[Discussion] Kaido and Shanks are confirmed beasts!
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So far it could still be
Kaido Shanks Blackbeard > Big Mom
This chapter hasn't changed that possibility..
And yeah I agree with you that the Yonko do seem to get a little more hype than the Admirals.. but that doesn't necessarily take anything away from the Admirals.. maybe Oda feels like the fans have a good understanding of the Admirals power, but not of the Yonko yet.. so he's making sure that it's clear, and trying to get everyone on the same page.
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I wont lie how did any Admiral ever get a hype like this? Can you picture Kizaru defeating Big Mom?
Kaido yes, bb maybe but eventually yea he will be over BM. Shanks probably is better but she seems to be pretty much equal to them and got deserving hype. Ppl made her seem like a bum like she's barely worth her title that's what I'm trying to point out.
No Oda is telling u who the clear big dogs are, yea admirals are pretty much on a similar level but the ultimate powerhouses are yonko. There's already been two strongest of the world ppl from the yonko what more does Oda need to hype. But the dude gives multiple chapters of just hype and aura of invincibility around some of these yonkos so when ppl say the hype is the same its just plain stupid and fanboying. I'm not saying admirals are chump change obviously the power scale needs a balance all I'm saying is one group has the edge in pure power and that's the yonkos.
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Mfw Akainu and Shanks have pretty much the same hype.
Mfw Oda hyped the Admirals by saying they've defeated Kaido in the past.
Mfw Oda hyped the Admirals by having all three contend with the WSS and not being defeated.
Every time the Admirals are in the story, they get great hype. They just haven't been in the story as much as the Emperors, so their hype just seems "smaller."
Someone's triggered.
Shanks didn't even have an arc yet and his hype is at worst the same as akainu which it isn't but this is ur smallest reach. And akainu is the strongest marine while Kaido is above him. Shanks should be above every other marine even if it's only marginal.
Oh so now losing to the collective group of marines is a hype for individual marines, any admiral should be able to win a 2v1 against a yonko. What kind of bs logic is this. And we don't know what his skill level was each time he lost. So way to reach
I assume u mean WSM? So what they should have beat him easily but relied on every little hit he could take and took every cheap shot and this was a guy who was a shell of himself.
Lol what the story is more than half way done, admirals have been in the story plenty and they have more fighting feats than the yonko. They aren't hyped as much period, fujitora just won't get dedicated chapters like BM does.
Stop with these weak responses where you're making false equivalences and I kno ur a fanboy but come on there's a limit.
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Admirals are also hyped by Oda.
-PH arc Aokiji's/Akainu fight is the best example of how brutal their fight can go. Let's not forget what happened to the island and Aokiji lost his leg.
-then their is also the strongest creature getting captured 18times by Marines/Yonkos
-Summoning Mihawk and other Shichibukai to fight for them.
-Buster call etc.
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One character always has the get underestimated to give hype to another character.....Kaido is the only #1 and even that is by extreme diff standards to yonko & admirals. BM gets underestimated because she's a woman and is the first yonko Luffy encountered. People even claimed that she didn't have CoC & completely relied on her crew.
Shanks stopping the war? Yeah lets ignore the fact that the marines achieved their goal, everyone was shocked hat another yonko showed up and that it was Sengoku's call to avoid a pointless fight.
Shanks stopping the war? Yeah lets ignore the fact that the marines achieved their goal, everyone was shocked hat another yonko showed up and that it was Sengoku's call to avoid a pointless fight.
At cue like I said more idiots will come and say admirals= yonko
How is beating a Kaido a collectively as a group hype, and we don't even know what level he's at that point. Btw u do remember Moriah once rivaled Kaido right? This is some dumb fanboy shit I expect from riker but more ppl spew this nonsense
Summoning schinukai is through WG, it dehypes them, since they need more top class fighters who are pirates to even out the yonkos.
PH was a fight between admirals, but nonetheless very impressive still not as hyped as yonkos, though.
If ur point is simply they are in a similar range I agree with you but if u say they are equal then we disagree and for good reason
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Itachi Minato
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Smartass all you had to do was say where or post the scan. And I was right it hadn't been revealed yet to me as I had not read the latest chapter.
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Where did I wrote Admirals=Yonkos ???
I only gave instances where Admirals were hyped.
What does Moria has to do with Kaido getting captured???
Shichibukai does comes no matter who summons them. They help Admirals in stopping their opponents as shown in MF and 3d2y movie.
PH basically showed what will happen if 2 strongest guys in OPverse clash. It was indeed impressive since it showed Akainu's behavior that he doesn't care who he faces. He just wants to finish what he started(something like this was shown in MF arc also).
Yes they are in same league in terms of power, influence, intelligence as any Yonkos is in OP.
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If we go by what Oda told us the 7 shichibukai= 4 yonko= Marine HQ. Marines main power comes from the admirals from what we have seen as most vice admirals are fodder to yonko. But I don't think the 7 shichibukai= 4 yonko Admirals are definitely on Yonko levels and would be a high diff fight either way
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Not even the full force of the marines crushed the WB pirates and their 43 allied crews despite having extra backup and some Shichibukais turn-coating. Only VA John Giant & Lonz were beaten while the entire WB crew would've been slaughtered.
Moriah, the dude preskip Luffy could fight and got crushed by Jinbe, matched Kaido in the past. Doesn't help your case. Akainu easily stalemated WB and old man was outmatched with each new admiral he faced.
Good job calling those who has a logical opinion idiots because you don't like it.
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Marines wouldn't go 1 on 1, maybe it was all Admirals vs him
That just proves they wouldn't go 1 on 1 like i said above, and u say summoning Mihawk etc to fight for them, but thats because pirates arent smart, they don't team up like Admirals, Admirals + whole marine is 1 crew and pirates are all against eachothers crews, therefore they don't win with their individual crews and have to form an alliance with the marines and obey
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Yes they can.
Akainu came alone when BB demanded a ship in exchange of JB.
Popular miss conception that Admirals don't fight 1 on 1.
Aokiji vs Akainu
Garp vs Chinjao,
Kizaru vs Arlong,
Aokiji vs SHs etc are all instances where Admirals basically stopped their opponents single handedly.
Marines/Admirals are smart that's why they summons Shichibukai and let them do their dirty work like killing/stopping new pirates.
It has nothing to do with Pirates being smart or not.
Big Mom's durability hype caught me off-guard because i thought it would be a Kaido main trait. Add that with her apparent powerful conqueror and soul hax devil fruit(with Promotheus and Zeus) and it's really starting to build up some quite impressive stuff
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And what were you when you called everyone that has a different opinion than you "idiots?" You ain't on any high horse, kid.
There isn't a single bit of hype that Shanks has that can't be matched by Akainu hype. Go ahead, provide one example and let's see how far we can go before there's hype for Shanks that can't be matched by Akainu.
Cheap shots? All three Admirals went up against Whitebeard without cheap shots. The only cheap shots were Squard's stab, which was Sengoku's plan and didn't even phase Whitebeard, and the cheap shot WHITEBEARD took on Akainu. You've got it backwards.
They really haven't though. The Admirals have never been the focus of an arc that would allow Oda to naturally delve into hype. In Marineford, he said that he's specifically and willingly left out expositional details aside from Whitebeard and Ace and their crew because he wanted to keep the rapid pace of the war going and to not confuse the readers. And that's the arc with the most focus on Admirals thus far. So far, Admirals have been in about three arcs: Long Ring Island, Marineford, and Sabaody. And none of these arcs would allow for natural exposition for a lot of hype for Admirals.
The chapter "Suicide" was dedicated 90% to giving Kaido hype to set up Wano. Whole Cake is dedicated to Big Mom's story with the Strawhats, so of course she'll get a lot of hype. There simply hasn't been arc where Oda would have the opportunity to hype the Admirals like he has the Yonko.
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The WG would have no way of knowing that Kaido is currently the strongest if any admiral/yonko can push him to extreme diff.
Vandenre1ch
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And they had no way of knowing that WB was sick.
There is a flaw in that logic you're using. Its comes off as being selective. WB was had that title yet was still extreme diff material.