[Theory] Kaguya has been involved from the start

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So let me break down my view on how I think it all really went down.

  • It is unknown how Kaguya died. But I think that when she died part of her or her will was sealed in the Gedo Mazo and also in the moon as the "guardian of the juubi".
  • When Madara summoned Gedo Mazo she was "awakened".
  • When Zetsu was born Kaguya's will manifested in "him".
  • He (Zetsu) then begun manipulating Madara to start planning the Moon Eye Plan, while Madara thought Zetsu was just a mindless puppet, part of his will.
  • Kaguya's goal was to manipulate Madara into giving her, her full power, by activating the infinite tsukyomi.

Why I think this? Three reasons:
1. In the last weeks chapter it was hinted that the moon or/and infinite tsukyomi is in someway connected to Kaguya:
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Again in this weeks chapter as the infinite tsukyomi is active Zetsu reveals his true intentions as the "will of Kaguya". The timing of this great plot twist leads us to the conclusion that the infinite tsukyomi has something to do with Kaguya's true intentions or that it grants her more power.

2. When you think about it, hasn't the moon eye plan always seemed a bit out of character for a guy like Madara? A ninja who wanted to surpass everyone and show them his power, while they are AWAKE. And suddenly we are told he want's to achieve peace through dream...As far was we know back in the day Kaguya was the one that used the Infinite Tsukuyomi to force mankind to stop fighting for unknown reasons, released the technique and gave free will back to the world. So it sounds more something that Kaguya would want to do.


3. Also I found one similarity between Zetsu and Gedo Mazo that I think it's worth speculating. In the bottom panel of this page:
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shows that as Madara is being taken over by Zetsu, he is making the same "GWOOOAAH" noice as has been seen Gedo Mazo shouting many thimes before. So if Gedo Mazo was part of Kaguya..and Zetsu is part of Kaguya.. and both of them are making the same noice, then isn't it obvious?
I realize it's a bit far fetched but that exact noice is something we've only seen Gedo Mazo making.
 
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I believe Mugen Tsukuyomi is a lie. All about the Tree which is sucking all shinobi's Chakra or maybe even life force. It's kinda revive jutsu for Kaguyo i believe. She needs all her chakra back like old days or needed for revive her. And i agree with zetsu part. Maybe Zetsu is the one who is manipulating Madara from start and seems to be his toy&puppet. All plan was telling something about Mugen Tsukuyomi fake world peace, but revive Kaguya or bring her power back... Last i know Madara was wanted peace too but in his twisted and corrupted ways.
 

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Also I found one similarity between Zetsu and Gedo Mazo that I think it's worth speculating. In the bottom panel of this page:
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shows that as Madara is being taken over by Zetsu, he is making the same "GWOOOAAH" noice as has been seen Gedo Mazo shouting many thimes before. So if Gedo Mazo was part of Kaguya..and Zetsu is part of Kaguya.. and both of them are making the same noice, then isn't it obvious? [/I]
Dude that's obviously Madara screaming in pain and agony.

About the other stuff, probably, next chapter will tell us I suppose.
 

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Dude that's obviously Madara screaming in pain and agony.

About the other stuff, probably, next chapter will tell us I suppose.
Well yeah one would think that he is screaming in pain and agony, but we have also seem the statue screaming in the same manner so who knows.
 
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Man, I said months ago that the Zetsus were the real ones in charge. When the Zetzus first told Obito that they would help him, he asked "What about Madara" and White (no-swirly) Zetsu replied "He's ... a good boy." Still Rikudou should've forseen this and has thereby lost major Nin points. I don't think the noise is signifigant because that's jut how Kishi imagines someone acting those situations. Funny, too, how Dad unwittingly sends the boys to go fight grandma. Tsk.
 
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