Sorry, this proves nothing, distracted or not she has the speed & power to dodge sakura, only an idiot would believe otherwise. Oh yeah, forgot to mention her byakugan, so there goes any idea you may have had of her not noticing the slug of an opponent dropping down on her & winding up.
She couldn't react to Sakura because she was busy trying to dodge Naruto and Sasuke.
All I see here is you making up some nice excuses for kaguya, but none of it holds.
Unless her byagkugan & sensory abilities were broken then nothing was stopping her from changing the trajectory of her flight to dodge sakura's punch. How many times have we seen characters block attacks from behind? Please don't make me remind you because It would be pages worth.
Not only that, but not once did Kaguya take her eyes of Naruto and Sasuke, so your point is moot.
If only I was, lmfao. The only one reaching is the one trying to give kakashi a speed feat when sakura did the exact same thing.
Kaguya can't be hurt by anything but Senjutsu or Rikudou chakra and somehow Sakura not only hurt her but destroyed her horns, horns that were durable enough to withstand some of Naruto's strong attacks, that is clearly nothing but PIS.
genius, when kakashi just got a chakra cloak from naruto [meaning his own reserves had to be full]. The only one tired in that fight was obito & he even let kakashi win that one.
No he's not, they equalled in cqc meaning even w/ raikiri his speed isn't leagues ahead of obito's. Makes zero sense & nothing you can say will change that.
Yet Kakashi passed right through Kaguya without even solidifying himself and she was still hurt. So no, it was the Kamui Raikiri that hurt her, while he stayed intangible, which he does to Obito.
Lol What the hell is this? How does this have anything to do w/ what I said? This still means you think that sakura > sasuke in foot/striking speed, since kakashi & sakura were fast enough to hit her while sasuke was not. How kakashi hit her is irrelevant, you can try & explain it all you want but at the end of the day nothing changes.
Lmao, DMS Kakashi's Kamui surpasses Sasuke's foot/striking speed considering he doesn't have to solidify to hurt his opponent, or he needs to do is use Kamui Raikiri.
Lol & I'm supposed to be the retarded one? Smh. Anyways this has nothing, I repeat, nothing to do w/ speed. Intangibility grants kakashi the ability to slip through attacks, intangibility has never in the history of this manga made someone move faster, meaning you still believe that kakashi w/o kamui is faster than sasuke since he had to be in order to hit her w/o her being able to move.
This is a warning, don't start throwing insults, it won't end well for you. If you insult me in your next reply then I'm not going to play nice.
Sorry, this proves nothing, distracted or not she has the speed & power to dodge sakura, only an idiot would believe otherwise. Oh yeah, forgot to mention her byakugan, so there goes any idea you may have had of her not noticing the slug of an opponent dropping down on her & winding up.
All I see here is you making up some nice excuses for kaguya, but none of it holds.
Unless her byagkugan & sensory abilities were broken then nothing was stopping her from changing the trajectory of her flight to dodge sakura's punch. How many times have we seen characters block attacks from behind? Please don't make me remind you because It would be pages worth.
Byakugan, your rebuttal is moot.
If only I was, lmfao. The only one reaching is the one trying to give kakashi a speed feat when sakura did the exact same thing.
Lmfao This guy, still hanging on to the PIS argument? Sorry but it doesn't hold either.
Did you forget that whole battle b/w JJ madara & 8G gai? Did you forget the entire reason why gai was kicking his ass? Because
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to a JJ's body on top of that.
Please don't try to bring in something like this & claim PIS, it's nonsense.
If only that sh*t was true.
I was talking about their
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genius, when kakashi just got a chakra cloak from naruto [meaning his own reserves had to be full]. The only one tired in that fight was obito & he even let kakashi win that one.
Again, if only I was. Learn what reaching is before using the word, because it's obviously too advanced for you.
No he's not, they equalled in cqc meaning even w/ raikiri his speed isn't leagues ahead of obito's. Makes zero sense & nothing you can say will change that.
Lol What the hell is this? How does this have anything to do w/ what I said? This still means you think that sakura > sasuke in foot/striking speed, since kakashi & sakura were fast enough to hit her while sasuke was not. How kakashi hit her is irrelevant, you can try & explain it all you want but at the end of the day nothing changes.
Lol & I'm supposed to be the retarded one? Smh. Anyways this has nothing, I repeat, nothing to do w/ speed. Intangibility grants kakashi the ability to slip through attacks, intangibility has never in the history of this manga made someone move faster, meaning you still believe that kakashi w/o kamui is faster than sasuke since he had to be in order to hit her w/o her being able to move.
Then get your piss poor logic out of here. K? K.
You can't sneak up on a byakugan user w/ sensory abilities, how does that make any sense?
Are people actually saying Kakashi boosted by a small amount of Rikudo chakra is going to be faster than Sasuke who gained a much larger amount especially when Sasuke without Rikudo chakra is already faster than Kakashi without Rikudo chakra?
Are people actually saying Kakashi boosted by a small amount of Rikudo chakra is going to be faster than Sasuke who gained a much larger amount especially when Sasuke without Rikudo chakra is already faster than Kakashi without Rikudo chakra?
The amount of Rikudo chakra they gained is irrelevant in this case because they only use a small portion of it for shunshin. The quality of their chakra is what matters thats why by feats Kakashis shunshin is much faster.
Sorry, this proves nothing, distracted or not she has the speed & power to dodge sakura, only an idiot would believe otherwise. Oh yeah, forgot to mention her byakugan, so there goes any idea you may have had of her not noticing the slug of an opponent dropping down on her & winding up.
Lol, you think she could do that when not only had she just been put into a weakened state but both Sasuke and Naruto were within arms length of her???
Kaguya's Byakugan was pretty shit since she never really used it for its vision at all.
All I see here is you making up some nice excuses for kaguya, but none of it holds.
Unless her byagkugan & sensory abilities were broken then nothing was stopping her from changing the trajectory of her flight to dodge sakura's punch. How many times have we seen characters block attacks from behind? Please don't make me remind you because It would be pages worth.
Yes again, she was literately dealing with both Naruto and Sasuke at the same time, if they had even managed to touch her it would've been game over, circumstances are a *****.
Byakugan, your rebuttal is moot.
If only I was, lmfao. The only one reaching is the one trying to give kakashi a speed feat when sakura did the exact same thing.
She barely used the Byakugan nor did she use it to see all around her, she was literately completely and utterly focused on Naruto and Sasuke, your points are moot.
No, your the one reaching when Kakashi's feat was completly different to Sakura's feat, Kakashi was literately right in front of Kaguya, a fair bit away, and the next second he had passed right through her and appeared out the other end.
Lmfao This guy, still hanging on to the PIS argument? Sorry but it doesn't hold either.
Did you forget that whole battle b/w JJ madara & 8G gai? Did you forget the entire reason why gai was kicking his ass? Because
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on rikudou enhanced characters as well, let's not forget what a physically much weaker obito
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to a JJ's body on top of that.
Please don't try to bring in something like this & claim PIS, it's nonsense.
It was PIS.
8th Gate Gai is a special case, he has special abilities that Sakura can't replicate, there is a huge differentiation between their feats.
Obito still has residue Rikudou chakra from being a Jin.
Your point is moot.
If only that sh*t was true.
I was talking about their
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genius, when kakashi just got a chakra cloak from naruto [meaning his own reserves had to be full]. The only one tired in that fight was obito & he even let kakashi win that one.
Sorry but it is when your arguing something utterly idiotic as this.
Don't know about you but I don't see any cloak there.
Not only that, but Kakashi looked far more fatigued then Obito, Kakashi had been fighting longer to. More chakra does not equal being tired or not either.
Again, if only I was. Learn what reaching is before using the word, because it's obviously too advanced for you.
No he's not, they equalled in cqc meaning even w/ raikiri his speed isn't leagues ahead of obito's. Makes zero sense & nothing you can say will change that.
Let me reiterate, your the only one reaching here Lol.
Sorry lol, but Kakashi is leagues ahead of Obito in speed.
Lol What the hell is this? How does this have anything to do w/ what I said? This still means you think that sakura > sasuke in foot/striking speed, since kakashi & sakura were fast enough to hit her while sasuke was not. How kakashi hit her is irrelevant, you can try & explain it all you want but at the end of the day nothing changes.
What the **** dude?
Sasuke and Kakashi>>>>>>>>>>>Sakura and it's not even funny, please just stop with the bloody ****ing bs here.
I don't know how many times I'm gonna have to say this too punch it into your skull, but Sakura's feat does not equal Kakashi's feat. You'd have to have the brain cellular level of a 1 year old not to see that.
Not only that, but Kaguya's speed depends on chakra amount, when Sakura did that she was low on chakra, so yet again, your point is moot.
Lol & I'm supposed to be the retarded one? Smh. Anyways this has nothing, I repeat, nothing to do w/ speed. Intangibility grants kakashi the ability to slip through attacks, intangibility has never in the history of this manga made someone move faster, meaning you still believe that kakashi w/o kamui is faster than sasuke since he had to be in order to hit her w/o her being able to move.
You are indeed.
Kakashi has both eyes lmao, he now has the ability to become intangible and create warps from a distance, if he felt like it he could cross from one spot to another with that dimensional shifting.
One moment he was a fair bit away from Kaguya, the next this happened.
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No, Kakashi simply slipped right through Kaguya, he didn't become tangible, his Kamui Raikiri literally hit her as he passed through her.
That speed feat he displayed is easily around or above Sasuke foot speed.
Then get your piss poor logic out of here. K? K.
You can't sneak up on a byakugan user w/ sensory abilities, how does that make any sense?
Are people actually saying Kakashi boosted by a small amount of Rikudo chakra is going to be faster than Sasuke who gained a much larger amount especially when Sasuke without Rikudo chakra is already faster than Kakashi without Rikudo chakra?
Feats>>Assumption and speculations.it was never stated or portrayed that kakashi got less chakra than sasuke .but with feats wise ,kakashi got better speed and reaction feats and that is all what needed in vs threads .assumption stays assumption.
Feats>>Assumption and speculations.it was never stated or portrayed that kakashi got less chakra than sasuke .but with feats wise ,kakashi got better speed and reaction feats and that is all what needed in vs threads .assumption stays assumption.
Lol, Kakashi fapboys are the worst. You and anyone else who thinks Kakashi is faster than Sasuke really needs to stop posting.
1. He has no reaction feat that surpasses Sasuke's. His feat against Kaguya is equivalent to Sakura's feat. If you want to claim that Kakashi is fast enough to blitz Kaguya, then you better say that Sakura can do the same.
2. EMS Sasuke has been faster than War Arc Kakashi ever since a EMS Sasuke was reacting as fast as Naruto against Juubito, almost as fast as KCM Minato in some instances, and matched Naruto's regular movement speed with his own regular movement speed.
3. Then there's common sense, though I don't think you are smart enough to use this. Kakashi got a piece of chakra from JJ Madara. Sasuke got half directly from the source. Yet you are telling me Kakashi got greater buffs? Based on a feat that can be explained in other ways that make 10000x more sense than "Kakashi being faster than Sasuke"? Lmao. Get that weak shit out of here.
4. And the bold is what really got me. Especially since it's not only common sense that he didn't get the same amount as Sasuke, it was stated by Madara that Obito only grabbed a piece of his power while Hagorom gave Sasuke half of his. Unless you are saying a piece of Madara's chakra=Half of Hagoromo's chakra, I suggest you stop. Then there's the fact that you would notice of Obito sucked out HALF of Madara's goddamn chakra. Lmao.
Take Kakashi's wang out of your mouth. Watching you fap and slurp all over this thread is disgusting.
The byakugan's main ability is to extend the user's field of vision, she had it activated, meaning her vision was extended. Sakura dropping down on her doesn't = using a transformation jutsu so It wouldn't be relevant.
Again, irrelevant. all she did to avoid them was fly up, all she had to do to dodge a much slower sakura was fly forward or backwards. Nothing changed, just because they were about to touch her doesn't mean she was unable to dodge sakura.
Yup, they are. Unfortunately the circumstances in both sakura's & kakashi's cases were the same. All you're doing is making excuses as to why she was unable tot dodge yet that doesn't excuse anything. Kaguya could've dodged sakura's punch but didn't. Same case w/ kakashi, end of story.
That's an ability that comes w/ the byakugan upon activation, so yes she did see all around her. Not to mention that claiming she's sh*t w/ the byakugan when she's the original wielder is the epitome of reaching, you expect me to take you seriously w/ those kinds of claims? Lol Nty. Explain why she was better at wielding her 3rd eye when she never even grew up w/ it, then I might take you seriously.
She was literately completely and utterly focused on Naruto and Sasuke, your points are moot.
Bullsh*t, she clearly has an exclamation mark indicating surprise
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, now unless she was surprised at the two people she was focusing on then your rebuttal is debunked. She not only noticed her but saw her w/ the abilities granted through her senses & byakugan's vision. Nothing indicates that she was only focusing on naruto & sasuke.
& In any case I can turn your very own logic against you, since you can't prove what kaguya was thinking then how do you know she was ready for kakashi's attack? How do you know she wasn't startled at the fact that kakashi can slip through objects? How do you know she thought he'd be able to hit her if she just saw him slipping through attacks?
See? I can make excuses too, you can't prove that kaguya was in the right mindset to dodge kakashi's attack, prove that she knew kakashi was going to cut through her, I can go on & on.
No, your the one reaching when Kakashi's feat was completly different to Sakura's feat.
So? Doesn't matter how close sakura is she doesn't have striking speed anywhere near speedsters. JJ madara knocked SM minato on his ass before he could strike him. Doesn't matter how close sakura was, the fact that kaguya got hit by her despite noticing her in the previous scan proves that she has the striking speed
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[according to your logic].
& This still doesn't prove that kaguya expected kakashi to cut through her anyways. Maybe she was going to tank the attack like she did w/ naruto's
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or
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? She didn't know that the bijuu chakra would react the way it did, so why on earth would she suddenly know how kamui raikiri works? See? Your argument holds no weight.
Utterly idiotic? Laughable, when I make claims such as "DMS Kakashi >= Rinnegan Sasuke in foot/striking speed" then you can call my claims idiotic, until then take the petty insults elsewhere.
Don't know about you but I don't see any cloak there.
& Here we have someone who doesn't know how to read my responses... How about you read, then you'd see in the brackets I mentioned that having a cloak means his original reserves are filled. You can't fill a cup halfway with one liquid, overflow it w/ another, then take that overflow away & expect the cup to only be half full again. Makes no sense, kakashi's chakra was filled, only the cloak which granted extra chakra dissipated.
Not only that, but Kakashi looked far more fatigued then Obito, Kakashi had been fighting longer to.
Doesn't matter how he looked, it's called battle damage. No excessive panting/sweating or falling over = no fatigue large enough to hinder one's performance drastically. Take in how many times obito uses kamui throughout all of his fights [literally wouldn't be able to count them all]. Take in the fact that he controlled 6 bijuu, 5 simultaneously, & the juubi on top of that.
Kakashi got a refill multiple times throughout his fights w/ obito, obito didn't get a single one. Nothing suggests that kakashi was that much more tired than obito during that fight especially when obito was
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when he actually was running on empty.
More chakra does not equal being tired or not either.
Lol Sig worthy, truly. I guess that's why a kakashi
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due to lack of chakra easily
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to land hits on obito once he gained a refill? There's more examples but they really aren't needed. It's a well-known fact that less chakra = more fatigued & more chakra = less fatigued, shouldn't have to spell that one out for you.
Let me reiterate, your the only one reaching here .
Read the f*cking manga for god's sake, she was in the
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she was in when sakura hit her. Don't make yourself out to look like a bigger fool then you already have, the hole is just going to get deeper from here.
Lol Pathetic plebeian, can't even form a decent rebuttal yet I'm the retard, joke of the week.
Kakashi has both eyes lmao, he now has the ability to become intangible and create warps from a distance, if he felt like it he could cross from one spot to another with that dimensional shifting.
Lol What the actual f*ck are you talking about? Kakashi can't use intangibility to move faster even w/ both eyes, honestly I've seen some morons distort the mechanics behind kamui quite a bit, but I gotta say - this one definitely takes the cake.
One moment he was a fair bit away from Kaguya, the next this happened.
Yup, retard alert, message to anyone w/ at least half a brain. DO NOT take this guy seriously.
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Don't see a single thing mentioned about kamui being used to move or make kakashi faster, merely that intangibility is used along side a regular raikiri. This point is empty, he had his regular traveling speed.
No, Kakashi simply slipped right through Kaguya, he didn't become tangible, his Kamui Raikiri literally hit her as he passed through her.
Welp then that means a rikudou enhanced 3T kakashi is on rinnegan sasuke's level of footspeed, & sakura has > striking speed than him as well since kamui did nothing to propel kakashi forward, I think I'm gonna sig that one.
The byakugan's main ability is to extend the user's field of vision, she had it activated, meaning her vision was extended. Sakura dropping down on her doesn't = using a transformation jutsu so It wouldn't be relevant.
She wasn't in a weakened state, she was
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she was in when kakashi hit her. Kamui raikiri didn't slow down her reactions, so nothing changed.
Irrelevant, she has it,
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an automatic 360 degree field of vision starting at 50m while active, meaning she saw her.
Still didn't explain sensory abilities either.
Indeed, I'm laughing too.
Again, irrelevant. all she did to avoid them was fly up, all she had to do to dodge a much slower sakura was fly forward or backwards. Nothing changed, just because they were about to touch her doesn't mean she was unable to dodge sakura.
Yup, they are. Unfortunately the circumstances in both sakura's & kakashi's cases were the same. All you're doing is making excuses as to why she was unable tot dodge yet that doesn't excuse anything. Kaguya could've dodged sakura's punch but didn't. Same case w/ kakashi, end of story.
As I said, irrelevant.
That's an ability that comes w/ the byakugan upon activation, so yes she did see all around her. Not to mention that claiming she's sh*t w/ the byakugan when she's the original wielder is the epitome of reaching, you expect me to take you seriously w/ those kinds of claims? Lol Nty. Explain why she was better at wielding her 3rd eye when she never even grew up w/ it, then I might take you seriously.
Bullsh*t, she clearly has an exclamation mark indicating surprise
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, now unless she was surprised at the two people she was focusing on then your rebuttal is debunked. She not only noticed her but saw her w/ the abilities granted through her senses & byakugan's vision. Nothing indicates that she was only focusing on naruto & sasuke.
& In any case I can turn your very own logic against you, since you can't prove what kaguya was thinking then how do you know she was ready for kakashi's attack? How do you know she wasn't startled at the fact that kakashi can slip through objects? How do you know she thought he'd be able to hit her if she just saw him slipping through attacks?
See? I can make excuses too, you can't prove that kaguya was in the right mindset to dodge kakashi's attack, prove that she knew kakashi was going to cut through her, I can go on & on.
Too bad that's not true.
So? Doesn't matter how close sakura is she doesn't have striking speed anywhere near speedsters. JJ madara knocked SM minato on his ass before he could strike him. Doesn't matter how close sakura was, the fact that kaguya got hit by her despite noticing her in the previous scan proves that she has the striking speed
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[according to your logic].
& This still doesn't prove that kaguya expected kakashi to cut through her anyways. Maybe she was going to tank the attack like she did w/ naruto's
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or
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? She didn't know that the bijuu chakra would react the way it did, so why on earth would she suddenly know how kamui raikiri works? See? Your argument holds no weight.
Lmfao concession accepted, this isn't a rebuttal.
Nonsense, taijutsu is taijutsu & nothing you can say will change that. I guess the EE that madara got
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is weaker than both sakura & obito's punches since gai failed to penetrate madara's body w/ it... Lol Please, he isn't special.
Then we have madara
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w/ his own physical strength, never seen madara create a crater like
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, no reason to believe he has the striking power to match her.
Sorry but don't try & make up your own rules for the manga, you aren't kishi, nothing says that gai was a special case.
Lmfao he didn't
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until after he pierced madara's body, read the manga. Your rebuttal is again, the only moot thing here.
Utterly idiotic? Laughable, when I make claims such as "DMS Kakashi >= Rinnegan Sasuke in foot/striking speed" then you can call my claims idiotic, until then take the petty insults elsewhere.
& Here we have someone who doesn't know how to read my responses... How about you read, then you'd see in the brackets I mentioned that having a cloak means his original reserves are filled. You can't fill a cup halfway with one liquid, overflow it w/ another, then take that overflow away & expect the cup to only be half full again. Makes no sense, kakashi's chakra was filled, only the cloak which granted extra chakra dissipated.
Doesn't matter how he looked, it's called battle damage. No excessive panting/sweating or falling over = no fatigue large enough to hinder one's performance drastically. Take in how many times obito uses kamui throughout all of his fights [literally wouldn't be able to count them all]. Take in the fact that he controlled 6 bijuu, 5 simultaneously, & the juubi on top of that.
Kakashi got a refill multiple times throughout his fights w/ obito, obito didn't get a single one. Nothing suggests that kakashi was that much more tired than obito during that fight especially when obito was
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when he actually was running on empty.
Lol Sig worthy, truly. I guess that's why a kakashi
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due to lack of chakra easily
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to land hits on obito once he gained a refill? There's more examples but they really aren't needed. It's a well-known fact that less chakra = more fatigued & more chakra = less fatigued, shouldn't have to spell that one out for you.
That all you gonna say? Or are you going to actually bring forth something substantial because right now you have nothing.
Based on nothing but your biased interpretation.
Lol Don't be mad, that's your logic down there.
Not according to your logic.
Yes it is & you still have nothing to prove otherwise.
Hahaha, done yet? All I see is concession after concession. You still haven't proven anything to me. Tears must be pretty salty bro.
Read the f*cking manga for god's sake, she was in the
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she was in when sakura hit her. Don't make yourself out to look like a bigger fool then you already have, the hole is just going to get deeper from here.
Lol Pathetic plebeian, can't even form a decent rebuttal yet I'm the retard, joke of the week.
Lol What the actual f*ck are you talking about? Kakashi can't use intangibility to move faster even w/ both eyes, honestly I've seen some morons distort the mechanics behind kamui quite a bit, but I gotta say - this one definitely takes the cake.
Yup, retard alert, message to anyone w/ at least half a brain. DO NOT take this guy seriously.
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Don't see a single thing mentioned about kamui being used to move or make kakashi faster, merely that intangibility is used along side a regular raikiri. This point is empty, he had his regular traveling speed.
Absolutely irrelevant to everything & anything I said.
Welp then that means a rikudou enhanced 3T kakashi is on rinnegan sasuke's level of footspeed, & sakura has > striking speed than him as well since kamui did nothing to propel kakashi forward, I think I'm gonna sig that one.
Yes you are, & at a disgusting pace might I add. I recommend you slow down before getting hurt.
I suggest you do the same thing, & how about you actually READ this time?
It also gives the user greater levels of insight allowing them to see though transformation jutsu. Yet she fell for it. There's also her not being able to identify obito and sakura(mistaking them for naruto's clones) despite her "greater field of vision" So yeah. Don't hand wave 1 PIS and Not the other.
1. Have we seen the byakugan see through rikudou enhanced transformation jutsus? That's like saying all EMS users can see through mokuton clones since madara showed us he could.
2. Still completely irrelevant to the fact that a 3rd mass of chakra was falling towards her. Mixing up naruto & sasuke's chakra signatures doesn't mean she won't be able to notice a much slower opponent falling above her.
3. Only ever remembering byakugan seeing through transformation jutsus in the anime, if you have the scan then I'd be more than happy to check it out.
There's also her not being able to identify obito and sakura(mistaking them for naruto's clones) despite her "greater field of vision"
Based on the fact that she was once the progenitor of all chakra, mastered her 3rd eye, & lived her whole life w/ the eyes then it's not unlikely to say it's anything similar to a gennin neji's [50m]. Hell even 5m is more than enough range to notice sakura & avoid her, if she was as slow as she's supposed to be anyways.
Kakashi has Obito's best ability why unfortunately Obito got nerfed and lost his intangibility. Obito could still probably warp around like Madara could but I don't see too much use for it outside of evasion. I'm not sure if Preta Path would be any useful against Kakashi. Kakashi wins unless Obtio can somehow outlast Kakashi since he has more Shinju chakra.
1. Have we seen the byakugan see through rikudou enhanced transformation jutsus? That's like saying all EMS users can see through mokuton clones since madara showed us he could.
2. Still completely irrelevant to the fact that a 3rd mass of chakra was falling towards her. Mixing up naruto & sasuke's chakra signatures doesn't mean she won't be able to notice a much slower opponent falling above her.
3. Only ever remembering byakugan seeing through transformation jutsus in the anime, if you have the scan then I'd be more than happy to check it out.
She still sensed them, & she didn't even have her
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at that time.
I Didn't wave anything off, I'm only going off of what the manga shows me.
Based on the fact that she was once the progenitor of all chakra, mastered her 3rd eye, & lived her whole life w/ the eyes then it's not unlikely to say it's anything similar to a gennin neji's [50m]. Hell even 5m is more than enough range to notice sakura & avoid her, if she was as slow as she's supposed to be anyways.
1. What? Dude its still basic transformation jutsu. Don't compare it to clones let alone wood clones.
2. Her mixing up naruto and Sasuke's signatures is proof enough she can overlook a signature.
3. Common sense. The chakra network dosen't change, the chakra color wouldn't change either. The only change is apperance.
All that means is her sensory skills is crap if she can't identify the different chakra and mistaked them for naruto's despite the huge difference in size, signature and potencecy .
Speculation and sakura was well above 5m let alone 50 from her location. Kakashi's susanoo didn't move once he left it, and after kakashi hit kaguya based on her hair she was falling.
Ot: kakashi wins. Mid high, if we're disregarding the whole "immortality juubi jin crap".
Basic transformation jutsu used by someone w/ half of hagoromo's chakra. & No I'm not comparing it to clones I'm comparing the logic. Madara can see through wood clones, meaning there's proof that he can do it unlike w/ other sharingan users. Same case here, not only is kaguya's byakugan nothing special, but there's no proof that anything can see through a transformation jutsus performed by rikudou enhanced naruto & sasuke.
2. Her mixing up naruto and Sasuke's signatures is proof enough she can overlook a signature.
No it's not. It's proof that either their signatures were concealed by the transformation or that she was focusing on the fighters themselves & not their signatures. Either way, doesn't prove that kaguya would miss a slow moving mass of chakra appearing from above her head.
3. Common sense. The chakra network dosen't change, the chakra color wouldn't change either. The only change is apperance.
This isn't evidence though, I asked for a scan, not what you think is common sense. How do you know the transformation jutsu doesn't conceal the user's signature from a byakugan user?
All that means is her sensory skills is crap if she can't identify the different chakra and mistaked them for naruto's despite the huge difference in size, signature and potencecy .
This still doesn't prove that her sensing is so bad that she would fail to notice a mass of chakra moving slower than any character she's fought in the manga. & You still don't know if the transformation jutsu used by naruto & sasuke didn't also conceal their signatures as well.
Again, like lord of akatsuki you're making excuses here, how do you know that kaguya's eyesight isn't crap? Therefore she couldn't see kakashi attack him in time?
If you have proof that a mass of chakra can move w/o kaguya noticing then you'd have an argument. Mixing up chakra signatures or not focusing on such a detail during battle doesn't prove that she'd miss sakura, especially when there's no concrete evidence behind the byakugan even picking it up.
Doesn't matter, my speculation holds more weight than yours. It's more likely for kaguya to have an average range w/ the byakugan than no range at all. & She'd have to literally have no range in order to miss sakura.
And sakura was well above 5m let alone 50 from her location.
Not my point, she still has to reach her. Even if sakura is merely 5m away the point is that kaguya can still dodge because she has 5m worth of time. Sakura is a turtle in comparison here, even 1m is enough for kaguya to notice & react to sakura for pete's sake.
Kakashi's susanoo didn't move once he left it, and after kakashi hit kaguya based on her hair she was falling.
Irrelevant, she had to wind back her fist in order to strike, unless you believe that sasuke has a slower striking speed than sakura then she shouldn't have hit her.
The byakugan's main ability is to extend the user's field of vision, she had it activated, meaning her vision was extended. Sakura dropping down on her doesn't = using a transformation jutsu so It wouldn't be relevant.
Lol, the Byakugan does have a weak spot right behind the neck. The range of that weak spot gets smaller the closer one get's to it, but not once did Kaguya see Sakura, don't know about you, but that's a pretty piss pour Byakugan.
The Byakugan also gives the user the ability to see through Transformation Jutsu, yet she didn't see through it.
She wasn't in a weakened state, she was
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she was in when kakashi hit her. Kamui raikiri didn't slow down her reactions, so nothing changed.
Omg, you using a fanmade site now???
Yet she didn't see her, not once, otherwise she would've dodged.
Again, irrelevant. all she did to avoid them was fly up, all she had to do to dodge a much slower sakura was fly forward or backwards. Nothing changed, just because they were about to touch her doesn't mean she was unable to dodge sakura.
Yup, they are. Unfortunately the circumstances in both sakura's & kakashi's cases were the same. All you're doing is making excuses as to why she was unable tot dodge yet that doesn't excuse anything. Kaguya could've dodged sakura's punch but didn't. Same case w/ kakashi, end of story.
Yet Kaguya didn't even know Sakura was there, otherwise she would've dodged, sorry, but there is no way in hell someone who is as ridiculously fast as Kaguya is can get blitzed by Sakura, sorry, but it just makes no sense an is ridiculous, that's why it's PIS.
No, Kakashi was literately right in front of her from a fair bit, the next second he had passed through her and she'd already been hit, whereas Sakura was right behind her, and punched her when Kaguya wasn't looking at her, there's a difference.
Smh, talk about utter ****ing stupidity. Please stop reaching towards shit that isn't there.
As I said, irrelevant.
That's an ability that comes w/ the byakugan upon activation, so yes she did see all around her. Not to mention that claiming she's sh*t w/ the byakugan when she's the original wielder is the epitome of reaching, you expect me to take you seriously w/ those kinds of claims? Lol Nty. Explain why she was better at wielding her 3rd eye when she never even grew up w/ it, then I might take you seriously.
And yet she didn't see around her, otherwise she would've seen many things that happened, and would've known they were coming, yet she didn't.
Bullsh*t, she clearly has an exclamation mark indicating surprise
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, now unless she was surprised at the two people she was focusing on then your rebuttal is debunked. She not only noticed her but saw her w/ the abilities granted through her senses & byakugan's vision. Nothing indicates that she was only focusing on naruto & sasuke.
& In any case I can turn your very own logic against you, since you can't prove what kaguya was thinking then how do you know she was ready for kakashi's attack? How do you know she wasn't startled at the fact that kakashi can slip through objects? How do you know she thought he'd be able to hit her if she just saw him slipping through attacks?
See? I can make excuses too, you can't prove that kaguya was in the right mindset to dodge kakashi's attack, prove that she knew kakashi was going to cut through her, I can go on & on.
If she knew Sakura was behind her she would've dodged, your point is moot.
She'd just seen him pass through attacks, it doesn't matter, she was looking right at Kakashi, he was simply too fast for her.
Too bad that's not true.
So? Doesn't matter how close sakura is she doesn't have striking speed anywhere near speedsters. JJ madara knocked SM minato on his ass before he could strike him. Doesn't matter how close sakura was, the fact that kaguya got hit by her despite noticing her in the previous scan proves that she has the striking speed
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[according to your logic].
& This still doesn't prove that kaguya expected kakashi to cut through her anyways. Maybe she was going to tank the attack like she did w/ naruto's
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or
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? She didn't know that the bijuu chakra would react the way it did, so why on earth would she suddenly know how kamui raikiri works? See? Your argument holds no weight.
Lol, I guess Sakura is equal to an 8th Gate Gai then.
Lol what? Gai utterly destroyed Madara.
Lmfao he didn't
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until after he pierced madara's body, read the manga. Your rebuttal is again, the only moot thing here.
Utterly idiotic? Laughable, when I make claims such as "DMS Kakashi >= Rinnegan Sasuke in foot/striking speed" then you can call my claims idiotic, until then take the petty insults elsewhere.
Obito still had residue from being a Jin, that's what I said, lmao.
Yes you are.
Yet feats clearly show Kakashi is faster than Sasuke's foot/striking speed.
& Here we have someone who doesn't know how to read my responses... How about you read, then you'd see in the brackets I mentioned that having a cloak means his original reserves are filled. You can't fill a cup halfway with one liquid, overflow it w/ another, then take that overflow away & expect the cup to only be half full again. Makes no sense, kakashi's chakra was filled, only the cloak which granted extra chakra dissipated.
Doesn't matter how he looked, it's called battle damage. No excessive panting/sweating or falling over = no fatigue large enough to hinder one's performance drastically. Take in how many times obito uses kamui throughout all of his fights [literally wouldn't be able to count them all]. Take in the fact that he controlled 6 bijuu, 5 simultaneously, & the juubi on top of that.
Kakashi got a refill multiple times throughout his fights w/ obito, obito didn't get a single one. Nothing suggests that kakashi was that much more tired than obito during that fight especially when obito was
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when he actually was running on empty.
Lol Sig worthy, truly. I guess that's why a kakashi
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due to lack of chakra easily
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to land hits on obito once he gained a refill? There's more examples but they really aren't needed. It's a well-known fact that less chakra = more fatigued & more chakra = less fatigued, shouldn't have to spell that one out for you.
Oh god, I think I'm just about to have an aneurysm because of your sheer stupidity.
I guess when Naruto had refills from the Kyubi that he wasn't tired anymore because obviously suddenly having a chakra refill equates being fully rejuvenated.
Kakashi was fighting for an entire day, he'd barely had any rest but could still take on V2 Jins, fight Obito, fight Obito some more, and yet again, fight some more.
Gosh, your annoying.
Lol What the actual f*ck are you talking about? Kakashi can't use intangibility to move faster even w/ both eyes, honestly I've seen some morons distort the mechanics behind kamui quite a bit, but I gotta say - this one definitely takes the cake.
Yup, retard alert, message to anyone w/ at least half a brain. DO NOT take this guy seriously.
DB Entry of kamui raikiri.
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Don't see a single thing mentioned about kamui being used to move or make kakashi faster, merely that intangibility is used along side a regular raikiri. This point is empty, he had his regular traveling speed.
Absolutely irrelevant to everything & anything I said.
Welp then that means a rikudou enhanced 3T kakashi is on rinnegan sasuke's level of footspeed, & sakura has > striking speed than him as well since kamui did nothing to propel kakashi forward, I think I'm gonna sig that one.
Lol, what the actual ****? You didn't even read my post right.
Lol, what I said, was that with both eyes, Kakashi can become intangible, can place vortexes behind his enemies by using the long range Kamui, than he can go to the Kamui dimension, and appear out the other end, that's what I meant by 'dimensional shifting.'
Not once did I ever state that Kamui Raikiri makes him faster, your the retarded one considering you can't even read properly.
Yes, indeed, Kakashi can stay intangible as he goes through his enemy and his Kamui Rakiri will hit them for him.
