Just a little clarification.. Kirin > Preta Path

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Kirin beats Preta Path, but it still has chakra in it. It's just that the majority of the technique is made of natural lightning.

However, I can't see how this is relevant.

Shinra Tensei would repel it.
 

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Shinra Tensei>Kirin though lol

I agree but apparently we need feats of nagato reacting to something as fast as lightning to prove this

*cough* Kidgamer *Cough* ;P
 

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Yeah, I agree. :win:
 

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Twedros stop playing the fanboy. Absorbing all Ninjutsu is just hyperbole and can't be true since anything what isn't Gen- and Taijutsu is Ninjutsu, whether pure Chakra based attacks, Kitsuchi's ability to dig out rocks of mountain size to bruise the target, summoning technique or Kakashi's Kamui that creates a dimensional hole warping away a target. It's not about to insist on the mere hype but rather on the description of the technique. Preta-Path absorbs chakra, that's how it works and Kirin is not Chakra, it is real lightning that is led by Sasuke to a certain location or target and as Zetsu stated that technique isn't used with Sasuke's Chakra, it's real lightning and thus, Preta-Path can't absorb it.

Zetsu: "He's not using his own Chakra energy... he's using the energy of the vast atmosphere itself."
Sasuke: "My role is simply to guide that power to you."

If Nagato can't absorb lightning, he can't absorb Kirin.

But if you want to argue about the statements of the official databook: The official databook states that any technique loses its effect before the Yata mirror, the gods power. So going by hyperbole, it doesn't play a matter whether it's the TBB of the complete Juubi, Chibaku Tensei or whatever the Sage of the six paths has to offer. No matter what you will try to explain and prove, the official databook > any of your words, stating that Yata > any powers. To quote your words, go and write a letter to Kishi if you're butthurt because of what the official databook says. lmao.

Contradicting what is said about the shield while insisting on what is said about Preta-Path is simply biased.

Kirin > Preta-Path, fact.
 
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@ Strict Is Kirin a ninjutsu?
Does preta path absorb all ninjutsu ?

Your effectively arguing with kishimoto but ill humor you... do murderous blue dragons with a moustache consist as natural lightening ?

The answer is No its being manipulated by Sasuke using chakra very minimal but still chakra the category ninjutsu tells you itself it has chakra inside of it so thats not arguable unless your fanboying.

Preta path would absorb it but in what way is a different debate

Zetsu called itachi invincible yet hes been damaged by kabuto and probably nagato with that huge shinra tensei.

The Yata mirror is a itachi fanboys dream but it does not make itachi able to counter any technique due to it not covering all of susanno where as preta path description says all ninjutsu which is self explanatory.
 
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Actually i have a question/theory .. If Kirin Is just lightning then it can be conducted right? ..All A pain has too do is Hold Up one of the chakra rods, Containing the lightning yest it may badly electrocute the pain who held it up, but their corpses so shocking them( no matter how bad a shock it may be) May put the pain down, If it does .. it still only takes down one pain compared to taking out all, ..However Im not sure if it would simply explode upon impact with the rod anyways ..
 

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The Yata mirror is a itachi fanboys dream but it does not make itachi able to counter any technique due to it not covering all of susanno where as preta path description says all ninjutsu which is self explanatory.
You make exceptions for the Yata mirror while saying that Preta-Path's description is self explanatory, though Preta-Path is said to absorb all Ninjutsu like Yata (canonically being able to change its form and cover Susanoo in the Manga) is said to render all techniques and powers useless. Is Chibaku Tensei a technique? Is Chou Shinra Tensei a technique? Do you disagree with the official databook? Then write a latter to Kishi. But if you disagree that means it has to be disagreed with Preta-Path as well because you can't contradict with one statement while fully insist on the other.
 

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I guess it's true.... Preta Path can't absorb lightning I guess.... =D =D
 

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You make exceptions for the Yata mirror while saying that Preta-Path's description is self explanatory, though Preta-Path is said to absorb all Ninjutsu like Yata (canonically being able to change its form and cover Susanoo in the Manga) is said to render all techniques and powers useless. Is Chibaku Tensei a technique? Is Chou Shinra Tensei a technique? Do you disagree with the official databook? Then write a latter to Kishi. But if you disagree that means it has to be disagreed with Preta-Path as well because you can't contradict with one statement while fully insist on the other.

Strict, Kira The Moronic is clearly a troll. Ignore this idiocy, it is below you.
 

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It's a shame because he's actually serious when saying Nagato would beat Hashirama or even Edo Madara.

Idiocy/ignorance cannot be cured if the person does not bend to the superior reasoning of another. Just relax and laugh, since it is quite amusing when people believe such silly things.
 

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Careful now, you're showing your butthurt. :happy:

Kirin is actual lightning, guided and manipulated by chakra. That is what labels it a ninjutsu. Kirin is not composed of chakra itself, meaning it cannot be absorbed by Preta Path. Preta Path absorbs chakra, and MOST ninjutsu not all ninjutsu. You are the only one that doesn't seem to understand this. <(-.-<) Why is that ?

Please refer to my thread


And you're wrong it states all ninjutsu
 

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This may be irrelevent, but Shinra Tensei can still repel it even through Preta won't work, if sick Itachi put up Yata in time to block than Shinra Tensei can definitely be cast
 

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If Sauske needs his chakara to guide the lightning though...couldn't the preta path take away that ability? Thus making a storm that becomes dangerous to everyone involved?
 

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You make exceptions for the Yata mirror while saying that Preta-Path's description is self explanatory, though Preta-Path is said to absorb all Ninjutsu like Yata (canonically being able to change its form and cover Susanoo in the Manga) is said to render all techniques and powers useless. Is Chibaku Tensei a technique? Is Chou Shinra Tensei a technique? Do you disagree with the official databook? Then write a latter to Kishi. But if you disagree that means it has to be disagreed with Preta-Path as well because you can't contradict with one statement while fully insist on the other.
Yata mirror does not cover all of susanno the mirror counters all technique not susanno unless your really fanboying that hard

Madara cannot counter a celestial tera blast with what we have seen.
Neither can Hashirama from what we have seen
Strict, Kira The Moronic is clearly a troll. Ignore this idiocy, it is below you.
grow up
 

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Logicaly, yes.
In the manga however, Itachi can never lose a fight he wants to win, and Kirin can be absorbed.
 

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Yata mirror does not cover all of susanno the mirror counters all technique not susanno unless your really fanboying that hard
The Manga and databook disagree. Latter says that the shield hasn't a physical form and in the Manga, the shield changed its form to cover the whole front and sides of Susanoo and grew over Susanoo's head. Databook and Manga > Your bias.
Madara cannot counter a celestial tera blast with what we have seen.
Neither can Hashirama from what we have seen
Hachibi's TBB, a Rasenshuriken and Magatama's completely annihilated Chibaku Tensei while it canonically had the size of one mountain. The perfect Susanoo can destroy a mountain range with one blow and can use multiple swords to attack right after the sphere starts to attract the surroundings. Plus, Madara can use the six path's in canon:


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So he can use Deva-Path and if this is the case he can use Chibaku Tensei and isn't affected by Nagato's. Unless you want to disagree with what the Manga says but in this case your bias would reach its climax. Plus, the Manga says that you can control the Gedo Mazo only perfectly if you possess both Uchiha and Senju DNA, Madara possesses them both and the Rinnegan, he was the first to summon the Mazou by breaking the seal. It's also canon that one doesn't gain Uchiha DNA if getting the eyes of an Uchiha so Nagato lacks the DNA unless you want to disagree with the Manga again. Furthermore, Madara is able to summon the Kyuubi and fully control it while using the perfect Susanoo. Also, he uses Mokuton on the scale of Hashirama in his base, can use Uchiha Kinjutsu and Izanagi. As an Edo, he has unlimited Chakra and immortality as well. Madara with the techniques we know he can use would destroy Nagato no diff. Shinsuusenju that towers several mountains and can pummel a mountain range > Chibaku Tensei.

OT: Preta Path won't absorb Kirin if you consider the actual description of Preta-Path instead of only insisting on the hype. Because by hype, all attacks lose their effect in front of the Yata mirror. Fanboy.
 
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The Manga and databook disagree. Latter says that the shield hasn't a physical form and in the Manga, the shield changed its form to cover the whole front and sides of Susanoo and grew over Susanoo's head. Databook and Manga > Your bias.

Hachibi's TBB, a Rasenshuriken and Magatama's completely annihilated Chibaku Tensei while it canonically had the size of one mountain. The perfect Susanoo can destroy a mountain range with one blow and can use multiple swords to attack right after the sphere starts to attract the surroundings. Plus, Madara can use the six path's in canon:


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So he can use Deva-Path and if this is the case he can use Chibaku Tensei and isn't affected by Nagato's. Unless you want to disagree with what the Manga says but in this case your bias would reach its climax. Plus, the Manga says that you can control the Gedo Mazo only perfectly if you possess both Uchiha and Senju DNA, Madara possesses them both and the Rinnegan, he was the first to summon the Mazou by breaking the seal. It's also canon that one doesn't gain Uchiha DNA if getting the eyes of an Uchiha so Nagato lacks the DNA unless you want to disagree with the Manga again. Furthermore, Madara is able to summon the Kyuubi and fully control it while using the perfect Susanoo. Also, he uses Mokuton on the scale of Hashirama in his base, can use Uchiha Kinjutsu and Izanagi. As an Edo, he has unlimited Chakra and immortality as well. Madara with the techniques we know he can use would destroy Nagato no diff. Shinsuusenju that towers several mountains and can pummel a mountain range > Chibaku Tensei.

OT: Preta Path won't absorb Kirin if you consider the actual description of Preta-Path instead of only insisting on the hype. Because by hype, all attacks lose their effect in front of the Yata mirror. Fanboy.

We have not seen the shield change size drastically at all lol its properties refer to the shield itself and not the size seeing as vs karin it was still its regular size which was the biggest attack sasuke threw at him.

Perfect susanoo chopped the top of mountains you are indeed correct

This is chibaku tensei compared to the mountains the weaker version
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Madara said he taught his jutsu from rikodu senin that was izangai,Gedo Mazo and sealing techniques like he used vs the hachibi lets be honest considering that is the only real sage technique we have ever seen from him is izangi and he hasn't ever used rinnegan techniques like preta even when hes about to die.

Nagato summoned Gedo mazo and used it for hundreds of chapters you dont seem to get it even black zetsu(Madara) said hes the only one apart from Madara able to use the Gedo

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Preta path absorbs all ninjutsu

Karin is stated as ninjutsu

It is literally as simple as that not fanboying because any preta path user would not let sasuke stand there charging it but it has to be said
 
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