Still trying to argue that an alive person can outlast a dead person. You're incredibly hopeless, I must admit.
You can sig it if you want.
Agoodboy: "Edo itachi can outlast kabuto"
EJBlack: "lol@ Itachi outlasting kabuto"
EJBlack: "Itachi won't last an hour" <--- Because apparently a dead guy will die a second time in an outlast match.
You need to stop fanboying, honestly.
Edo itachi camps V4 yata for the next 50 years. Rusty now? Kabuto outlasts right?
Assuming a fight even last that long because he is dead already. Your hopeless.
You need to stop making up fantasy just so your poor wanked Itachi clearly loses a match against kabuto. Go ahead use that shitty argument against other tier characters like naruto sasuke madara hashirama etc.
Camp inside Susanoo because he has no draw backs but then neglect the chakra limit an Edo can use at a time(even sasuke ask if he can still maintain a susanoo lmao)
While Kabuto easily tears up v4 with many methods to bypass it or crush its lack of feat.
A simple Earth Dome is one if them lol. Sitting inside while getting his limited output of chakra absorb and ends the match with Muki Tensei.
Kabuto counters Amaterasu with Oral Rebirth. Minato counters it by sensing (SM gives Minato sensing abilities, so he knows when Amaterasu is coming. From there, it's a simple matter to dodge it with FTG. I wouldn't of made this match-up if Itachi could just one-shot his enemies with Amaterasu Lol
As in:
Amaterasu -> Oral rebirth -> Amaterasu.
Itachi's sharingan precog and chakra viewing capabilities ensures that kabuto's always within sight when he oral rebirths. He oral rebirths into an amaterasu. As long as he's on fire, he must oral rebirth or he dies. Even if minato FTG's him, he still needs to oral rebirth. Itachi
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seeing as he's already dead with infinitely replenishing stamina. If he blinds his eye, it will repair as it's not sealed by izanami/izanagi.
So, Itachi camps V4 yata with amaterasu sustained on an oral rebirthing kabuto. When's kabuto's getting a chance to do any of your strategies exactly? If he's ftg'd itachi looks right back at him and he's on fire again.
Assuming a fight even last that long because he is dead already. Your hopeless.
You need to stop making up fantasy just so your poor wanked Itachi clearly loses a match against kabuto. Go ahead use that shitty argument against other tier characters like naruto sasuke madara hashirama etc.
Camp inside Susanoo because he has no draw backs but then neglect the chakra limit an Edo can use at a time(even sasuke ask if he can still maintain a susanoo lmao)
While Kabuto easily tears up v4 with many methods to bypass it or crush its lack of feat.
A simple Earth Dome is one if them lol. Sitting inside while getting his limited output of chakra absorb and ends the match with Muki Tensei.
because in your fanboy opinion it won't last that long.
I say he outlasts kabuto. You laugh. Your argument is an assumption. Nice, you must be a special breed of child.
The fight starts. Itachi uses amaterasu on kabuto and keeps using it. Now what? Kabuto's gonna do all that while he dies to ama, right? Muki tensei automatically wouldn't even work during this. Lol
So, in all those days, Itachi, who canonically outwitted kabuto, won't find a way to continue outlasting him or kill him? When it's already manga canon itachi found a way to defeat him without killing him? They way you're thinking is as if kabuto's the only intelligent person here or they only one who'd be trying to formulate strategies to win.
The simple fact of camping V4 yata while continously releasing amaterasu, on kabuto, ensures kabuto does nothing but oral rebirth.
Oh lord...
First off, Kabuto = Itachi in intelligence. Both are battle-smart and can formulate strategies to win. Minato and Nagato aren't stupid either. I never even mentioned intelligence until now, not sure why you brought it up. It's manga canon that Itachi outwitted and defeated Kabuto with a forbidden jutsu that is restricted in this match-up. Honestly, I'm not taking a side here, I was just pointing out that outlasting isn't a factor in this match up.
And "camping V4 yata while continuously releasing amaterasu" isn't going to win it for Team 2. If Itachi decides to spam amaterasu, Minato can teleport Kabuto to a place outside of Itachi's eyesight and Kabuto can safely perform an oral rebirth, then use Hakugeki, flute genjutsu, or Muki Tensei on team 2.
Oh lord... First off, Kabuto = Itachi in intelligence. Both are battle-smart and can formulate strategies to win. Minato and Nagato aren't stupid either. I never even mentioned intelligence until now, not sure why you brought it up. It's manga canon that Itachi outwitted and defeated Kabuto with a forbidden jutsu that is restricted in this match-up. Honestly, I'm not taking a side here, I was just pointing out that outlasting isn't a factor in this match up.
And "camping V4 yata while continuously releasing amaterasu" isn't going to win it for Team 2. If Itachi decides to spam amaterasu, Minato can teleport Kabuto to a place outside of Itachi's eyesight and Kabuto can safely perform an oral rebirth, then use Hakugeki, flute genjutsu, or Muki Tensei on team 2.
Ima stop you right at bold. You said it, not me. They are equal in intelligence, yet somehow, you state kabuto can formulate a strategy to defeat itachi but itachi, who canonically defeated him, won't? Why make no mention that itachi will also formulate a strategy? The intelligence argument was simply to show this. They're both equal, yet you state only kabuto can formulate a winning strategy.
PS: I wasn't even talking about izanami. I was talking about when he protected sasuke.
Nagato's a sensor. If minato teleports, nagato shouts "To your left!" itachi turns,
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, and kabuto's on fire again. Kabuto will never be able to use white rage, or summon sakon->kimi->tayuya then use genjutsu, or use muki tensei (Which won't work because amaterasu is heating up the entire place) before itachi turns his head.
Ima stop you right at bold. You said it, not me. They are equal in intelligence, yet somehow, you state kabuto can formulate a strategy to defeat itachi but itachi, who canonically defeated him, won't? Why make no mention that itachi will also formulate a strategy? The intelligence argument was simply to show this. They're both equal, yet you state only kabuto can formulate a winning strategy.
PS: I wasn't even talking about izanami. I was talking about when he protected sasuke.
Nagato's a sensor. If minato teleports, nagato shouts "To your left!" itachi turns,
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, and kabuto's on fire again. Kabuto will never be able to use white rage, or summon sakon->kimi->tayuya then use genjutsu, or use muki tensei (Which won't work because amaterasu is heating up the entire place) before itachi turns his head.
When did I even mention strategies? I'm just providing counters for techniques in Itachi's arsenal. I never said Itachi couldn't come up with his own strategy. And you need to stop using the "itachi canonically defeated kabuto" argument, because that fight is entirely different in that izanami wasn't restricted, the intent wasn't to kill, Itachi had Sasuke instead of Nagato on his team, and Kabuto didn't get his own teammate.
As for the bold, that is ridiculous and sig-worthy. Kabuto and Minato could teleport to behind a rock, a pillar, ANYTHING, as long as it's not within Itachi's line of sight. From there, Kabuto can make Jirobo use his Earth Dome, and they have 360 degrees of protection from Amaterasu. Now Kabuto is safe and can perform white rage, muki tensei, tayuya's genjutsu, etc. If Nagato or Itachi go up to the dome to destroy it, Minato can just teleport them out. If Itachi decides to flood the battlefield with black flames, Kabuto does this:
When did I even mention strategies? I'm just providing counters for techniques in Itachi's arsenal. I never said Itachi couldn't come up with his own strategy. And you need to stop using the "itachi canonically defeated kabuto" argument, because that fight is entirely different in that izanami wasn't restricted, the intent wasn't to kill, Itachi had Sasuke instead of Nagato on his team, and Kabuto didn't get his own teammate.
As for the bold, that is ridiculous and sig-worthy. Kabuto and Minato could teleport to behind a rock, a pillar, ANYTHING, as long as it's not within Itachi's line of sight. From there, Kabuto can make Jirobo use his Earth Dome, and they have 360 degrees of protection from Amaterasu. Now Kabuto is safe and can perform white rage, muki tensei, tayuya's genjutsu, etc. If Nagato or Itachi go up to the dome to destroy it, Minato can just teleport them out. If Itachi decides to flood the battlefield with black flames, Kabuto does this:
You completely missed my point. Kabuto would last days here, giving him hundreds of chances to seal Itachi. My argument was never that Kabuto would outlast him, what I'm saying is that if Itachi tries to drag out the battle, Kabuto will still be performing fine after quite a while and there will be plenty of opportunities to defeat Itachi. Itachi will not outlast him because he will be sealed before Kabuto's stamina begins to run low, which will take quite a while. Keep in mind, Minato and Nagato are involved too so it probably won't be simple for either Kabuto or Itachi.
refer to that. Clearly disregards itachi forming any plans or strategies. You even end it saying kabuto would definitively seal itachi away as if this were manga canon(You also gave kabuto's some strrategies which i commented out).
Then sig it? Don't tell me, just do it if you want.
Alright, they teleport behind a rock... Nagato then uses banshou tenin(nagato's a sensor so don't even try to argue he can't find them), to pull them right out. Itachi lights up kabuto again before he ever got the chance to put his hand down to use earth dome. Or, Itachi, using his sharingan which can see chakra through rock, fires a bunch of magatama. This has the added effect of removing cover and leaving no time for kabuto summon sakon->Jirobo who then puts his hands down and uses a dome. If minato teleports, Nagato now helps itachi by blowing away cover with asura. There's a cavein which nagato and itachi survive inside susano'o while kabuto and minato lose by either BFR or being crushed. You do realize that dome defense is very very long to execute don't you?
I can keep coming up with strategies that solely rely on amaterasu and nothing more, because that's all that's needed for an outlast.
For all I care, I can have itachi light up the entire cave with ama except where he and nagato are standing inside his susano'o. Your scan won't work now because kabuto would be standing on amaterasu for him to try something like that.. Oh, and this strategy is already somewhat possible by
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, what do you think happens with a dead guy in this very confined space?
Teleport minato and them out of the cave, they lose by BFR... seeing as they can't come back in.
For the last time...I wasn't trying to argue for team 1. What i'm saying is that this fight isn't about one team outlasting the other. Itachi spamming amaterasu is quite different from outlasting Kabuto and Minato. Either one team or the other will win before nagato/minato/kabuto succumb to hunger, need of sleep, lack of chakra, etc. I did eventually start to argue for team 1 because I got off-track, but what the hell since I already started I might as well keep going.
Alright, they teleport behind a rock... Nagato then uses banshou tenin(nagato's a sensor so don't even try to argue he can't find them), to pull them right out. Itachi lights up kabuto again before he ever got the chance to put his hand down to use earth dome. Or, Itachi, using his sharingan which can see chakra through rock, fires a bunch of magatama. This has the added effect of removing cover and leaving no time for kabuto summon sakon->Jirobo who then puts his hands down and uses a dome. If minato teleports, Nagato now helps itachi by blowing away cover with asura. There's a cavein which nagato and itachi survive inside susano'o while kabuto and minato lose by either BFR or being crushed. You do realize that dome defense is very very long to execute don't you?
I can keep coming up with strategies that solely rely on amaterasu and nothing more, because that's all that's needed for an outlast.
For all I care, I can have itachi light up the entire cave with ama except where he and nagato are standing inside his susano'o. Your scan won't work now because kabuto would be standing on amaterasu for him to try something like that.. Oh, and this strategy is already somewhat possible by
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, what do you think happens with a dead guy in this very confined space?
Teleport minato and them out of the cave, they lose by BFR... seeing as they can't come back in.
Nagato bansho tenin? Oh my, they simply teleport away behind another rock again. Now Nagato can't use BT for another 5 seconds. This is plenty of time for Kabuto to:
-Unleash Hakugeki (though it will be a few more seconds before it actually unleashes all the light and sound)
-Use Muki Tensei on Team 2
-Make Tayuya come out and perform her flute genjutsu
-Summon the earth dome (why did you say it's long to execute? Jirobo did it to enemies at a distance before Shikamaru, Neji, Naruto, and Kiba could react:
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Pillar is destroyed with Yasaka magatama or asura path? They either teleport away again, use Manda II/frogs as a meat shield, or Minato teleports the magatama/missiles away with his barrier before they hit.
Nagato makes the place cave in? Kabuto could simply tank it with liquidation and healing, and Minato can teleport outside the cave to a safe distance. Summons used as meat shields if necessary.
Itachi lights up the cave with amaterasu? Well, first off he can't do this very quickly since he doesn't have Enton like Sasuke, and amaterasu burns very slowly, so it would take quite a while for the whole cave to be put into flames. Second, unlike enton, amaterasu can only light things that are in Itachi's line of sight and therefore he cannot ignite blind spots behind pillars, rocks, etc (which is where team 1 will be lurking). Kabuto can use Jirobo's earth technique to prevent the cave from being lit on fire. He won't be standing on Amaterasu since he's behind a pillar.
As in:
Amaterasu -> Oral rebirth -> Amaterasu.
Itachi's sharingan precog and chakra viewing capabilities ensures that kabuto's always within sight when he oral rebirths. He oral rebirths into an amaterasu. As long as he's on fire, he must oral rebirth or he dies. Even if minato FTG's him, he still needs to oral rebirth. Itachi
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seeing as he's already dead with infinitely replenishing stamina. If he blinds his eye, it will repair as it's not sealed by izanami/izanagi.
So, Itachi camps V4 yata with amaterasu sustained on an oral rebirthing kabuto. When's kabuto's getting a chance to do any of your strategies exactly? If he's ftg'd itachi looks right back at him and he's on fire again.
because in your fanboy opinion it won't last that long.
I say he outlasts kabuto. You laugh. Your argument is an assumption. Nice, you must be a special breed of child.
The fight starts. Itachi uses amaterasu on kabuto and keeps using it. Now what? Kabuto's gonna do all that while he dies to ama, right? Muki tensei automatically wouldn't even work during this. Lol
(spoiler for unnecessary suspense)I apologize. I apologize that I provoke you, causing a flame war. I am so use to us attacking each other that it really needs to stop at this point. Can we drop all the "grudges (in a sense) and be civilize when we get into an discussion from now. This stuff is what females do (no offensive females=D to those that are nosy reading this). We grown men and should learn how to treat people and also show respect. Get this done out of the way then I will address your reasoning and points rationally.
So what is Kabuto's counter to a good old fashioned Amaterasu to the face. the reason Itachi didn't just lead with amaterasu was that he wanted kabuto ALIVE. That is what Kabuto fans don't seem to get. A weakened Itachi who was holding back beat him. How long would he last if Itachi had been trying to kill him, and been at full power?
"Kabuto fans dont get Itachi wasn't 100, but Kabuto was" :|
To answer your question:
There are many ways of dealing with Amaterasu, the one as you may know already is Oral Rebirth. But you may be asking why it will be effective to the face.
Thats because that isn't the only exit for Oral Rebirth to work for Kabuto.
1. Snake navel: Pretty Obvious, and nothing is stopping him to do this. Since the Snake can act as a "tail" it can easily have the snake be behind Kabuto and blocking the line of sight of Amaterasu's focus. Thus Kabuto exits though its mouth.
2. Make his own exit: Sasuke canonically did this already[
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]. He Chidori through out his belly and hides underground. Kabuto will be more effective because A.) He leave body fluid for better confusion. B.) Can actually use Doton Mole, so doesn't matter what location for it to be effective C.) Chakra scalpel will work the same Chidori did in the case of cutting/separating body parts.
You also have Kidomaru's body fluid that produces Gold substance, blocking all chakra[
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], which can be use to shed off the flames.
Hydrification can slough[
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] it off the same way 10 tails was able to slough off the part that was burn[
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]
Snake summon is effective[
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]. He can use any of his Hidden snakes to coil around him,[
(spoiler for unnecessary suspense)I apologize. I apologize that I provoke you, causing a flame war. I am so use to us attacking each other that it really needs to stop at this point. Can we drop all the "grudges (in a sense) and be civilize when we get into an discussion from now. This stuff is what females do (no offensive females=D to those that are nosy reading this). We grown men and should learn how to treat people and also show respect. Get this done out of the way then I will address your reasoning and points rationally.
"Kabuto fans dont get Itachi wasn't 100, but Kabuto was" :|
To answer your question:
There are many ways of dealing with Amaterasu, the one as you may know already is Oral Rebirth. But you may be asking why it will be effective to the face.
Thats because that isn't the only exit for Oral Rebirth to work for Kabuto.
1. Snake navel: Pretty Obvious, and nothing is stopping him to do this. Since the Snake can act as a "tail" it can easily have the snake be behind Kabuto and blocking the line of sight of Amaterasu's focus. Thus Kabuto exits though its mouth.
2. Make his own exit: Sasuke canonically did this already[
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]. He Chidori through out his belly and hides underground. Kabuto will be more effective because A.) He leave body fluid for better confusion. B.) Can actually use Doton Mole, so doesn't matter what location for it to be effective C.) Chakra scalpel will work the same Chidori did in the case of cutting/separating body parts.
You also have Kidomaru's body fluid that produces Gold substance, blocking all chakra[
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], which can be use to shed off the flames.
Hydrification can slough[
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] it off the same way 10 tails was able to slough off the part that was burn[
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]
Snake summon is effective[
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]. He can use any of his Hidden snakes to coil around him,[
Now that i see this thread, one question arise. I wonder if there are different types of natural energy. I ask it because i don't understand why gathering the same natural energy one is similar to toad when the other is similar to snake and so on. Why is that if they accumulate the same natural energy from the atmosphere? Is the chakra molding different?
Now that i see this thread, one question arise. I wonder if there are different types of natural energy. I ask it because i don't understand why gathering the same natural energy one is similar to toad when the other is similar to snake and so on. Why is that if they accumulate the same natural energy from the atmosphere? Is the chakra molding different?
The best explanation, I think, is that the atmosphere they trained in, adapts to their characteristics. Fukasaku already explains the list of where you can gather this energy[
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]. But Fukasaku also explains that the climate is different when taking in nature from their location[
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]. So in a sense, their senjutsu adapts to where their bodies have trained in senjutsu, and they keep their characteristics to where they trained outside from it.
Team 2 mid to high diff. Itachi can protect Nagato in his Susano'o while he uses Bansho Ten'in on Kabuto so Itachi can introduce him to the Totsuka Blade, then they continue to double team Minato, or vice versa.
