to shanks in hype but lets say its equal. Hes not even the most hyped yonko, rn its kaido and BM.

Im not even gonna entertain the WB convo its old and pointless at this point, but fact is he was a dying old man who was a shell of himself, if you replaced kaido with akainu, kaido wouldnt be on the ground and would out right win probably on a lower end of high diff. Obviously this is based on hype but old WB seems like hes outmatched especially against ppl this durable.

Admirals already showed a lot of what they can do, they arent all that mysterious to even hype them with, they got great hype, they can take yonkos to very high diff to extreme. Theres not gonna be much more than that. We already saw what akainu is at his best, hes about as strong as an old WB maybe less whatever its debatable which is respectable.

and the likes of fujitora are even less impressive, his hype is very minimal compared to Big mom and other yonkos. Yonkos get hyped all across many chapters, ppl give them an aura of invincibility that you just dont see with as much with admirals. This is oda's portryal and if you dont see it oh well dont be a fanboy.

and im guessing ur not going with kaido getting beat 12 times argument anymore, lmao how illogical are you gonna be. next ur gonna say schibukai = all 4 yonko or something but u already did. Ppl with outrageous opinions should be called out for it, its called fanboying.

 

[arv993]

Not even the full force of the marines crushed the WB pirates and their 43 allied crews despite having extra backup and some Shichibukais turn-coating. Only VA John Giant & Lonz were beaten while the entire WB crew would've been slaughtered.

Moriah, the dude preskip Luffy could fight and got crushed by Jinbe, matched Kaido in the past. Doesn't help your case. Akainu easily stalemated WB and old man was outmatched with each new admiral he faced.

Good job calling those who has a logical opinion idiots because you don't like it.

If we go by what Oda told us the 7 shichibukai= 4 yonko= Marine HQ. Marines main power comes from the admirals from what we have seen as most vice admirals are fodder to yonko. But I don't think the 7 shichibukai= 4 yonko Admirals are definitely on Yonko levels and would be a high diff fight either way

Where did I wrote Admirals=Yonkos ???
I only gave instances where Admirals were hyped.


What does Moria has to do with Kaido getting captured???


Shichibukai does comes no matter who summons them. They help Admirals in stopping their opponents as shown in MF and 3d2y movie.

PH basically showed what will happen if 2 strongest guys in OPverse clash. It was indeed impressive since it showed Akainu's behavior that he doesn't care who he faces. He just wants to finish what he started(something like this was shown in MF arc also).


Yes they are in same league in terms of power, influence, intelligence as any Yonkos is in OP.

@ VAnder

yea its also only a 4th of the yonkos powers, and BM and Kaido have even more impressive allies that makes their crew likely even more powerful. especially kaido being a leader of a very strong country etc.

You didn't get my point Vander i said even someone like moriah was a rival to kaido so we dont kno the power level of kaido when he lost to yonkos and marines he may have been weaker and even if he wasnt its a group effort, is it impressive to defeat aokiji when its a yonko and his army beating him, no its not. i dont consider group efforts as hype for admirals.

and btw doffy is more of a servant to kaido than he is to WG. but even then yonko seem to have more firepower. but lets ignore that its a small point in a much larger discussion. and no your points arent all that logical so Im calling it as I see it.

@ Itachi

I believe its yonko = admirals + schibukai

It doesnt make any sense to me that schibukai can legitimately rival these two other factions. Its debatable if schibukai can beat yonko let alone equal 4.

@blaze

fair enough i misread your post sorry about that.

That fight was impressive, I said that but it still doesnt equal the hype the likes of BM and kaido and prime WB got. back then they always made a point to say Roger= garp now you dont hear akainu=kaido etc. The admirals seem a bit below the avg yonko.

read what i said to vander, moriah was once a rival to kaido, i mean that we dont know if kaido was weaker when he lost to marines and other pirates.

 

[Punk Hazard]

LOL why are u calling ppl kids on internet forums says a lot about u and idiots is a harmless word and is applicable to ppl who are in denial like some admiral fanboys on the base. anyways hype is a good metric to judge strength and yonko have the edge thats not even debatable thus i called them idiots who disagreed with that.

So I'm immature for calling someone a kid, but you did nothing wrong by calling a bunch of people who disagreed with you idiots? That's genius.

Shanks is not exposed as much but he stopped kaido,

Terrible example, since we have no information on how that went besides that it wasn't a serious fight.

calshed equally with a non injured WB,

So did Akainu. And no, Squard's stab doesn't matter.

Oda made the heaven split all that is an edge to shanks in hype but lets say its equal. Hes not even the most hyped yonko, rn its kaido and BM.

Pretty much the same as permanently changing an island's weather.

Im not even gonna entertain the WB convo its old and pointless at this point, but fact is he was a dying old man who was a shell of himself, if you replaced kaido with akainu, kaido wouldnt be on the ground

Replace Whitebeard jumping Akainu with Akainu and him squaring off like they did the first time, and Akainu wouldn't be on the ground either.

Admirals already showed a lot of what they can do,

No they haven't, considering Akainu and Aokiji didn't show anything remotely capable of permanently changing the weather at Marineford, nor did they show their Haki prowess since it was pre-skip.

and the likes of fujitora are even less impressive, his hype is very minimal compared to Big mom and other yonkos. Yonkos get hyped all across many chapters, ppl give them an aura of invincibility that you just dont see with as much with admirals. This is oda's portryal and if you dont see it oh well dont be a fanboy.

Like I said before, when has Oda gotten the chance to hype the Admirals? It took us 19 years to get hype for Big Mom and Kaido, who were mentioned before Kizaru and Akainu were. Idk why you're acting like the time to give Admirals more hype has come and gone.

 

[arv993]

my quote isnt working for some reason. But again with the load of bs riker.

Its not disagreements its what the author is seriously implying, if ppl came out and said doffy = BM or something its dumb , this is not as ridiculous but still dumb to say on avg admirals got equal hype when they absolutely did not.

I gave other examples of shanks hype, that was one of lesser impressive ones.

small clashes arent equal to the one shanks had, otherwise i can say croco boy = mihawk. WB and akainu had more of a casual clash, but heaven splitting is a clear indication of being equal, but shanks would win since hes younger, not sick etc

yea akainu also got a freebie heart attack punch which was devastating and yet he couldnt fully put him down after that, kaido would have likely ended him right there and not let WB puunch him back to the ground.

UM they fought for 10 days, thats another reason why it was permanently changed. WB can break off islands, kaido cant be hurt etc all that is expected of the top tier. If someone fought on that island with DC capabilities of ppl i mentioned yes i expect something on that scale. I am more impressed with the duration of the battle which shows how tough they are.

So there is an order to when he hypes someone, he showed feats of admirals way b4 any yonko feats. I guess we got to wait till 2035 to get weebles hype, Lmao what kinda bs logic is that. Oh jack must have even more hype ooh i cant wait LMAO. ur reaches are getting astronomical.

But seriously the yonko were introduced as mysterious characters as silhouettes, we wouldnt know their true powers till much later. Admirals were introduced as just beasts and we got to see from the get go. A lot of their powers were seen in MF we got to see them go against high level opponents and could gauge their abilities quite well from there. So your examples make absolutely no sense.

 

[Punk Hazard]

my quote isnt working for some reason. But again with the load of bs riker.

Its not disagreements its what the author is seriously implying, if ppl came out and said doffy = BM or something its dumb , this is not as ridiculous but still dumb to say on avg admirals got equal hype when they absolutely did not.

That's because we have hypes and feats that clearly put BM over Doffy. You haven't shown any hype or feats that do the same for Shanks.

I gave other examples of shanks hype, that was one of lesser impressive ones.

And I addressed them all? lol

small clashes arent equal to the one shanks had, otherwise i can say croco boy = mihawk. WB and akainu had more of a casual clash, but heaven splitting is a clear indication of being equal, but shanks would win since hes younger, not sick etc

Not really, considering Akainu's and Whitebeard's clash sent a shockwave far out through Marineford, which might as well be as good as sending a shockwave upwards and causing the sky to split.

yea akainu also got a freebie heart attack punch which was devastating and yet he couldnt fully put him down after that, kaido would have likely ended him right there and not let WB puunch him back to the ground.

Funnily enough, Akainu's "Freebie" could have led to WB dying if not for PIS. On the other hand, WB's freebie couldn't even stop Akainu from continuing to wreak havoc for the WB pirates.

So there is an order to when he hypes someone,

Not really. It occurs whenever Oda thinks it best for the story for it to occur. In the arcs that we've seen Admirals display their feats, they were either overwhelming or matching top tiers. Fujitora's gravity spanning all across Dressrosa is on par with Whitebeard tilting the air around Marineford, for instance. Kizaru rounding up 500 experienced pirates and effortlessly beating down members of the Worst Generation was also good hype. Kuzan, Akainu and Kizaru all were able to fight and get the upper hand on Whitebeard. And Oda hasn't even properly explored them yet like he's done some of the Emperors.

he showed feats of admirals way b4 any yonko feats. I guess we got to wait till 2035 to get weebles hype, Lmao what kinda bs logic is that. Oh jack must have even more hype ooh i cant wait LMAO. ur reaches are getting astronomical.

That's...not what I said. At all. I mentioned the fact that we waited 19 years to get Big Mom and Kaido hype to show that Oda isn't just hyping everyone all at once whenever. Hype for characters can come at ANY time. You're acting like the hype Oda has given the Emperors so far is ALL the hype they can possibly get.

But seriously the yonko were introduced as mysterious characters as silhouettes, we wouldnt know their true powers till much later. Admirals were introduced as just beasts and we got to see from the get go.

No we didn't. The Admirals were introduced the same way The Emperors were. One of them made an appearance, and then we got mentions of them through other characters talking about how fearsome they are. For Yonko, it was Garp, for Admirals it was Robin and other miscellaneous pirates and figures.

A lot of their powers were seen in MF we got to see them go against high level opponents and could gauge their abilities quite well from there. So your examples make absolutely no sense.

And going by this, they still measure up to the Emperors since they were able to contend with Whitebeard and even get the upper hand sooo

 

[chopstickchakra]

So I'm immature for calling someone a kid, but you did nothing wrong by calling a bunch of people who disagreed with you idiots? That's genius.


Terrible example, since we have no information on how that went besides that it wasn't a serious fight.


So did Akainu. And no, Squard's stab doesn't matter.


Pretty much the same as permanently changing an island's weather.


Replace Whitebeard jumping Akainu with Akainu and him squaring off like they did the first time, and Akainu wouldn't be on the ground either.

No they haven't, considering Akainu and Aokiji didn't show anything remotely capable of permanently changing the weather at Marineford, nor did they show their Haki prowess since it was pre-skip.



Like I said before, when has Oda gotten the chance to hype the Admirals? It took us 19 years to get hype for Big Mom and Kaido, who were mentioned before Kizaru and Akainu were. Idk why you're acting like the time to give Admirals more hype has come and gone.

ehh this may be splitting hairs but Akainu never really fought an uninjured WB. WB was sick and off his meds from the second he set foot in MF the same's not true for the Shanks encounter. Now to what degree the difference between those two WB's is, is subjective but objectively they weren't the same situation.

 

[arv993]

That's because we have hypes and feats that clearly put BM over Doffy. You haven't shown any hype or feats that do the same for Shanks.



And I addressed them all? lol



Not really, considering Akainu's and Whitebeard's clash sent a shockwave far out through Marineford, which might as well be as good as sending a shockwave upwards and causing the sky to split.



Funnily enough, Akainu's "Freebie" could have led to WB dying if not for PIS. On the other hand, WB's freebie couldn't even stop Akainu from continuing to wreak havoc for the WB pirates.


Not really. It occurs whenever Oda thinks it best for the story for it to occur. In the arcs that we've seen Admirals display their feats, they were either overwhelming or matching top tiers. Fujitora's gravity spanning all across Dressrosa is on par with Whitebeard tilting the air around Marineford, for instance. Kizaru rounding up 500 experienced pirates and effortlessly beating down members of the Worst Generation was also good hype. Kuzan, Akainu and Kizaru all were able to fight and get the upper hand on Whitebeard. And Oda hasn't even properly explored them yet like he's done some of the Emperors.


That's...not what I said. At all. I mentioned the fact that we waited 19 years to get Big Mom and Kaido hype to show that Oda isn't just hyping everyone all at once whenever. Hype for characters can come at ANY time. You're acting like the hype Oda has given the Emperors so far is ALL the hype they can possibly get.


No we didn't. The Admirals were introduced the same way The Emperors were. One of them made an appearance, and then we got mentions of them through other characters talking about how fearsome they are. For Yonko, it was Garp, for Admirals it was Robin and other miscellaneous pirates and figures.



And going by this, they still measure up to the Emperors since they were able to contend with Whitebeard and even get the upper hand sooo

oh you addressed them did you now? Thats a joke all you do is make false equivalencies. Shanks isnt even my main argument I said he has the least hype compared to other yonko due to him not fleshed out as much. Doffy is clearly below kaido, similar to how other admirals are clearly below kaido he is the strongest, and BM has hype going for her that is above admirals. My example is just of one that the two individuals are closer in strength.

lol that mini clash was equal to heaven splitting clash dude you are beyond delusional. that was much more casual and meant nothing as a clash, it was like ace and aokiji clash or the random clashes by nonequal ppl in MF. dont even try equating that to clear as day monumental clash that was shanks and WB.

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Oh now we are using PIS as an excuse, maybe its cuz WB is durable or atleast can take a lot of damage and not fall apart immediately. Really weaksauce explanations as usual.

Where did oda properly explore kaido, and shanks or even BB's new powers all he gave us was glimpses. He showed us way more of admirals than he did of what yonko can really do.

Wow Kizaru rounding up fodder and preskip pirates was so tough lmao this is getting pathetic shanks soloing most of the fodder on WB's ship just with haki is just as impressive if not more so. those are quite minor feats in terms of the hype we get now. LOL fujitora's gravity is on WB's level, plz doffy's birdcage was just as impressive and fuji needed help to stop that.


Theres characters like doffy with incredible destructive potential, I wouldnt call them yonko level just on that. Oda didnt specifically stop and make a huge deal of it either, but for yonkos every time he just lumps them with praise and characters hyping them beyond imagination. Fuji got a lot of time on screen and yet I still say BM takes the hype game easily.

Yea both admirals and yonko can get more hype but we have good foundation now to base our standings in the powerscale we saw the strongest marine use most if not all his moves and it was impressive just not on yonko's level.

Yea they had an upper hand on a damaged, ill and old yonko. Replace shanks, BM or kaido for the 3 admirals that would have ended way sooner than it did. Bm and kaido with the durability they had would have been on a rampage. marco and jozu would have been finished, unlike kizaru needing some extra help and kairoseki and all that.

ehh this may be splitting hairs but Akainu never really fought an uninjured WB. WB was sick and off his meds from the second he set foot in MF the same's not true for the Shanks encounter. Now to what degree the difference between those two WB's is, is subjective but objectively they weren't the same situation.

Thats not called splitting hairs, being heavily injured and not being injured is a big difference.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

my quote isnt working for some reason. But again with the load of bs riker.

Its not disagreements its what the author is seriously implying, if ppl came out and said doffy = BM or something its dumb , this is not as ridiculous but still dumb to say on avg admirals got equal hype when they absolutely did not.

I gave other examples of shanks hype, that was one of lesser impressive ones.

small clashes arent equal to the one shanks had, otherwise i can say croco boy = mihawk. WB and akainu had more of a casual clash, but heaven splitting is a clear indication of being equal, but shanks would win since hes younger, not sick etc

yea akainu also got a freebie heart attack punch which was devastating and yet he couldnt fully put him down after that, kaido would have likely ended him right there and not let WB puunch him back to the ground.

UM they fought for 10 days, thats another reason why it was permanently changed. WB can break off islands, kaido cant be hurt etc all that is expected of the top tier. If someone fought on that island with DC capabilities of ppl i mentioned yes i expect something on that scale. I am more impressed with the duration of the battle which shows how tough they are.

So there is an order to when he hypes someone, he showed feats of admirals way b4 any yonko feats. I guess we got to wait till 2035 to get weebles hype, Lmao what kinda bs logic is that. Oh jack must have even more hype ooh i cant wait LMAO. ur reaches are getting astronomical.

But seriously the yonko were introduced as mysterious characters as silhouettes, we wouldnt know their true powers till much later. Admirals were introduced as just beasts and we got to see from the get go. A lot of their powers were seen in MF we got to see them go against high level opponents and could gauge their abilities quite well from there. So your examples make absolutely no sense.

"Not my opinion. Its what the manga says"...typical. The manga isn't implying anything f the sort. Its just you trying to justify your opinion by claiming it as fact and calling others idiots because their opinions are different.

Everything you're saying is just assumptions and you go as far as to say that 1 yonko can have have more firepower than the marines. Again, just one big assumption so that your argument holds. We CLEARLY saw WB & his forces get crushed by not even the full force of the marines & no good fighters on the marines side were beaten while the yonko's crew would've been completely annihilated.

Shanks stopped a war that was already won by the marines and it was Sengoku's call. Sengoku is very rational & knew that fighting was pointless. He also respected WB while even guys like VA Doberman told Shanks to piss off.

WB got two freebee attacks on Akainu & guess what? He would've slaughtered Marco & his entire crew. You're just being very selective to get a point across. Listen to this simple logic: the yonko are currently getting hype because this the the 4 YONKO SAGA. The 4 yonko are the primary antagonists of the saga so of course they will get hype and not the admirals currently. Marineford was more than enough to tell you the admiral are an equal threat to yonkos 1v1. What yonkos have over admirals is that admirals mostly go at it alone or with a small team while the yonko have their crews & allies. Again, stop being selective.

The admirals were introduced as silhouettes as well as we still haven't seen their full power so....once again, stop being selective.

 

[arv993]

"Not my opinion. Its what the manga says"...typical. The manga isn't implying anything f the sort. Its just you trying to justify your opinion by claiming it as fact and calling others idiots because their opinions are different.

Everything you're saying is just assumptions and you go as far as to say that 1 yonko can have have more firepower than the marines. Again, just one big assumption so that your argument holds. We CLEARLY saw WB & his forces get crushed by not even the full force of the marines & no good fighters on the marines side were beaten while the yonko's crew would've been completely annihilated.

Shanks stopped a war that was already won by the marines and it was Sengoku's call. Sengoku is very rational & knew that fighting was pointless. He also respected WB while even guys like VA Doberman told Shanks to piss off.

WB got two freebee attacks on Akainu & guess what? He would've slaughtered Marco & his entire crew. You're just being very selective to get a point across. Listen to this simple logic: the yonko are currently getting hype because this the the 4 YONKO SAGA. The 4 yonko are the primary antagonists of the saga so of course they will get hype and not the admirals currently. Marineford was more than enough to tell you the admiral are an equal threat to yonkos 1v1. What yonkos have over admirals is that admirals mostly go at it alone or with a small team while the yonko have their crews & allies. Again, stop being selective.

The admirals were introduced as silhouettes as well as we still haven't seen their full power so....once again, stop being selective.

1 yonko = marines where the fuq did I say that. I said all 4 yonko together chave more firepower than the marines but they are not allied. Learn to read before saying something so far from what i said. That right there indicates you didnt read anything I posted when I quoted you. Shanks isnt even my argument why are u referring to shanks every two seconds, stop blabbering the same points, we know the reason why the war ended.

Its not assumptions, hype is easily measured. What instance was akainu ever put in the same breadth as kaido, did he receive any praise of that sort. absolutely not. right there is called manga clearly telling you who is top dog and you just letting your fanboyism make you blind. the top yonko was portrayed as above the top marine. Ans all the other yonko are close in hype, but you got ppl like fuji who are relatively meh in the hype department.

Name me instances where FUjitora was hyped anywhere close to BM was in OP, Doffy was scared of kaido but he thought there was a chance against an admiral and treated him more of an equal. Although doffy is inferior to fuji, he was never frightened and he could probably give fuji a high diff fight. but kaido made doffy shit his pants. ppl of the same level shouldnt be regarded so differently.

Akainu by himself was going to slaughter all of the yonko's crew? Akainu set up the whole squardo thing, the guy wanted every advantage he can get on Wb. And akainu couldnt outright beat an old battered ill WB. Where as you got yonko who are younger and probably slightly stronger than that version of WB and thats not enough to convince you yonko have the power edge?

See how easy the conclusion is. Dont let fanboyism get in the way. Oda set it up pretty easily for us to understand the power balance in OP.

Admirals were shown way earlier it doesnt matter if they initially were silhouettes, Admirals were shown and their capabilities were shown MF, kaido and BM are just shown now. And the new and improved BB was shown for a brief background story adn we dont even know how they fight we just know their strength is otherworldly. What more are the admirals going to show, we know where akainu, aokiji, and fujitora stand in power levels. we dont kno BB, we dont kno Kaido except that hes the strongest of them all, shanks is even less shown. Yonko are still more mysterious than admirals in the future, so oda revealing more about admirals is delusional.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

1 yonko = marines where the fuq did I say that. I said all 4 yonko together chave more firepower than the marines but they are not allied. Learn to read before saying something so far from what i said. That right there indicates you didnt read anything I posted when I quoted you. Shanks isnt even my argument why are u referring to shanks every two second, top blabbering the same points, we know the reason why the war ended.

Its not assumptions, hype is easily measured. What instance was akainu ever put in the same breadth as kaido, did he receive any praise of that sort. absolutely not. right there is called manga clearly telling you who is top dog and you just letting your fanboyism make you blind.

Name me instances where FUjitora was hyped anywhere close to BM was in this chapter, Doffy was scared of kaido but he thought there was a chance against an admiral and treated him more of an equal. Although doffy is inferior to fuji, his strength does not command the level of a yonko.

Akainu by himself was going to slaughter all of the yonko's crew? Akainu set up the whole squardo thing, the guy wanted every advantage he can get on Wb. And akainu couldnt outright beat an old battered ill WB. Where as you got yonko who are younger and probably slightly stronger than that version of WB and thats not enough to convince you yonko have the power edge?

See how easy the conclusion is. Dont let fanboyism get in the way. Oda set it up pretty easily for us to understand the power balance in OP.

Admirals were shown way earlier it doesnt matter if they initially were silhouettes, Admirals were shown and their capabilities were shown MF, kaido and BM are just shown now. And the new and improved BB was shown for a brief background story adn we dont even know how they fight we just know their strength is otherworldly. What more are the admirals going to show, we know where akainu, aokiji, and fujitora stand in power levels. we dont kno BB, we dont kno Kaido except that hes the strongest of them all, shanks is even less shown. Yonko are still more mysterious than admirals, so oda revealing more about admirals is delusional.

"fanboyism. fanboyism"...the fact the you need to rely on claiming others are just fanboys to make yourself sound smart is jarring....

We don't anything about the admirals either and we never saw what they can do at full power. You mentioned Shanks' hype in your posts so don't feign ignorance.

Doflamingo only stood up to Fuji because he thought Fuji wasn't going to do anything. He was a shichibukai and was protected.

Even Marco couldn't hurt Akainu. Akainu by himself himself would've killed off WB's crew & allies and that is obvious, as all of them together couldn't scratch Akainu. WB couldn't get the best of an Akainu who was holding back and needed a sneak attack to do damage. Once again, you're being selective.

You're seriously relying on "the yonko are mysterious" to claim they are in a different league to the admirals. Of course Kaido & BM would be getting hype. This is their arc & saga and you're clinging to that. You ASSUME what the admirals stand in power despite us not seeing them go all out. You're just assuming and claiming everything you say as fact & say others are being fanboys to make yourself feel like you're making a point being made.

 

[Punk Hazard]

"fanboyism. fanboyism"...the fact the you need to rely on claiming others are just fanboys to make yourself sound smart is jarring....

We don't anything about the admirals either and we never saw what they can do at full power. You mentioned Shanks' hype in your posts so don't feign ignorance.

Doflamingo only stood up to Fuji because he thought Fuji wasn't going to do anything. He was a shichibukai and was protected.

Even Marco couldn't hurt Akainu. Akainu by himself himself would've killed off WB's crew & allies and that is obvious, as all of them together couldn't scratch Akainu. WB couldn't get the best of an Akainu who was holding back and needed a sneak attack to do damage. Once again, you're being selective.

You're seriously relying on "the yonko are mysterious" to claim they are in a different league to the admirals. Of course Kaido & BM would be getting hype. This is their arc & saga and you're clinging to that. You ASSUME what the admirals stand in power despite us not seeing them go all out. You're just assuming and claiming everything you say as fact & say others are being fanboys to make yourself feel like you're making a point being made.

Pretty much.

 

[arv993]

"fanboyism. fanboyism"...the fact the you need to rely on claiming others are just fanboys to make yourself sound smart is jarring....

We don't anything about the admirals either and we never saw what they can do at full power. You mentioned Shanks' hype in your posts so don't feign ignorance.

Doflamingo only stood up to Fuji because he thought Fuji wasn't going to do anything. He was a shichibukai and was protected.

Even Marco couldn't hurt Akainu. Akainu by himself himself would've killed off WB's crew & allies and that is obvious, as all of them together couldn't scratch Akainu. WB couldn't get the best of an Akainu who was holding back and needed a sneak attack to do damage. Once again, you're being selective.

You're seriously relying on "the yonko are mysterious" to claim they are in a different league to the admirals. Of course Kaido & BM would be getting hype. This is their arc & saga and you're clinging to that. You ASSUME what the admirals stand in power despite us not seeing them go all out. You're just assuming and claiming everything you say as fact & say others are being fanboys to make yourself feel like you're making a point being made.

Thats what you are displaying based on what oda has portrayed so far.

Admirals went pretty much full power in MF, akainu was engaged in high level battle he was hell bent on stopping WB, its not like he was holding back.

kizaru might have held back but he was ineffective against marco and resorted to kairoseki, if he was o much above marco he wouldve given him the business. yes marco couldnt hurt akainu but he didnt hurt him either, akainu is better offensively than marco but marco wasnt getting trashed around or wasnt getting gravely hurt.

Wb did get a hit on him but so did akainu, he got squardo to hit him, he got hit after a heart attack, most yonko should easily dispatch someone in that sort of state. but akainu was battling with WB with all those disadvantages. the fact that you dont mention that it was a heavily injured Wb shows your bias, I kno Wb got a free hit in bt acknowledge the hit akainu got as well, except your narrative is skewed towards akainu. and u blame me for calling you a fanboy.

Doffy got threatened and said he would kill him later, but when kaido was mentioned started sweating bullets. Don't play dumb now.

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No I dont mean because they are mysterious they are more powerful, I mean that they have more about them yet to be revealed which is your whole bs argument for the lack of why admirals get less hype. We have seen admirals pretty much go all out except for fuji and aokiji. but we have seen them display their powers to a high level. Admirals arent probably even getting an own arc that is a big assumption,in the final fight we might get to see some new admiral and maybe more of fuji but other than that their standing in OP power balance is pretty much solidified which is slightly below yonko.

 

[Zorø]

she doesn't have conqueror's haki; she has king's haki, only shanks has conqueror's haki.

lmaoooooo lol.

 

[arv993]

Pretty much.

oh fanboy is such a bad term? sorry for using most accurate words to describe certain individuals but anyways once the scans break out the fanboys start to get butthurt so i dont expect much from you and vander in that regard.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

oh fanboy is such a bad term? sorry for using most accurate words to describe certain individuals but anyways once the scans break out the fanboys start to get butthurt so i dont expect much from you and vander in that regard.

No because it shows that you lack the competence to provide counter arguments and instead rely on calling others fanboys to make it see like you're right. There is a reason a lot of people in the OP section don't take you seriously. You call others delusional & immature yet get so upset when someone disagrees with you that you call them a fanboy & call them out for calling you out of your name, making you a hypocrite. You ignore facts stated by others and only focus on the ones that you think supports you, making you selective. Its very basic.

Your argument can be summed up like this: "The yonkos are in a different league because they are mysterious. The admirals used full power in Marineford." All I have to say is that they didn't use devil fruit awakening and your argument, if you can call it that, falls apart. Oh btw, since I know you'll cling to FUji-Doffy thing if I don't say anything, once again, doesn't change what I said. Doffy attacked Fuji because of their positions. He knew Fuji wouldn't do anything. Doffy even later said that he'll need a special plan to take out Fuji.Good job attacking someone you know you cant beat. Doffy must be a moron then.

You may continue with another comment saying "fanboy" and/or lacking logic. Its all you know how to do apparently.

 

[arv993]

No because it shows that you lack the competence to provide counter arguments and instead rely on calling others fanboys to make it see like you're right. There is a reason a lot of people in the OP section don't take you seriously. You call others delusional & immature yet get so upset when someone disagrees with you that you call them a fanboy & call them out for calling you out of your name, making you a hypocrite. You ignore facts stated by others and only focus on the ones that you think supports you, making you selective. Its very basic.

Your argument can be summed up like this: "The yonkos are in a different league because they are mysterious. The admirals used full power in Marineford." All I have to say is that they didn't use devil fruit awakening and your argument, if you can call it that, falls apart. Oh btw, since I know you'll cling to FUji-Doffy thing if I don't say anything, once again, doesn't change what I said. Doffy attacked Fuji because of their positions. He knew Fuji wouldn't do anything. Doffy even later said that he'll need a special plan to take out Fuji.Good job attacking someone you know you cant beat. Doffy must be a moron then.

You may continue with another comment saying "fanboy" and/or lacking logic. Its all you know how to do apparently.

I called you that because you see one side of the argument. and trust me I am so unhappy that you dont like me lol. Yeah I am sure you speak for the masses why did I ever doubt u on that. Lol but seriously you're lecturing me on insulting while saying nonsense like others dont take me seriously what are you running for a popularity contest?

Wow way to read "yonko are strong becuz they are mysterious," I just countered that description and yet you hold to it like a child because you dont have scans to back up your hype.

oh really you're saying admirals didnt go all out, what tf was akainu doing going 25% effort. dude be serious, your pretty much saying yea your hope is they get a power up, most DF users at that high level is gonna have awakening, which includes the yonko. And like I said we have more info on admirals and yet they have less hype, Oda on the other hand regardless of the arc puts the yonko on the pedestal, I can provide countless scans of superior portrayal but you would just go back to an assumption that oda will even the playing field, what a weak argument.

Read the scan doffy was threatened and yet considered him to be someone he can take out somehow, he even says it in another chapter that he will take him out not that he needs a special plan, yet for kaido he plainly says that he has no shot against him. Why dont you back what you're saying instead of a garbage opinion.
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The whole doffy aragument is nothing more than supplementary evidence to a greater point, Most hype scans are all in favor of yonko but you just refuse to see anything beside your warped view.

 

[LBeezy]

"fanboyism. fanboyism"...the fact the you need to rely on claiming others are just fanboys to make yourself sound smart is jarring....

We don't anything about the admirals either and we never saw what they can do at full power. You mentioned Shanks' hype in your posts so don't feign ignorance.

Doflamingo only stood up to Fuji because he thought Fuji wasn't going to do anything. He was a shichibukai and was protected.

Even Marco couldn't hurt Akainu. Akainu by himself himself would've killed off WB's crew & allies and that is obvious, as all of them together couldn't scratch Akainu. WB couldn't get the best of an Akainu who was holding back and needed a sneak attack to do damage. Once again, you're being selective.

You're seriously relying on "the yonko are mysterious" to claim they are in a different league to the admirals. Of course Kaido & BM would be getting hype. This is their arc & saga and you're clinging to that. You ASSUME what the admirals stand in power despite us not seeing them go all out. You're just assuming and claiming everything you say as fact & say others are being fanboys to make yourself feel like you're making a point being made.

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Are you trying to say that Akainu wins in a fight where he's by himself against WB + entire crew + all allies ?

 

[Vandenre1ch]

I called you that because you see one side of the argument. and trust me I am so unhappy that you dont like me lol. Yeah I am sure you speak for the masses why did I ever doubt u on that. Lol but seriously you're lecturing me on insulting while saying nonsense like others dont take me seriously what are you running for a popularity contest?

Wow way to read "yonko are strong becuz they are mysterious," I just countered that description and yet you hold to it like a child because you dont have scans to back up your hype.

oh really you're saying admirals didnt go all out, what tf was akainu doing going 25% effort. dude be serious, your pretty much saying yea your hope is they get a power up, most DF users at that high level is gonna have awakening, which includes the yonko. And like I said we have more info on admirals and yet they have less hype, Oda on the other hand regardless of the arc puts the yonko on the pedestal, I can provide countless scans of superior portrayal but you would just go back to an assumption that oda will even the playing field, what a weak argument.

Read the scan doffy was threatened and yet considered him to be someone he can take out somehow, he even says it in another chapter that he will take him out not that he needs a special plan, yet for kaido he plainly says that he has no shot against him. Why dont you back what you're saying instead of a garbage opinion.
the link for what he actually said.

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The whole doffy aragument is nothing more than supplementary evidence to a greater point, Most hype scans are all in favor of yonko but you just refuse to see anything beside your warped view.

Oda himself said that if Akainu was the protagonist, he'd find OP in a year & become PK. That means he'd get past Kaido, Shanks, Big Mom & Blackbeard along with their crews & allies. Oda's direct statement makes Akainu yonko tier and would be a yonko himself if he was a pirate. Guess what> The other admirals are in the same ballpark. Hell, even BB after getting the gura fruit ran away from Akainu. In Marineford, the admiral never used awakening or else they would've killed their subordinates & destroyed Marineford. They also had to protect the platform & the city, even going as far as to abandon their fights to protect them fro WB's quake punches. WB had to be saved from Kuzan & Kizaru who completely outclassed him in their short scuffles. Akainu would've killed WB's crew including Marco if Shanks never showed up, as even Marco couldn't hurt Akainu(Akainu however burned his cheek and got passed him twice chasing Luffy).

Just a glimpse of Fuji's power made Doffy sweat & lose his sh!t. When Doffy got confirmation that Fuji wouldn't attack him, he abused his position. Doflamingo never confronted Fuji and instead, tired thinking of a plan to get rid of him, taking advantage of Fuji's current passiveness. Kaidou was the strongest and has his crew backing him. Of course Doffy would sweat at that thought as he cant stop that.

What separates the admirals & yonko is that the admirals are individual powers while the yonko has a crew, allies & territory. The yonko are far more influential & dangerous. Admirals are pretty much yonkos without the manpower or territories. Since this is the Yonko Saga with the current antagonists being the yonko, of course they'd get more focus & reveals at the moment. We still don't know about Green Bull or the full strength of the other admirals.

You're just being selective. You ignore anything that doesn't support you can all those who says it fanboys. You really come off as insecure by doing that and saying stuff like "too bad you don't like me"...I mean what? I'm just going by what people say to you and how you ignore logic for the sake of your own. You keep being selective in order to get a point across that you hold as fact, even going as far as the claim you know exactly what Oda is trying to do even though you're ignoring his direct statements that proves you wrong......

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Are you trying to say that Akainu wins in a fight where he's by himself against WB + entire crew + all allies ?

Those were clearly two different sentences......

 

[arv993]

Oda himself said that if Akainu was the protagonist, he'd find OP in a year & become PK. That means he'd get past Kaido, Shanks, Big Mom & Blackbeard along with their crews & allies. Oda's direct statement makes Akainu yonko tier and would be a yonko himself if he was a pirate. Guess what> The other admirals are in the same ballpark. Hell, even BB after getting the gura fruit ran away from Akainu. In Marineford, the admiral never used awakening or else they would've killed their subordinates & destroyed Marineford. They also had to protect the platform & the city, even going as far as to abandon their fights to protect them fro WB's quake punches. WB had to be saved from Kuzan & Kizaru who completely outclassed him in their short scuffles. Akainu would've killed WB's crew including Marco if Shanks never showed up, as even Marco couldn't hurt Akainu(Akainu however burned his cheek and got passed him twice chasing Luffy).

Just a glimpse of Fuji's power made Doffy sweat & lose his sh!t. When Doffy got confirmation that Fuji wouldn't attack him, he abused his position. Doflamingo never confronted Fuji and instead, tired thinking of a plan to get rid of him, taking advantage of Fuji's current passiveness. Kaidou was the strongest and has his crew backing him. Of course Doffy would sweat at that thought as he cant stop that.

What separates the admirals & yonko is that the admirals are individual powers while the yonko has a crew, allies & territory. The yonko are far more influential & dangerous. Admirals are pretty much yonkos without the manpower or territories. Since this is the Yonko Saga with the current antagonists being the yonko, of course they'd get more focus & reveals at the moment. We still don't know about Green Bull or the full strength of the other admirals.

You're just being selective. You ignore anything that doesn't support you can all those who says it fanboys. You really come off as insecure by doing that and saying stuff like "too bad you don't like me"...I mean what? I'm just going by what people say to you and how you ignore logic for the sake of your own. You keep being selective in order to get a point across that you hold as fact, even going as far as the claim you know exactly what Oda is trying to do even though you're ignoring his direct statements that proves you wrong......



Those were clearly two different sentences......

oh we are going on that oda statement, no shit if akainu, aokiji or any top tier was a main character theyd grow at a fast rate and gain allies by being themselves and become PK. He also said mothers(not big mom lol) are the strongest person in the world even more than kaido, he uses kaido as the reference point. And who did oda say to bet on 1v1 yea thats right kaido, thats in the manga. WB couldve quaked the whole island but had to be careful of his allies, he was heavily injured, and was taking a lot of damage other than just admirals it wasnt any form of 1v1 so to speak, only shanks had a true scuffle with a uninjured old WB. You continently leave that part out

BB ran away from CP0 also but was willing to face revos, the dude is an opportunist. Is CP0 especially rob lucci > BB. dont be ridiculous with this. That is such garbage hype if thats what you are relying on.

All doffy did was praise fuji not sweat bullets, he thought he can eliminate him he wasnt making a special plan, and the mere mention of kaido made him shit his pants, he even admitted that he was inferior in that pervious scan i showed you and called him an opponent he can never beat similar to how Doffy was to Law.

Admirals have the backing of the entire freaking navy what are you talking about. Was oda hyping BM or her subordinates last chapter. dont come at me with this, there are countless scans I can show u.

MF was an arc that displayed admirals, this arc is for BM, who told you admirals are getting individual arcs. That is stupid to assume, can they get more hype, yes, fuji got some just an arc or two ago and it pales in comparison to BM. He even got feats. and fuji even needed help to stop bird cage, doffy wasnt far off in power level compared to fuji. But the way oda shows the gap between kaido and doffy it makes doffy seem like a pawn. and I dont think all admirals are equal, Fuji seems like he is below akainu I dont rate him as high, no way not from what i have seen so far.

Anyways I know youre reaching when you are relying on that akainu can become PK nonsense. Come at me with an actual argument or use scans to back up your justification of akainu hype relative to kaido.


Dude I dont care what you think, why do you keep talking about how you think I am insecure, lol sorry I am not paying you to be my psychiatrist. All i said were you had warped fanboy view which is only relevant to OP and the logic you use on it, instead you come at me with ppl dont care what you say, you are insecure. I am sorry I dont care about your bs psychoanalysis, I was only talking about OP and you bring in some other nonsense.