Manga has no conclusive feat that'd put Kakashi above Naruto and Sasuke speed.
Lol. This whole paragraph and you literally didn't address anything. Sakura did the same thing. Guess Sakura=Kakashi>Sasuke in speed now. Concession accepted fapboy. If Kakashi blitzed Kaguya, then Sakura did too.
He didn't react to Kaguya as he made no move of her own, period. He only cut her after phasing through her ash bone attack. Him landing an attack only means that he landed an attack. Why she didn't bother to counter is left up to interpretation. Your interpretation, sadly, is pure garbage and makes zero sense.
That's a battle scenario. The Kakashi nonsense isn't. Then there's the fact that scan only references movement speed. Reaction speed is something another scan perfectly illustrates. Lmao. I hate Kakashi fapboys.
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Sasuke uses Susanoo and Shunshns in front of Naruto before Minato can use Hiraishin.
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I'm still waiting for real proof and not your annoying bitching.
Kakashi has no feat that'd make him as fast as EMS Sasuke. When he can react to Obito, then we can talk. When he displays Shunshin feats on Sasuke's level, then we can talk. When he can actually legit blitz Kaguya, then we can talk. You are crying about accepting feats, but you are ignoring Sakura's feat and giving it to Kakashi because you want to slurp on the guy's picture on your screen. Either you admit Sakura can blitz Kaugya, or you stfu and drop your shitty argument. That simple.
The bold is what made my eyes bleed. First of all i wanna say that Sasuke's speed > Kakashi's. But you are ignoring a lot of manga facts and under rating kakashi's canon feats.
1- Kakashi's feat being the same as Sakura's ? Really? So facing Kaguya and striking her just in front of her eyes from several meters away is the same as jumping from behind her and take advantage of sasuke's and naruto's position (not to mention kaguya was already injured by kakashi's raikiri)? By this logic, kakashi was the one that defeated kakuzu, i mean sure, Naruto was the one that hit him with the FRS but after that kakashi went to Kakuzu's almost dead body and finished him off with raikiri, so Naruto's feat is the same as kakashi's.
2- He landing an atack only means that he landed an atack? WTF!? Naruto ripping off kaguya's arm then only means he ripped off her arm??. KAKASHI LANDED THE ATACK BECAUSE KAGUYA DIDN'T DODGE IT PERIOD. "Why she didn't bother to counter is left up to interpretation"??? What is this? What the holy **** is this? What can you interpretate from that? She didn't bother to counter because she wanted to lose? She didn't bother to counter because she loves pain? lol. She couldn't counter it since atacks would just slip trough kakashi and she obviously couldn't dodge it.
Left to interpretation lol. That was really funny. Almost as funny as you saying that Kakashi's feat against Kaguya is the same for Sakura lol (ofc, when you reply this you are gonna keep saying that its the same but oh well, i think that its your own problem if you really think an upfront speed blitz is the same than a punch to a distracted opponent)
Everything else you posted is legit, sasuke's reaction speed >> Kakashi's and also he moves faster.
The bold is what made my eyes bleed. First of all i wanna say that Sasuke's speed > Kakashi's. But you are ignoring a lot of manga facts and under rating kakashi's canon feats.
1- Kakashi's feat being the same as Sakura's ? Really? So facing Kaguya and striking her just in front of her eyes from several meters away is the same as jumping from behind her and take advantage of sasuke's and naruto's position (not to mention kaguya was already injured by kakashi's raikiri)? By this logic, kakashi was the one that defeated kakuzu, i mean sure, Naruto was the one that hit him with the FRS but after that kakashi went to Kakuzu's almost dead body and finished him off with raikiri, so Naruto's feat is the same as kakashi's.
2- He landing an atack only means that he landed an atack? WTF!? Naruto ripping off kaguya's arm then only means he ripped off her arm??. KAKASHI LANDED THE ATACK BECAUSE KAGUYA DIDN'T DODGE IT PERIOD. "Why she didn't bother to counter is left up to interpretation"??? What is this? What the holy **** is this? What can you interpretate from that? She didn't bother to counter because she wanted to lose? She didn't bother to counter because she loves pain? lol. She couldn't counter it since atacks would just slip trough kakashi and she obviously couldn't dodge it.
Left to interpretation lol. That was really funny. Almost as funny as you saying that Kakashi's feat against Kaguya is the same for Sakura lol (ofc, when you reply this you are gonna keep saying that its the same but oh well, i think that its your own problem if you really think an upfront speed blitz is the same than a punch to a distracted opponent)
Everything else you posted is legit, sasuke's reaction speed >> Kakashi's and also he moves faster.
The bold is what made my eyes bleed. First of all i wanna say that Sasuke's speed > Kakashi's. But you are ignoring a lot of manga facts and under rating kakashi's canon feats
If you are going to fap I suggest we stick to an opinion that is consistent.
1- Kakashi's feat being the same as Sakura's ? Really? So facing Kaguya and striking her just in front of her eyes from several meters away is the same as jumping from behind her and take advantage of sasuke's and naruto's position (not to mention kaguya was already injured by kakashi's raikiri)? By this logic, kakashi was the one that defeated kakuzu, i mean sure, Naruto was the one that hit him with the FRS but after that kakashi went to Kakuzu's almost dead body and finished him off with raikiri, so Naruto's feat is the same as kakashi's.
Kakashi fapboys can try as hard as they want to differentiate the feat, but it's never going to change what actually happened. Sakura and Kakashi attacked. Kaguya noticed both BEFORE she got hit. Kaguya did NOTHING in both occasions. You'd only have a point if Kaguya hadn't noticed Sakura until she actually got hit. Don't try and give you fav the feat when we take it away from Sakura. Kaguya can sense, has god level reaction speed, and felt Sakura above her (and heard her) before she actually got hit, yet she Didn't. Do. Shit.
End of story.
But she didn't. Your Kakuzu example is pure trash as expected as Kakashi and Naruto were in completely different positions with no correlation. If you are going to bring an example, please make sure it makes sense so you don't look a fool. Lmao, retards these days.
2- He landing an atack only means that he landed an atack? WTF!? Naruto ripping off kaguya's arm then only means he ripped off her arm??. KAKASHI LANDED THE ATACK BECAUSE KAGUYA DIDN'T DODGE IT PERIOD. "Why she didn't bother to counter is left up to interpretation"??? What is this? What the holy **** is this? What can you interpretate from that? She didn't bother to counter because she wanted to lose? She didn't bother to counter because she loves pain? lol. She couldn't counter it since atacks would just slip trough kakashi and she obviously couldn't dodge it.
No shit dumbass. That's exactly what I stated. The rest has been replied to dozens of times. Kaguya has canonically reacted and evaded slower people. So I have zero reason to listen to the fapboys and say that "Kakashi blitzed Kaguya", especially since you are saying that Sasuke is still faster, which only makes you look like a wishy washy fanboy instead of just a fanboy.
Left to interpretation lol. That was really funny. Almost as funny as you saying that Kakashi's feat against Kaguya is the same for Sakura lol (ofc, when you reply this you are gonna keep saying that its the same but oh well, i think that its your own problem if you really think an upfront speed blitz is the same than a punch to a distracted opponent)
She noticed her foe both times, yet did nothing at all. Take your hands out of your pants and actually use common sense. It's hilarious how we are even claiming Kakashi speed blitzed Kaguya when you've already admitted that Sasuke is faster. Lmao. Inconsistent fanboy is inconsistent. Or maybe you don't want to sound dumb by saying that Kakashi is faster....
If you are going to fap I suggest we stick to an opinion that is consistent.
Kakashi fapboys can try as hard as they want to differientiate the feat, but it's never going to change what actually happened. Sakura and Kakashi attacked. Kaguya noticed both BEFORE she got hit. Kaguya did NOTHING in both occasions. You'd only have a point if Kaguya hadn't noticed Sakura until she actually got hit. Don't try and give you fav the feat when we take it away from Sakura. Kaguya can sense, has god level reaction speed, and felt Sakura above her (and heard her) before she actually got hit, yet she Didn't. Do. Shit.
End of story.
But she didn't. Your Kakuzu example is pure trash as expected as Kakashi and Naruto were in completely different positions with no correlation. If you are going to bring an example, please make sure it makes sense so you don't look a fool.
No shit dumbass. That's exactly what I stated. The rest has been replied to dozens of times. Kaguya has canonically reacted and evaded slower people. So I have zero reason to listen to the fapboys and say that "Kakashi blitzed Kaguya", especially since you are saying that Sasuke is still faster, which only makes you look like a wishy washy fanboy instead of just a fanboy.
She noticed her foe both times, yet did nothing at all.
1- I do agree that Sasuke is faster than DMS Kakashi and my opinion is consistent. Sasuke can teleport while kakashi can't, that automatically puts him on an instant-level speed. Which kakashi doesn't have.
2- Okay, since you are still bringing unreasonable points, i'm bringing manga scans. First of all, you are overrating Kaguya's reaction speed. If we go by manga facts, Kaguya can't react to an unfront atack from naruto and kakashi (not the same about sakura)
-Naruto blitzed her a lot further than Kakashi and Sakura did and she couldn't react.
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-Kaguya jumped to the direction Sakura was, that's the reason she couldn't dodge her when she was so close. If you are running towards a wall at high speed and the wall is like 5 mts away, it's a lot harder to slow down and change directions. Kaguya had all the momentum from her jump going straight were sakura was (who jumped from behind her, with help of kakashi's susano if i recall). In the scan we can really see that when Kaguya realises that Sakura is behind her, she's already too close, while kakashi was a lot further.
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-Sakura punching Kaguya from behind, who literally jumped right to her punch at high speed thus the momentum of her own speed didn't allow her to dodge, also when she realized Sakura was there ( ! ) sakura was already too close. And you compare it to kakashi's feat? Kakashi was a lot further and Kaguya realized that Kakashi was coming against him and she had a lot more time to react this time, also she didn't have the momentum towards kakashi's atack so dodging would have been a lot easier for her.
3- I brought a lame example to show how unlogicall your point was. I tought you'd realize it.
4- Kakashi blitzing Kaguya doesn't mean Kakashi is faster. Sasuke's reaction speed is leagues aboves kakashi's and he also can teleport, so kakashi's speed is not on sasuke's level. But Kamui raikiri was in fact faster than atacks that sasuke used against Kaguya.
5- She noticed kakashi several meters away, while she noticed sakura like what? 3 meters away? and jumping right to her punch, that's why she didn't dodge!
Anyways KG your whole argument crumbles when you fail to see that punching a target that is coming at high speed against you and only realizes you're there when you are too close is a lot easier than what kakashi did.
Anyways KG your whole argument crumbles when you fail to see that punching a target that is coming at high speed against you and only realizes you're there when you are too close is a lot easier than what kakashi did.
She wasn't moving at a high speed, or rather she wasn't moving at top speed. Your whole argument crumbles when you realize that Sakura punched Kaguya and the latter didn't react. Whether or not Kaguya was in motion doesn't change the fact that she should've been able to react to someone as slow as Sakura, who was in free fall no less.
Punching a target coming close to you at high speed is easier than what Kakashi did, in regards to actually landing the damn hit. Doesn't change the fact that Kaguya didn't react to either one. So, using the Kakashi fanboy's logic.
Kakashi=>Sakura>Rinnegan Sasuke>BM Minato>BM Naruto in speed.
1- I do agree that Sasuke is faster than DMS Kakashi and my opinion is consistent. Sasuke can teleport while kakashi can't, that automatically puts him on an instant-level speed. Which kakashi doesn't have.
Yet Sasuke failed to hit Kaguya. Lmao. Your opinion is baseless and inconsistent.
2- Okay, since you are still bringing unreasonable points, i'm bringing manga scans. First of all, you are overrating Kaguya's reaction speed. If we go by manga facts, Kaguya can't react to an unfront atack from naruto and kakashi (not the same about sakura)
Lol. I'm overrating the reaction speed of someone who evaded Sasuke's teleportation attack? Smh. Coming from the guy who is stating that Kakashi>Sasuke in speed, but trying to say that he doesn't mean that? Lmao.
-Naruto blitzed her a lot further than Kakashi and Sakura did and she couldn't react.
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-Kaguya jumped to the direction Sakura was, that's the reason she couldn't dodge her when she was so close. If you are running towards a wall at high speed and the wall is like 5 mts away, it's a lot harder to slow down and change directions. Kaguya had all the momentum from her jump going straight were sakura was (who jumped from behind her, with help of kakashi's susano if i recall). In the scan we can really see that when Kaguya realises that Sakura is behind her, she's already too close, while kakashi was a lot further.
Except her reacting doesn't mean that she has to dodge. Her reacting means that she can open a portal. Use a Jutsu. Or do anything besides not react. So the whole last part of your post is completely irrelevant. Sakura hit Kaguya, Kaguya didn't react. Kakashi hit Kaguya in a very similar manner, and she didn't react. Same thing. Stop trying to make it different than what it is.
-Sakura punching Kaguya from behind, who literally jumped right to her punch at high speed thus the momentum of her own speed didn't allow her to dodge, also when she realized Sakura was there ( ! ) sakura was already too close. And you compare it to kakashi's feat? Kakashi was a lot further and Kaguya realized that Kakashi was coming against him and she had a lot more time to react this time, also she didn't have the momentum towards kakashi's atack so dodging would have been a lot easier for her.
Once again. Dodging=/=Reacting in general. Then there's the fact that she'd have to be moving near top speed for this point to make a shred of sense, but she wasn't, so it doesn't.
Lmao.
3- I brought a lame example to show how unlogicall your point was. I tought you'd realize it.
Your example is supposed to correlate with the one I made. Lmao. Learn how examples work before you use them, cause you look foolish.
4- Kakashi blitzing Kaguya doesn't mean Kakashi is faster. Sasuke's reaction speed is leagues aboves kakashi's and he also can teleport, so kakashi's speed is not on sasuke's level. But Kamui raikiri was in fact faster than atacks that sasuke used against Kaguya.
Lmfao. Wow. You sound mighty foolish here. Sasuke teleported, and failed to hit her. Kakashi Shunshin'd, and hit her. Raikiri isn't an attack with it's own speed. It's speed is determined by how fast the user strikes, and Sasuke is faster than Kakashi.
5- She noticed kakashi several meters away, while she noticed sakura like what? 3 meters away? and jumping right to her punch, that's why she didn't dodge!
So now we are saying that Kaguya is too slow to react to Sakura from 3 meters away? In free fall? Despite slower people reacting against faster opponents in similar distances? lmao. Kakashi fans never cease to amaze me.
Yet Sasuke failed to hit Kaguya. Lmao. Your opinion is baseless and inconsistent.
Lol. I'm overrating the reaction speed of someone who evaded Sasuke's teleportation attack? Smh. Coming from the guy who is stating that Kakashi>Sasuke in speed, but trying to say that he doesn't mean that? Lmao.
Except her reacting doesn't mean that she has to dodge. Her reacting means that she can open a portal. Use a Jutsu. Or do anything besides not react. So the whole last part of your post is completely irrelevant. Sakura hit Kaguya, Kaguya didn't react. Kakashi hit Kaguya in a very similar manner, and she didn't react. Same thing. Stop trying to make it different than what it is.
Once again. Dodging=/=Reacting in general. Then there's the fact that she'd have to be moving near top speed for this point to make a shred of sense, but she wasn't, so it doesn't.
Lmao.
Your example is supposed to correlate with the one I made. Lmao. Learn how examples work before you use them, cause you look foolish.
Lmfao. Wow. You sound mighty foolish here. Sasuke teleported, and failed to hit her. Kakashi Shunshin'd, and hit her. Raikiri isn't an attack with it's own speed. It's speed is determined by how fast the user strikes, and Sasuke is faster than Kakashi.
So now we are saying that Kaguya is too slow to react to Sakura from 3 meters away? In free fall? Despite slower people reacting against faster opponents in similar distances? lmao. Kakashi fans never cease to amaze me.
LMAO, okay i think this will be my last reply on this thread since you're running out of ideas.
1- Sasuke moves faster than kakashi with his teletransportation, yet he takes more time to make the atack than kakashi did. Moving =/= moving and atacking. Smh.
2- Sasuke's teletransportation is fast, but once he already changed his position he still has to make a fast atack, wich he couldn't do against kaguya. Teleporting =instant or almost instant dependinf on how much sasuke needs to focus. Teleporting and atacking =/= Instant. Stop ignoring what i'm saying, DMS Kakashi's sunshin is faster than sasuke's sunshin and it was more useful against kaguya since Kakashi's sunshin is the atack itself (kamui raikiri) while sasuke's ST is a separate move from his atack.
3- Opening a portal is useless since kakashi would have closed it at that moment with his own eye (like he did to save naruto). You totally failed here, since Kaguya's only choice there was dodge, since using a portal would have been useless, and she obviously wasn't on time to think about other jutsu. Unless you can proof Kaguya could have done something else? I don't think so lol. Also, you didn't even counter any of my arguments about the distance sakura was from Kaguya already, and that she didn't notice her until the last moment (its showed on the manga scan). So you chose just a small part of my whole argument and gave a lame counter argument and then ignored the rest... lmao... Kaguya reacted to sakura but her momentum did not allow her to dodge, kakashi didn't allow her to use portals and sakura's starting distance didn't allow her to use any other jutsu.
4- That wasn't free fall, Sakura jumped down from kakashi's susano and at the same time Kaguya jumped up at a very high speed (enough speed to get out of naruto's and sasuke's way), so that's why she wasn't able to do anything, sakura had a momentum stronger than free fall against her and at the same time Kaguya jumped right against her punch. But she did react. You see it on the holy f*cking scan (!)
Okay i don't think i'm gonna bother to reply again, unless you keep giving lame arguments, feel free to do what you want.
But first i ask you a favor:
Bother to counter the arguments i give you, you didn't reply shit to what i told you about sakura being too close to her and that's the main point of my whole argument. Dont ignore it.
Kakashi's sunshin > Sasuke's
Sasuke's ST > Kakashi's sunshin
Kakashi's kamui raikiri (from that distance)> Sasuke teleporting and then atacking (as two different things)
I disagree. The more chakra one has, the faster they get. The more chakra Naruto's cloak leaks out, the faster he gets (
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so Sasuke having a lot more Rikudo chakra than Kakashi should also give him better speed. Not to mention Yin seal Sakura's speed feats take a major dump on Pre Yin seal Sakura's. More chakra = greater speed.
I specifically was talking about shunshin ,not regular movement speed. For example Kakashis shunshin remained as fast as before despite him being on low chakra level (
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No idea why you're laughing when this is such a ridiculous point to make,. That blindspot is nowhere near large enough to hold sakura's entire body, therefore this is irrelevant.
The range of that weak spot gets smaller the closer one get's to it, but not once did Kaguya see Sakura, don't know about you, but that's a pretty piss pour Byakugan.
Lol Now this is where I laugh at you, you have absolutely nothing to base your claim off of, nothing but just plain old assumptions. You have zero proof that kaguya didn't see her, especially considering the fact that there's an exclamation mark above her head before she makes contact. Honestly how many more times to I have to repeat myself, feel like a goddamned broken record over here.
The Byakugan also gives the user the ability to see through Transformation Jutsu, yet she didn't see through it.
& How is this even remotely related to what I said? Jesus follow your own pathetic arguments. You said that she was put in a weakened state, I proved that garbage wrong by showing you she was in the same state she was in when both sakura & kakashi hit her, so you have no point.
Are you retarded? The sources are there, just look at the facts, click on the annotation, copy the chapter & page #, then google it. Honestly I learned this sh*t in junior high, don't tell me you don't know how do a bit of research on your own. I'm not your teacher or mother & you've hopefully spent enough time on the internet to figure stuff out for yourself. Smfh...
Yet she didn't see her, not once, otherwise she would've dodged.
Fallacy; affirming the consequent. Just because kaguya didn't dodge her it doesn't mean she didn't see her. If A then C, C; hence A. People who don't see attacks coming can't dodge them, kaguya didn't dodge sakura's attack, therefore she must not have seen it coming. People don't always dodge attacks that they can see, therefore this fallacy doesn't hold.
Yet Kaguya didn't even know Sakura was there, otherwise she would've dodged, sorry.
Sorry for you, but you aren't going to get away w/ using formal fallacies to try & prove a point, not here. Kaguya not dodging =/= kaguya not noticing, especially when there's an exclamation mark in literally the previous panel. But ofc you're not going to mention it because it's actually something substantial, while you hold on to nothing but fallacies. Lol Good show.
But there is no way in hell someone who is as ridiculously fast as Kaguya is can get blitzed by Sakura, sorry, but it just makes no sense an is ridiculous, that's why it's PIS.
Lel sorry but this awful argument turns around on itself. If sakura can do it but you brush it off as PIS then what makes kakashi's feat nothing more than PIS? Oh yeah I forgot, it's whatever you want it to be since apparently you know when PIS is being used. Pathetic, you don't have a leg to stand on here. It's even more ridiculous for kakashi to blitz kaguya from a further distance when someone w/ more rikudou chakra failed to do so at point blank.
PIS for sakura = PIS for kakashi, don't wanna hear you whine anymore, the only thing separating them is your biased interpretation, as I probably mentioned earlier.
No, Kakashi was literately right in front of her from a fair bit, the next second he had passed through her and she'd already been hit, whereas Sakura was right behind her, and punched her when Kaguya wasn't looking at her, there's a difference.
Zero difference, sensory abilities & byakugan demolish that idea. Nothing about kaguya's normal eyes are any different from her byakugan vision or her sensory abilities unless you have proof. I can easily say that kaguya's eyesight sucks, therefore kakashi blitzed her. You can't prove me wrong but the burden of proof is on me to prove that her eyesight does suck. Now as for your situation, burden of proof is on you to prove that kaguya's sensory abilities can't pick up on chakra moving & that her byakugan is the same way, then prove why she was surprised before sakura hit her, then prove why sasuke couldn't do it.
W/o the adequate proof, kaguya's byakugan & sensory abilities easily make up for her not directly seeing sakura, therefore there was no difference & again, you have no point [seems to be a trend w/ you].
Smh, talk about utter ****ing stupidity. Please stop reaching towards shit that isn't there.
Do you even know what stupidity is? Obviously not considering you think you're argument doesn't reek of it. Using fallacies on me then trying to project your stupidity onto me, cute, but it's not gonna fly.
And yet she didn't see around her, otherwise she would've seen many things that happened, and would've known they were coming, yet she didn't.
She had nothing to care about other than avoiding naruto & sasuke's seals. Sorry but again this isn't proof that she didn't see sakura coming down on her, not until you prove that her ability to detect chakra was disrupted, which you can't w/o resorting to fallacies such as "if she saw the attack she would've dodged it".
If she knew Sakura was behind her she would've dodged, your point is moot.
Get the f*ck outta here, lmfao. Affirming the consequent, using it as your main rebuttal, then telling me my entire point is moot because of it. Truly one of the "slower" members I've ever encountered here, seriously.
You put on this big attitude, throw around insults, but when we look at the big picture & actually dissect your argument, it becomes quite clear who the real moron in this conversation is. Lol
Exactly, so prove she knew that kakashi wasn't just going to pass through her entirely. Prove she wasn't willing to tank the attack like she has for multiple attacks from stronger characters.
It doesn't matter, she was looking right at Kakashi, he was simply too fast for her.
This doesn't prove anything, in fact it goes along nicely w/ your little fallacy. So now if a character can see/notice an attack but doesn't dodge that means the other character was too fast for them? Nope, sorry, doesn't work that way either. Not when
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tanked an attack instead of slipping through it, not when
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tanked an attack instead of dodging it, & especially not when kaguya herself tanks attacks instead of dodging them on multiple occasions.
People who are slower than others can see an attack but can't dodge, kaguya saw kakashi's attack but didn't dodge, therefore she was slower than him.
Too bad it is true. Lmao people, stop grasping at straws, ****, seriously, there's a difference between Kakashi's and Sakura's feat.
Just because she didn't dodge doesn't mean she didn't see or notice her, how many times are you going to use this fallacy? The exclamation mark on the previous panel is the only thing of substance, & your fallacy isn't > evidence actually suggesting otherwise.
Well no sh*t, but obviously not according to your logic if she can hit kaguya but sasuke can't. This is the conclusion that your logic takes you to if you believe that kakashi has the speed to blitz kaguya.
Expecting? Kakashi was right in front of her lmao, her expecting it or not is moot, stop reaching for shit that isn't there.
Lol & This is why you're a joke. Concession accepted, literally didn't do anything to address my point & just spouted some nonsense. Can't prove she wasn't going to try & tank it? Then as I said your concession is welcomed.
Yeah actually & combined w/ the previous concession & the fallacy you tried to use on me, your argument is looking sh*ttier & sh*ttier. In fact you don't even have an argument.
, I guess Sakura is equal to an 8th Gate Gai then.
Lol This moron, trying to change the entire point. You said it was PIS that sakura broke kaguya's horn, I said that you're an idiot for believing such a thing since taijutsu works on rikudou enhanced characters. You then proceed to tell me that gai is a special case & when I prove that gai isn't a special case you're trying to make out like I believe sakura equals 8G gai?
Please for the love of god follow your own arguments, I never once said that 8G gai's attack was the same type of attack as sakura's, merely that it's taijutsu, & taijutsu allowed sakura to break the horn. Jesus christ even a simpleton has the intelligence to at least follow their own points, this is just sad.
Oh please I hope you do, you'd be doing the world a huge favor by ridding us of your presence.
I guess when Naruto had refills from the Kyubi that he wasn't tired anymore because obviously suddenly having a chakra refill equates being fully rejuvenated.
Lol Dafuq are you talking about...? You realize that the bold is EXACTLY the same thing, right? Please say yes..
Kakashi was fighting for an entire day, he'd barely had any rest but could still take on V2 Jins, fight Obito, fight Obito some more, and yet again, fight some more.
Yet he refilled on his chakra supply multiple times, again you have no point. I give you proof that chakra improves one's performance physically yet your response is this? Utterly ridiculous, I honestly don't even know why I bother, maybe it's because I take joy in embarrassing people by calling them out on their awful logic. Lol
Honestly I don't even care really, judging by the above your point was sh*t anyways.
What I said, was that with both eyes, Kakashi can become intangible, can place vortexes behind his enemies by using the long range Kamui, than he can go to the Kamui dimension, and appear out the other end, that's what I meant by 'dimensional shifting.'
Lmfao & it's even more retarded than I thought. Oh boy... Better have some proof that he can or that he did do this to kaguya, otherwise drop it for your sake.
Not once did I ever state that Kamui Raikiri makes him faster, your the retarded one considering you can't even read properly.
Lol You try so hard to get me, hell I'll admit I thought I may have misread your post, but of course your stupidity shines again. I actually don't have words anymore, here's what you said:
DMS Kakashi's Kamui surpasses Sasuke's foot/striking speed considering he doesn't have to solidify to hurt his opponent, or he needs to do is use Kamui Raikiri.
If anyone here is to blame for me misinterpreting your post it's you, your sh*tty preschool level grammar & sentence structure is what lead me to believe that you thought kakashi's kamui makes him faster. I even addressed this crap directly:
& I'm supposed to be the retarded one? Smh. Anyways this has nothing, I repeat, nothing to do w/ speed. Intangibility grants kakashi the ability to slip through attacks, intangibility has never in the history of this manga made someone move faster, meaning you still believe that kakashi w/o kamui is faster than sasuke since he had to be in order to hit her w/o her being able to move.
But instead of replying to me there & saying I misinterpreted your post you let me write another reply to it, then told me that's not what you said. So either your blind, you didn't read my first response, your trying to save face, or you really are a moron.
Yes, indeed, Kakashi can stay intangible as he goes through his enemy and his Kamui Rakiri will hit them for him.
- Guy has problem w/ my logic
- Guy calls my arguments bs
- Guy doesn't even know what affirming the consequent even means
- Guy uses such a fallacy to support his mess of a reply to me
Lol I think you should be asking that question to yourself.
Pure assumption & conjecture, nothing suggests that kaguya's sensory abilities & byakugan were hindered to the point where she would fail to notice sakura, then the exclamation mark merely reinforces the fact that she did notice her.
Saying Kaguya was distracted because the atack just slipped trough Kakashi is a lame argument.
You know what's lame? Saying kakashi blitzed kaguya when sakura did the exact same thing, until someone proves that here sensory abilities are worse than her eyesight at least.
& You missed the point, this isn't even my argument to begin w/. Point is we have no idea what kaguya was thinking at the time kakashi hit her, was she willing to tank the attack? Was she startled at kakashi slipping through her attack? Does she have bad eyesight? Did she think kakashi would hit her? Who knows, point is these explanations are all more credible than kakashi being faster than sasuke, which blatantly contradicts the manga.
She was distracted by the fact that Sasuke could teleport next to her when they were about to seal her but she still reacted and jumped out of the way (there's when Sakura's punch comes).
Still fail to see your point, this merely makes sakura's feat look more impressive, so she must be comparable to sasuke if she can hit kaguya while sasuke can't hit the weak one. This is literally the logic you kakashi fanboys are using, it's getting ridiculous.
(Here's the scan that proofs Kaguya got a lot stronger after becominga rabbit)
Prove she wanted to dodge that attack instead of tank it like she's done a million other times in the manga. You can't, you have no idea what she was thinking, being distracted is still a more valid explanation than kakashi being faster than sasuke & that's that.
LMAO, okay i think this will be my last reply on this thread since you're running out of ideas.
1- Sasuke moves faster than kakashi with his teletransportation, yet he takes more time to make the atack than kakashi did. Moving =/= moving and atacking. Smh.
Which means you are saying that Kakashi strikes faster than Sasuke, which isn't true as Sasuke was faster than Kakashi in all areas before.
2- Sasuke's teletransportation is fast, but once he already changed his position he still has to make a fast atack, wich he couldn't do against kaguya. Teleporting =instant or almost instant dependinf on how much sasuke needs to focus. Teleporting and atacking =/= Instant. Stop ignoring what i'm saying, DMS Kakashi's sunshin is faster than sasuke's sunshin and it was more useful against kaguya since Kakashi's sunshin is the atack itself (kamui raikiri) while sasuke's ST is a separate move from his atack.
Read above please. I've replied to everything you are saying. You are too stupid to understand though. Though the bold only begins to show your idiocy. Let's dissect the stupidity that is called your post.
-You state that Sasuke's foot speed is close to Kakashi's.
DMS Kakashi speedblitzed Kaguya and its a fact. DMS Kakashi's foot speed is really close to sasuke's.
But somehow you are stating that Kakashi can speed blitz Kaguya, while Sasuke canonically failed to blitz her w/ an S/T Jutsu. Or are you stating that teleportation attacks are slower than Shunshin attacks from the same person? Lmao. I pray to God that you aren't insinuating something that stupid.
Quit being a wishy washy clown.
3- Opening a portal is useless since kakashi would have closed it at that moment with his own eye (like he did to save naruto). You totally failed here, since Kaguya's only choice there was dodge, since using a portal would have been useless, and she obviously wasn't on time to think about other jutsu. Unless you can proof Kaguya could have done something else? I don't think so lol. Also, you didn't even counter any of my arguments about the distance sakura was from Kaguya already, and that she didn't notice her until the last moment (its showed on the manga scan). So you chose just a small part of my whole argument and gave a lame counter argument and then ignored the rest... lmao... Kaguya reacted to sakura but her momentum did not allow her to dodge, kakashi didn't allow her to use portals and sakura's starting distance didn't allow her to use any other jutsu.
I'll give you the portal part, but you literally have no proof for anything else in this section of your post. By saying Kaguya couldn't act, you are saying that Sakura blitzed her. It's really that simple. Sakura's starting distance was the same as Kakashi's as that is where Susanoo was destroyed, the same Susanoo she was in. Kaguya noticed her at the last moment. Is the last moment the same as the moment she got hit? No dumbass. It's not. Lmao.
So once again. You are basically admitting that you believe Sakura blitzed Kaguya. You've only said that using a portal was useless, and then you outright stated that she couldn't do anything else. Lol.
Not even sure what the hell you are talking about with the underlined. If she couldn't use a jutsu before she got hit, that means Sakura is fast enough to intercept Kaguya before she can use any jutsu. Lmao. Stop being dumb for once in your life.
4- That wasn't free fall, Sakura jumped down from kakashi's susano and at the same time Kaguya jumped up at a very high speed (enough speed to get out of naruto's and sasuke's way), so that's why she wasn't able to do anything, sakura had a momentum stronger than free fall against her and at the same time Kaguya jumped right against her punch. But she did react. You see it on the holy f*cking scan (!)
Free fall or not. She didn't physically react to Sakura's approach. End of story. Her moving at a high speed is nothing but a baseless assumption considering Naruto and Sasuke themselves weren't moving anywhere near their top speeds. Not to mention Sakura was able to come down and meet Sasuke and Naruto's positions, so they couldn't have been moving much faster than her. Stop being a retard and start using your fucking brain, if you have one that is.
No idea why you're laughing when this is such a ridiculous point to make,. That blindspot is nowhere near large enough to hold sakura's entire body, therefore this is irrelevant.
Lol Now this is where I laugh at you, you have absolutely nothing to base your claim off of, nothing but just plain old assumptions. You have zero proof that kaguya didn't see her, especially considering the fact that there's an exclamation mark above her head before she makes contact. Honestly how many more times to I have to repeat myself, feel like a goddamned broken record over here.
Again based on absolutely nothing, you gonna keep doing this? It's getting repetitive.
Sakura's body is small enough to slip through it until this point (the spot where the red bar is).
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Yet she had exclamation marks and a question mark when she got punched by Sakura.
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As if she didn't expect to be punched.
& How is this even remotely related to what I said? Jesus follow your own pathetic arguments. You said that she was put in a weakened state, I proved that garbage wrong by showing you she was in the same state she was in when both sakura & kakashi hit her, so you have no point.
Are you retarded? The sources are there, just look at the facts, click on the annotation, copy the chapter & page #, then google it. Honestly I learned this sh*t in junior high, don't tell me you don't know how do a bit of research on your own. I'm not your teacher or mother & you've hopefully spent enough time on the internet to figure stuff out for yourself. Smfh...
I mistook the point in the manga in which Sakura hit Kaguya. Kaguya was actually in a strengthened state, though was injured pretty badly by Kakashi.
No, fan-made sites aren't usable, hence the word 'fan-made,' otherwise I'd be using it all the time. Doing my own research has nothing to do with you posting something from a fan-made site, it's just an excuse because you don't want to get busted for using it.
Fallacy; affirming the consequent. Just because kaguya didn't dodge her it doesn't mean she didn't see her. If A then C, C; hence A. People who don't see attacks coming can't dodge them, kaguya didn't dodge sakura's attack, therefore she must not have seen it coming. People don't always dodge attacks that they can see, therefore this fallacy doesn't hold.
Sorry for you, but you aren't going to get away w/ using formal fallacies to try & prove a point, not here. Kaguya not dodging =/= kaguya not noticing, especially when there's an exclamation mark in literally the previous panel. But ofc you're not going to mention it because it's actually something substantial, while you hold on to nothing but fallacies. Lol Good show.
Kaguya didn't dodge her because she wasn't expecting to be punched, exclamation marks on her head when Sakura punched her as proof.
Lel sorry but this awful argument turns around on itself. If sakura can do it but you brush it off as PIS then what makes kakashi's feat nothing more than PIS? Oh yeah I forgot, it's whatever you want it to be since apparently you know when PIS is being used. Pathetic, you don't have a leg to stand on here. It's even more ridiculous for kakashi to blitz kaguya from a further distance when someone w/ more rikudou chakra failed to do so at point blank.
PIS for sakura = PIS for kakashi, don't wanna hear you whine anymore, the only thing separating them is your biased interpretation, as I probably mentioned earlier.
Kakashi's wasn't PIS, his made sense since he had Rikudou chakra, he was so OP because he had two Sharingan's and the Rikudou chakra amplified his Kamui.
Zero difference, sensory abilities & byakugan demolish that idea. Nothing about kaguya's normal eyes are any different from her byakugan vision or her sensory abilities unless you have proof. I can easily say that kaguya's eyesight sucks, therefore kakashi blitzed her. You can't prove me wrong but the burden of proof is on me to prove that her eyesight does suck. Now as for your situation, burden of proof is on you to prove that kaguya's sensory abilities can't pick up on chakra moving & that her byakugan is the same way, then prove why she was surprised before sakura hit her, then prove why sasuke couldn't do it.
W/o the adequate proof, kaguya's byakugan & sensory abilities easily make up for her not directly seeing sakura, therefore there was no difference & again, you have no point [seems to be a trend w/ you].
Yet she didn't sense Sakura, a worthy mention is that Sakura was in Kakashi's Susano'o, which means she was surounded in chakra that wasn't hers, and thus Kaguya may have only sensed the Susano'o's chakra, but that is merely speculation.
Do you even know what stupidity is? Obviously not considering you think you're argument doesn't reek of it. Using fallacies on me then trying to project your stupidity onto me, cute, but it's not gonna fly.
She had nothing to care about other than avoiding naruto & sasuke's seals. Sorry but again this isn't proof that she didn't see sakura coming down on her, not until you prove that her ability to detect chakra was disrupted, which you can't w/o resorting to fallacies such as "if she saw the attack she would've dodged it".
Bold. So you finally admit it now. She was too busy avoiding Naruto and Sasuke to bother with anyone else, not to mention that she propelled herself in the air fast enough to dodge the two, I wonder if she even could have dodged considering how physics works.
Exactly, so prove she knew that kakashi wasn't just going to pass through her entirely. Prove she wasn't willing to tank the attack like she has for multiple attacks from stronger characters.
This doesn't prove anything, in fact it goes along nicely w/ your little fallacy. So now if a character can see/notice an attack but doesn't dodge that means the other character was too fast for them? Nope, sorry, doesn't work that way either. Not when
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opted to tank an attack instead of dodge it, not when
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tanked an attack instead of slipping through it, not when
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tanked an attack instead of dodging it, & especially not when kaguya herself tanks attacks instead of dodging them on multiple occasions.
People who are slower than others can see an attack but can't dodge, kaguya saw kakashi's attack but didn't dodge, therefore she was slower than him.
Kakashi stayed intangible as he passed through her, she got hit by the Kamui Rakiri, but he didn't become 'tangible.'
Lol, are you trying to say she opted to tank Kakashi's attack?
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Lol, that's the worst argument I've ever heard.
No there isn't. Stop whining & prove that kaguya couldn't see or sense sakura, because saying "she didn't dodge" is a sh*tty argument.
Well no sh*t, but obviously not according to your logic if she can hit kaguya but sasuke can't. This is the conclusion that your logic takes you to if you believe that kakashi has the speed to blitz kaguya.
Lol & This is why you're a joke. Concession accepted, literally didn't do anything to address my point & just spouted some nonsense. Can't prove she wasn't going to try & tank it? Then as I said your concession is welcomed.
No, my logic says Sasuke (with Amenotejikara)>>Sasuke (foot/striking speed) and Kakashi>>Sakura, going by your logic Sakura's was faster than Kakashi's blitz lol.
Can't be bothered to when you bring absolutely shitty arguments that make no sense and continues to repeat it like its fact.
Lol This moron, trying to change the entire point. You said it was PIS that sakura broke kaguya's horn, I said that you're an idiot for believing such a thing since taijutsu works on rikudou enhanced characters. You then proceed to tell me that gai is a special case & when I prove that gai isn't a special case you're trying to make out like I believe sakura equals 8G gai?
Please for the love of god follow your own arguments, I never once said that 8G gai's attack was the same type of attack as sakura's, merely that it's taijutsu, & taijutsu allowed sakura to break the horn. Jesus christ even a simpleton has the intelligence to at least follow their own points, this is just sad.
Never did I try to change the point. I said it was PIS that Sakura hurt Kaguya, and that Gai's Taijutsu was a special case because he opened the 8th Gate.
I can follow my own arguments fine, it's you who can't do that.
You better have some proof in support of such a baseless claim.
Lol Clearly the idiot is the one who thinks they can get away w/ using a fallacy, & probably doesn't even know what it is.
Ty, definitely saving this.
Oh please I hope you do, you'd be doing the world a huge favor by ridding us of your presence.
Lol Dafuq are you talking about...? You realize that the bold is EXACTLY the same thing, right? Please say yes..
Obito had a little of Juubi's chakra left over because his chakra merged with the Juubi's chakra upon becoming a Jin, just as it is for all Jinchuriki.
Save it don't save it, I don't care in the least.
So I guess when ever Naruto got a chakra refill he was no longer tired even though the manga depicts things entirely differently?
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Naruto is clearly exhausted here, he's even breathing heavily if I'm not mistaken.
Besides that, sure, I'll say yes if I'm mistaken with this part.
Lmfao & it's even more retarded than I thought. Oh boy... Better have some proof that he can or that he did do this to kaguya, otherwise drop it for your sake.
Merely stating that it's a possibility that Kakashi could do that, considering that its been shown that one can pass through the long range Kamui from both sides, and that with the short range Kamui one can teleport themselves to the Kamui dimension.
Lol You try so hard to get me, hell I'll admit I thought I may have misread your post, but of course your stupidity shines again. I actually don't have words anymore, here's what you said:
If anyone here is to blame for me misinterpreting your post it's you, your sh*tty preschool level grammar & sentence structure is what lead me to believe that you thought kakashi's kamui makes him faster. I even addressed this crap directly:
But instead of replying to me there & saying I misinterpreted your post you let me write another reply to it, then told me that's not what you said. So either your blind, you didn't read my first response, your trying to save face, or you really are a moron.
You did misinterpret me, and you failed hard in trying to prove you didn't.
This is what you said.
Yup, retard alert, message to anyone w/ at least half a brain. DO NOT take this guy seriously.
DB Entry of kamui raikiri.
Don't see a single thing mentioned about kamui being used to move or make kakashi faster, merely that intangibility is used along side a regular raikiri. This point is empty, he had his regular traveling speed.
You gave me a DB entry stating that Kamui Raikiri doesn't make Kakashi faster, than mention that Kamui isn't mentioned as being used to move or make Kakashi move faster.
What I said, is that Kamui Raikiri doesn't make Kakashi faster, at all, it merely allows him to stay intangible as it hits his target.
Its been shown you can teleport with the Kamui, thus why I said that Kakashi with Kamui is faster than Sasuke. Not only that, but another reason why I said that is because unlike Sasuke who actually has to strike his enemy, Kakashi doesn't and merely passes through them as his Kamui Raikiri hurts (even kills) his target.
I'm not even bias with Kakashi, heck I actually like Sasuke more than I do Kakashi, Sasuke's like my favourite character besides Nagato, Itachi, Minato and Naruto.
Your grammar is pretty shitty also, mine is a lot better then from what you've seen, but I can't be bothered to be perfect with it on this forum.
I save great grammar for my stories.
