[Theory] Kaguya

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My theory involves there being several 'sacred trees' like the shinju among the universe, in which Kaguya has gone in search of for more power. I think its possible either Kaguya herself could be an incarnation of one of these 'sacred trees,' or she was the first to come across its power. I know it sounds far-fetched, so here is my explanation:



1. Kaguya knew before she came to the narutoverse, that there was a 'shinju tree' here.
Hagoromo: "she had come to pluck the fruit of the sacred tree"
2. Kaguya has a Byakugan
*Since the Juubi has the 9-tomoe rinnegan, we know that Kaguya received this power (her 3rd eye) from ingesting the fruit of the shinju [i.e there is no byakugan on the Juubi!]
*Humans, before receiving chakra, were normal/ordinary (like we are), so it makes little sense that Kaguya's own power is the Byakugan. She must have obtained this power somehow.
*I think its likely she received the byakugan through consuming the fruit of another 'sacred tree,' which resided in her far-away homeland
*I think the two oval-shapes over Kaguya's eyes are also another 'power' - I will explain in #3 below
3. Both Obito/Madara received horns after becoming the Juubi jinchuriki
*This indicates that receiving this power brings out this feature in a person
*The stages of the horns we've seen = [1 medium-size, 1 small --> Obito/Madara] .....[2 medium sized --> Hagoromo] .... [2 large sized --> Kaguya]
*Considering that Indra has the same oval-shapes as Kaguya above his eyebrows, I believe that this is another power that Kaguya wields
*So it follows that:
--->Kaguya has 3 powers [2 large horns]
--->Hagoromo has 2 powers (Juubi + Oval-shapes) [2 medium horns]
--->Obi/Mad have 1 power [1 medium + 1 small horn]
4. Hagoromo and his sibling were able to defeat the Juubi together
*We know that Hagoromo and his sibling were stronger than the Juubi.
*This would make sense if Hagoromo and his sibling had the power of 2 or 3 'sacred trees' together
*One 'sacred tree' [the Juubi] would not be able to defeat this kind of power alone
*Hagoromo = Juubi power + part of oval-shaped power
*Hagoromo's Sibling = Byakugan-tree power + part of oval-shaped power
*To verify my theory, look at the oval shapes above indra's eyebrows
5. Current theme in Naruto = Power corrupts/drives people mad
*Hagoromo: "If power accumulates into one person... that power, before long drives that person mad."
*If Kaguya had come across the power of the byakugan by ingesting the fruit of a 'sacred tree' in her homeland, then she would be driven with a lust for more power (like Madara) and go in search of more 'sacred trees' (like the one in the narutoverse)... I refer you point #1 that I made above
*There is no mention of Kaguya in the narutoverse anymore (gone in search of more power?)
6. Repetitive theme in Naruto = Power divided & cooperating is better than an individual with all the power
*This is why Hagoromo split the power of the Juubi into 9, and said "I believed that bonds of "cooperation" were where true power lay."
*Theory: The universe [not just narutoverse] is being controlled by the combined/cooperating power of all the 'sacred trees' that are in my theory
*Because this power is divided among the many trees, it is stable
*Kaguya is trying to gain the power of all the 'sacred trees' into one vessel [her own body] in order to control the strongest power there is, and control the universe - this is why the 'sacred tree(s)' fight back against her - to preserve the stability (namely the Juubi)
*Remembering the explanation given by Hashirama (I think), about how Chakra was originally intended to connect everyone, it would also make sense that the shinju's chakra is connected to something (namely other trees that wield similar vessels for connection (ie chakra).... like a vast series of connections to something of a higher power)
*Think of this as similar to collecting the powers of the 9 bijuu to gain the power of the juubi




THE FOLLOWING IS NOT NECESSARY TO READ:

A. Kaguya possibly being the incarnation of another sacred tree
*The name Kaguya means 'Big Bamboo Tree' - there must be a link here:
"The Tale of the Bamboo Cutter (竹取物語 Taketori Monogatari?), also known as Princess Kaguya (かぐや姫 Kaguya Hime?, 赫映姫 or 輝夜姫), is a 10th-century Japanese folktale. It is considered the oldest extant Japanese narrative[1][2] and an early example of proto-science fiction.[3]

It primarily details the life of a mysterious girl called Kaguya-hime, who was discovered as a baby inside the stalk of a glowing bamboo plant. She is said to be from Tsuki-no-Miyako (月の都 "The Capital of the Moon")."


Clearly, Kishimoto is using the Moon Princess, Kaguya, in Naruto.

Since we are talking about Naruto and Moons:



"In the Buddhist Śaśajâtaka (Jataka Tale 316),[3] a monkey, an otter, a jackal, and a rabbit resolved to practice charity on the day of the full Moon (Uposatha), believing a demonstration of great virtue would earn a great reward.

When an old man begged for food, the monkey gathered fruits from the trees and the otter collected fish, while the jackal wrongfully pilfered a lizard and a pot of milk-curd. The rabbit, who knew only how to gather grass, instead offered its own body, throwing itself into a fire the man had built. The rabbit, however, was not burnt. The old man revealed himself to be Śakra and, touched by the rabbit's virtue, drew the likeness of the rabbit on the Moon for all to see. It is said the lunar image is still draped in the smoke that rose when the rabbit cast itself into the fire.

A version of this story can be found in the Japanese anthology Konjaku Monogatarishū, where the rabbit's companions are a fox and a monkey."

*The recurring theme of sibling hatred found in this story [i.e Itachi/Sasuke; Ashura/Indra], could also be extended amongst the 'family of sacred trees' - one 'incarnation of a tree' in search of the power of its siblings

B. I think the powers received by Kaguya after ingesting the fruit of a 'sacred tree' is powerful beyond belief!
Just as the sharingan was diluted over time, I also think chakra could be the same. This would indicate that the chakra Kaguya received from ingesting the fruit of the shinju (as well as possibly other sacred trees) was so powerful that it drove her even more corrupt/mad for power than we see in Madara
 
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That's an interesting idea but I don't think that any other sacred trees will play a role in the remainder of Naruto. Although it could be used as a means to possibly create a new story line after Shippuden ends.

In #6 It was Madara not Hashirama who talked about Sage's use of chakra to connect people.
 

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The Holly Tree has always existed independent of Kaguya it is a force of Nature it existed before Man came to be. The Tree Thinks and communicates,it wants its power back and helps Madara to gain back what Kaguya stole from it. Re-Read Chapter 673 the Tree itself speaks to Madara not Kaguya.
 

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I like how clean is your thread , nice.
It's easy to make an answer.

1/That's very probable and A/ seems to go with 1/ , if the tree is a god , there must have other god-trees.
Madara said to Hashirama :"A god looking for stability divide into Yin and Yang..."
A god=one god among other gods.


3/I think horns comes from the fact that Kaguya is in Juubi , when you become Juubi jin you grow horns , cause Kaguya's genes are very strong.
When Juubi "ate" Kaguya (or when Kaguya possessed Juubi) he became humanoid and had the 9 tomoes sharingan that Kaguya was the 1st character to be shown with.
I think Kaguya's genes made Juubi transform.


The Holly Tree has always existed independent of Kaguya it is a force of Nature it existed before Man came to be. The Tree Thinks and communicates,it wants its power back and helps Madara to gain back what Kaguya stole from it. Re-Read Chapter 673 the Tree itself speaks to Madara not Kaguya.
You like when it's simple :"the tree have always existed"...But it is incorrect for now , you can't say that , it's possible but other possibilities are better.

The tree have 3 eyes?Byakugans?It's Kaguya talking.
 
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That's an interesting idea but I don't think that any other sacred trees will play a role in the remainder of Naruto. Although it could be used as a means to possibly create a new story line after Shippuden ends.

In #6 It was Madara not Hashirama who talked about Sage's use of chakra to connect people.
O h my bad, I got this mixed up with madara and Hashirama.

very creative and overall nice theory but i dont think any more tress will be introduced in the manga


Plausible, impressive theory.
Thanks, I apperciated =)

The Holly Tree has always existed independent of Kaguya it is a force of Nature it existed before Man came to be. The Tree Thinks and communicates,it wants its power back and helps Madara to gain back what Kaguya stole from it. Re-Read Chapter 673 the Tree itself speaks to Madara not Kaguya.
No it was Kaguya who spoke to Madara, we even see a pitch black imagination of Kaguya which this further prove it.

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I liked it. :)
Thanks =)

I like how clean is your thread , nice.
It's easy to make an answer.

1/That's very probable and A/ seems to go with 1/ , if the tree is a god , there must have other god-trees.
Madara said to Hashirama :"A god looking for stability divide into Yin and Yang..."
A god=one god among other gods.


3/I think horns comes from the fact that Kaguya is in Juubi , when you become Juubi jin you grow horns , cause Kaguya's genes are very strong.
When Juubi "ate" Kaguya (or when Kaguya possessed Juubi) he became humanoid and had the 9 tomoes sharingan that Kaguya was the 1st character to be shown with.
I think Kaguya's genes made Juubi transform.




You like when it's simple :"the tree have always existed"...But it is incorrect for now , you can't say that , it's possible but other possibilities are better.

The tree have 3 eyes?Byakugans?It's Kaguya talking.
Yes, I think Kaguya is within the Juubi itself.
 

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I like how clean is your thread , nice.
It's easy to make an answer.

1/That's very probable and A/ seems to go with 1/ , if the tree is a god , there must have other god-trees.
Madara said to Hashirama :"A god looking for stability divide into Yin and Yang..."
A god=one god among other gods.


3/I think horns comes from the fact that Kaguya is in Juubi , when you become Juubi jin you grow horns , cause Kaguya's genes are very strong.
When Juubi "ate" Kaguya (or when Kaguya possessed Juubi) he became humanoid and had the 9 tomoes sharingan that Kaguya was the 1st character to be shown with.
I think Kaguya's genes made Juubi transform.




You like when it's simple :"the tree have always existed"...But it is incorrect for now , you can't say that , it's possible but other possibilities are better.

The tree have 3 eyes?Byakugans?It's Kaguya talking.
The tree uses Natural Energy it has already ben explain it also controls the Juubi,When kaguya stole and ate the fruit and gain its powers. The Tree sent out the Juubi to get it power back, Kaguya sons having grown up fought the Juubi to stop it from getting that power back. You forget we are taking About Shinto and Buddhism were not only animals have souls but plants too and were demons and gods live and fight each other just like men do.Kishi uses Oriental Mythology in His stories.
 

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Very creative theory but I think that it would become overcomplicated had other universes start to have a role in the whole story.
 

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The tree uses Natural Energy it has already ben explain it also controls the Juubi,When kaguya stole and ate the fruit and gain its powers. The Tree sent out the Juubi to get it power back, Kaguya sons having grown up fought the Juubi to stop it from getting that power back. You forget we are taking About Shinto and Buddhism were not only animals have souls but plants too and were demons and gods live and fight each other just like men do.Kishi uses Oriental Mythology in His stories.
What made you think you had to explain me the story?
Don't take everybody as someone less smart than you.

90% of your post is useless.
You say:"the tree can have a soul" in 100 words , nice.

I agree , but we saw that the soul talking has 3 eyes : 2 byakugans and the rinnengan.
The tree was never shown with byakugans or 3 eyes.
Isn't that obvious?
 

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What made you think you had to explain me the story?
Don't take everybody as someone less smart than you.

90% of your post is useless.
You say:"the tree can have a soul" in 100 words , nice.

I agree , but we saw that the soul talking has 3 eyes : 2 byakugans and the rinnengan.
The tree was never shown with byakugans or 3 eyes.
Isn't that obvious?
You saw 3 symbols not eyes,not actual eyes the Tree has this on it or are you saying Kaguya was born with 3 eyes Do know how dumb you sound, Kaguya stood against the Tree not for it. The Tree is alive it thinks it Plans just as Madara used Obito now the Tree uses Madara the ultimate joke.
 

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You saw 3 symbols not eyes,not actual eyes the Tree has this on it or are you saying Kaguya was born with 3 eyes
Neither , auto-quote :" 2 byakugans and the rinnengan.
The tree was never shown with byakugans or 3 eyes."

Where do you understand that Kaguya is born with 3 eyes here?
 
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