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Um, dude, she was looking right at him.
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Both her and Zetsu were staring at Kakashi.
That's what the look of shock is for as she looks on with her Byakugan at him.
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Both her and Zetsu were staring at Kakashi.
That's what the look of shock is for as she looks on with her Byakugan at him.
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, she shot her bones from her back into the air and was
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she faced upward. Black Zestu was on the floor looking above.
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I figured the reason Kakashi needed the Sharingan for Raikiri was because Raikiri would increase his speed to the point where he wouldn't be able to perceive his surroundings or something like that. So I did think that Kamui Raikiri increased his speed. Not because of Kamui but because of Raikiri.
Or did I misunderstand the whole Raikiri/Sharingan thing?
I still considered Sasuke to be faster. I had thought that Kaguya did see Kakashi but was shocked that her Ash Bones weren't hitting...
As for the Sakura part...I can't think of an excuse....Byakugan and Sensing. Even if Sasuke could melt the ice in her dimension it would've atleast held them for a few seconds...Sakura included.
My guess is that she panicked due to the seals. Up to the point were she didn't really pay attention. Kinda like how sometimes people don't pay attention to what's right infront of them.
She had less chakra so her speed was lowered as well but I still think she could've avoided Sakura...
Either that or "Plot".
Or did I misunderstand the whole Raikiri/Sharingan thing?
I still considered Sasuke to be faster. I had thought that Kaguya did see Kakashi but was shocked that her Ash Bones weren't hitting...
As for the Sakura part...I can't think of an excuse....Byakugan and Sensing. Even if Sasuke could melt the ice in her dimension it would've atleast held them for a few seconds...Sakura included.
My guess is that she panicked due to the seals. Up to the point were she didn't really pay attention. Kinda like how sometimes people don't pay attention to what's right infront of them.
She had less chakra so her speed was lowered as well but I still think she could've avoided Sakura...
Either that or "Plot".
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No, she was looking right at him.
That's what the look of shock is for as she looks on with her Byakugan at him.
Her face wasn't looking up, if it was it's because she just got ran through by Kamui Raikiri.
If you look at the first scan her head is looking in front of her, but when you look at the second scan it looked like her head was pushed back.
No the speed needed to use chidori and the fact that you run in a straight line creates tunnel vision where you cant see anything coming at you from the side so an opponent can easily counter attack, sharingan precog fixed that though.
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If she was starring at Kakashi then he would be faster. But she was not starring at him.
What look of shock?
Kakashi goes
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, Kaguya never looks up at him she continues to look at Naruto and Sasuke who are straight in front of her. Looking straight ahead she shoots ash bones from her back up at Kakashi who is coming down on her. She thinks the ash bones killed Kakashi and doesnt realize he is still coming at her, Kakashi was fast in the fact that her sensing couldnt keep up.She didnt see him. She was looking straight ahead at Naruto and Sasuke.
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The exclamation marks on top of her head means that she was shocked.PawsX;18961788 What look of shock? Kakashi goes [URL="http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/689/10/" said:
No, Sasuke and Naruto were on different sides of her, she was looking right up at Kakashi. Her eyes were 'arched' upwards looking up at where Kakashi is.
The look of shock, details that she knew he survived her Shikotsumyaku.
Black Zestu was shocked, Kaguya had no facial expression that would show she was shocked. If she was truly shocked to the point where she couldnt react then that would have been shown.
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of her. They later went to her sides after Kakashi used Kamui Raikiri on her.
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No, it was the both of them that were shocked, they both had exclamation marks.
And no, that had nothing to do with Kakashi blitzing her.
Look at that again, it clearly shows Naruto and Sasuke at her right and left, they were already going at her sides.
Kaguya's eyes were arched up looking at Kakashi.
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Thank you for clearing it up. I guess I was wrong about Raikiri increasing speed.
About your second point though, Kaguya wasn't facing Kakashi when she shot those Ash Bones at him. That much I agree with but Kaguya has a 360 degree field of vision through her Byakugan. Don't you think that's what allowed her to shoot that Ash Bone directly at him despite not facing him? Since she would still be able to see him either way.
The page also shows the exclamation marks by Kaguya right after the Ash Bone went through him. I figured she was still looking at Kakashi with her Byakugan and was surprised to see it go through him...
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Has a lot to do with Chakra potency, Base speed, and Chakra control. All of which Sasuke far outclass Kakashi in.
His Kamui Raikiri feat isn't even a valid speed feat imo, it was a phasing attack that allowed Kakashi to strike Kaguya without being harmed. Had absolutely nothing to do with speed (I know you really weren't arguing this, but I might as well post it while im replying)
His Kamui Raikiri feat isn't even a valid speed feat imo, it was a phasing attack that allowed Kakashi to strike Kaguya without being harmed. Had absolutely nothing to do with speed (I know you really weren't arguing this, but I might as well post it while im replying)
I disagree. The more chakra one has, the faster they get. The more chakra Naruto's cloak leaks out, the faster he gets (
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) whereas before he got the cloak, the same chakra didn't provide him much of a boost (
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so Sasuke having a lot more Rikudo chakra than Kakashi should also give him better speed. Not to mention Yin seal Sakura's speed feats take a major dump on Pre Yin seal Sakura's. More chakra = greater speed.I dont think so. They both received the same quality of chakra, the sage's chakra, whether one recieved more shouldn't matter. As Naruto uses more of the Kyuubi's chakra, its get more and more powerful, the more tails used the darker and more dangerous his chakra gets, the 1 tails didnt do any damage to his body but by the 4th tails his skin was peeling off. I would say the quality of the Kyuubi's chakra changes with more tails.
Yes bad comparison on my part. No idea where I was going there.
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Nope. Obito got a portion of his from Madara. Are you saying that Obito's chakra is as strong as JJ Madara's, which is stronger than Juubito's? Are you saying that both have chakra strength equal to Hagoromo? Are you saying that Madara w/o Juubi=Madara w/ Juubi in chakra strength despite the latter having greater buffs? Because he also had Rikudo's Chakra.
I doubt that Kinkaku and Ginkaku's chakra is as strong as Kyuubi Mode Naruto's.
Then there's what DA said. Chakra strength isn't the only factor.
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Sakura hit Kaguya because Kaguya didn't notice she was there, not the same thing Kakashi did, who jumped from his susano and speedblitzed Kaguya. Saying Kaguya was distracted because the atack just slipped trough Kakashi is a lame argument. She was distracted by the fact that Sasuke could teleport next to her when they were about to seal her but she still reacted and jumped out of the way (there's when Sakura's punch comes).
DMS Kakashi speedblitzed Kaguya and its a fact. DMS Kakashi's foot speed is really close to sasuke's.
Before becoming a huge rabbit, Kaguya dodged sasuke (who even used an ST jutsu) several times. We are gonna call that Kaguya the WEAK KAGUYA, on the other way, we are gonna call the powered up after rabbit mode Kaguya the STRONG KAGUYA.
(Here's the scan that proofs Kaguya got a lot stronger after becominga rabbit)
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"Her strenght and speed are nothing compared to before"
So, Weak kaguya dodged sasuke's atacks (foot speed and ST atacks) several times, while Strong Kaguya couldn't react to kakashi's speed.
And dont come with that BS about she being distracted.
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If you put your assumptions , speculations and opinions over the manga 's feats ,then you really need to stop posting .
God ,sakura!!? Lol how pathetic you are !! You using sakura part is just a concession from you that kakashi feats surpasses sasuke's and that you can't find a single feat for sasuke that can even rival kakashi's ,so it is either you show us sasuke feats that can rival kakashi's and stop talking about sakura ,or just accept the manga like it is and stop calling me fapboy ,I amont even gonna bother talking about sakura and I don't have to,mentioning sakura here shows how weak your argument is ,we are comparing between kakashi 's feats and sasuke's ,no need to mention sakura here Lol ,what I have is a clear scan of kakashi reacting physically to powered up offensive kaguya whose speed was hyped a panel before ,he charged her back and land his attack without her being able to even prepare an attack on him .
So I would ask you a question ,can you dare to say that kakashi didn't easily react physically to powered up kaguya charging him offensively and didn't charge her back and land his attack ? Whether your answer is yes i can or no i cant The argument here should be over ,if you answered yes I can ,then I am not gonna bother arguing with someone lives in denial and contradicts manga's clear scans.if you said no I can't then that is all what I am saying and then no need to debate here.
I suppose you mean
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by saying reacting as fast as KCM Naruto and matching his regular movements speed ,but by somehow I cant use scans like
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to say that kakashi reacted and moved his arm as fast as kcm minato ,or use a scan like
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(the panel in the bottom) to say that kakashi matched naruto's regular movements speed .I ask you a question ,can you dare to say that kakashi didnt react as fast as kcm minato in the scan above ?whether you said yes i can or no i cant ,this argument should be over here,just like above
When did sasuke react as fast as kcm minato ?when did he match naruto speed against JJ obito ?
The guy who created a logic that leads to the conclusion that rinne sasuke's ribcage is nearly as strong as his PS(but for me stoping you and learn you how human think) is talking about smartness nowLol
jiubi chakra was portrayed to be the most powerfull bar kaguya's ,whatever i drop this point though thier PS speed feats indicate that the gap in thier boost is nowhere as you think
Your problem is that when you are gonna compare between kakashi and sasuke ,you follow this steps ,consider all sasuke's feats ,ignore all kakashi's high feats ,then come to conclusion that EMS sasuke's reaction and speed are way better than kakashi's ,not only that but exepct me to say yes i agree .you are delusional
it isnt my problem that you have difficulty in accepting kakashi's feats
Get off your high horse KG.
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KidGamer65
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Manga has no conclusive feat that'd put Kakashi above Naruto and Sasuke speed.
Lol. This whole paragraph and you literally didn't address anything. Sakura did the same thing. Guess Sakura=Kakashi>Sasuke in speed now. Concession accepted fapboy. If Kakashi blitzed Kaguya, then Sakura did too.
He didn't react to Kaguya as he made no move of her own, period. He only cut her after phasing through her ash bone attack. Him landing an attack only means that he landed an attack. Why she didn't bother to counter is left up to interpretation. Your interpretation, sadly, is pure garbage and makes zero sense.
That's a battle scenario. The Kakashi nonsense isn't. Then there's the fact that scan only references movement speed. Reaction speed is something another scan perfectly illustrates. Lmao. I hate Kakashi fapboys.
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Sasuke uses Susanoo and Shunshns in front of Naruto before Minato can use Hiraishin.
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I'm still waiting for real proof and not your annoying bitching.
Kakashi has no feat that'd make him as fast as EMS Sasuke. When he can react to Obito, then we can talk. When he displays Shunshin feats on Sasuke's level, then we can talk. When he can actually legit blitz Kaguya, then we can talk. You are crying about accepting feats, but you are ignoring Sakura's feat and giving it to Kakashi because you want to slurp on the guy's picture on your screen. Either you admit Sakura can blitz Kaugya, or you stfu and drop your shitty argument. That simple.