[Discussion] Jozu and Ace vs. Doflamingo and Vergo

[Uzumaki Macho]

Of course he got out of the war with no injures he avoided fighting and in the oris plaza he was just ****ing around, does that actually mean DOflamingo>Wb, Akainu, because both of them got injured and dofla didnt.

Official: Doflamingo > WB.

U heard it here first.

No because Doflamingo never went up against the admiral level fighters. But he still fought Jozu and Croc and received no injuries, which is pretty impressive.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I love how the OP takes it Doflamingo>Jozu just because he was able to restrain him while jozu was off guard, we even saw jozu hit an aokiji when he was off guard fighting WB, DOflamingo has a shit for feats, the only thing he has ever done throughout the manga is taking on some high tiers and on the other side shit his pants from fujitora and run with his tail between his legs from aokiji, well I cant blame him he would get stomped by aokiji, while Jozu fought serious admirals during the war, while doffy shits his pants from fuji even though he knows that he has protection, the thinking that someone as strong as admiral can turn against doffy was enough to make him shit his pants, if WB's second strongest man is weaker than dofla than we had Mihaw,Akainu,Aokiji,Kizaru,Sengoku,Garp vs WB,Marco I would like to ask if u think dofla would be able to give any diff to WB, if someone actually thinks someone like doffy can give a diff fight against WB then he is a lost cause.

OT: Team 1 mid diff. Jozu wrecks them pretty easy, Vergo is a non factor against jozu, while ace is a factor against dofla, the only serious time we saw him fight was teach and sakazuki, though if dofla fought sakazuki he would get the same fodder treatment.

Who said he couldn't? He didn't appear to be in discomfort at all when Doflamingo stopped him. Later on we see him unscathed despite being caught by Crocodile's sables, implying he broke free and dodged the attack. And it's easy to emerge with no injuries when you fight fodders. His greatest feat in the war was cuting Oz's limb who was already heavily injured by Kuma

Bellamy already predicted in Mocktown that Luffy/Zoro will get to his position eventually and coincidently, Bellamy is there at the moment. Be prepared for Doflamingo's call-back when his defeat will arrive:

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You guys keep on saying that Doffy caught Jozu off-guard, so he wouldn't be able to catch him in this match-up. What's stopping Doflamingo from simply using Black Knight and having it distract Jozu. Doflamingo can have his clone rush at Jozu, and while Jozu mows down the clone, restrain him the same he restrained him while Jozu's attention was on Crocodile.

Also, if Jozu could have broken out of Doflamingo's hold, why didn't he? This wasn't at some kiddy get together, this was at a war for the sake of his nakama's life, why would Jozu play around and just let himself remain ensnared while his nakama were viciously fighting and some were losing their lives and Ace was under constant threat of being executed? You think any of the Whitebeard Pirates were in the mood for playing games?


As for Jozu and Doflamingo being frozen, here we see Jozu being frozen[

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In Jozu's case, Kuzan created enough ice to freeze just Jozu. The surrounding area was unfrozen, and Kuzan had less ice on his body than he did when he froze Doflamingo, as almost half of his face and his entire shoulder are covered in ice. Not only that, but as seen here[

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], the ice spreads vastly further than it did when Kuzan used this move on Jozu, showing that the output of power he used on Doflamingo was higher than the output of power he used on Jozu, as no effort from Kuzan can be seen in either case, but Doflamingo's case has far more ice created. This shows that the level Kuzan used on Doflamingo was higher than the level Kuzan used on Jozu, and Jozu was unable to break out of that, while Doflamingo could break out and catch his breath shortly afterwards.

As for your argument that because Jozu wasn't harmed from Sables, that's because Sables doesn't always do damage. Crocodile protected Jinbei and Luffy by sending them flying into the air with Sables, and no further damage was done to them by the Sables.[

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Buggy wasn't injured either and tbh from an OPV point of view Buggy has more hype than Dofy

Buggy>Jozu and Ace

Not true. Buggy was injured by Mihawk and avoided the battefield, staying off to the side.

I'd still like to see you counter my rebuttal towards Doflamingo losing because he's a Shichibukai when they are commanders when one of the commanders looks at Mihawk, a Shichibukai, as his superior.

 

[Olorin]

I'd still like to see you counter my rebuttal towards Doflamingo losing because he's a Shichibukai when they are commanders when one of the commanders looks at Mihawk, a Shichibukai, as his superior.

I can't counter it because I haven't read it, ever since Rinnemaki left I just don't bother with reading the VS argument, I just don't try anymore, I have my opinion you have yours and I don't really care XD

at the end one uf us is wrong and the other one is right, we'll probably never know, I know that I am right in some VS arguments and wrong in others, just like almost everyone else ... except Oda and people who guessed them all right by pure luck

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Jozu track record

- Whitebeard, Jozu and Marco were the most feared one before and during that war on the Whitebeard and ally side
- Could block Mihawk's air slash aimed at the world strongest man in the world
- Jozu could fight admiral level fighters(Kuzan) for a while in a standstil and Oda needed to create a distraction to defeat him

Doflamingo track record

- Barely breaks out of a low level attack from an admiral(Kuzan) casted hands in his pockets to the point he barely manage to hold his breath
- Shit his pants against a yonkou(Kaido)
- Fear an admiral's strength only testing his powers
- Even with his entire family admits not to be sure to defeat an admiral
- First real antagonist of the new world about to be defeated by a previous rookie pirate

Lol Jozu couldn't even break out of that while Mingo could.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I can't counter it because I haven't read it, ever since Rinnemaki left I just don't bother with reading the VS argument, I just don't try anymore, I have my opinion you have yours and I don't really care XD

at the end one uf us is wrong and the other one is right, we'll probably never know, I know that I am right in some VS arguments and wrong in others, just like almost everyone else ... except Oda and people who guessed them all right by pure luck

Okay, so we have Algalon copping out, anyone else wanna continue this discussion? Hopefully someone who knows what a debate is and how to do it this time.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

I can't counter it because I haven't read it, ever since Rinnemaki left I just don't bother with reading the VS argument, I just don't try anymore, I have my opinion you have yours and I don't really care XD

at the end one uf us is wrong and the other one is right, we'll probably never know, I know that I am right in some VS arguments and wrong in others, just like almost everyone else ... except Oda and people who guessed them all right by pure luck

Because you just close your eyes and don't read anything that would suggest Ace isn't as strong as you think he is.

 

[Bogard]

Lol Jozu couldn't even break out of that while Mingo could.

Comparing a low level attack in a small scuffle to a higher end attack in an all-out fight during a war against a distracted man. Credible argument indeed

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Comparing a low level attack in a small scuffle to a higher end attack in an all-out fight during a war against a distracted man. Credible argument indeed

If anything the attack that froze Doffy was more powerful.

 

[Olorin]

Okay, so we have Algalon copping out, anyone else wanna continue this discussion? Hopefully someone who knows what a debate is and how to do it this time.

what a nice reply from you

how am I copping out? I wrote like 4 sentences in this thread, mostly sarcastic or only half serious, how was I ever a part of this debate?

 

[Bogard]

If anything the attack that froze Doffy was more powerful.

I won't say an attack casted hands in pockets is as strong let alone stronger than an attack casted when you have your hands full. The low level attack used on Doflamingo didn't even froze him through according to Bufalo. It was just a warning nothing much and it still took a lot on Doflamingo to break through. Jozu was fighting Kuzan during a while in the war, someone who uses ice attacks as a basis/standard. You really think that during all that while, a physical fighter than Jozu was never confronted in situations where he had to break through Kuzan's ice? Nope. Oda had to create a distraction for him to be stopped

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

I won't say an attack casted hands in pockets is as strong let alone stronger than an attack casted when you have your hands full. The low level attack used on Doflamingo didn't even froze him through according to Bufalo. It was just a warning nothing much and it still took a lot on Doflamingo to break through. Jozu was fighting Kuzan during a while in the war, someone who uses ice attacks as a basis/standard. You really think that during all that while, a physical fighter than Jozu was never confronted in situations where he had to break through Kuzan's ice? Nope. Oda had to create a distraction for him to be stopped

Oda also made Kuzan distracted so that Jozu could land a hit on him.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Comparing a low level attack in a small scuffle to a higher end attack in an all-out fight during a war against a distracted man. Credible argument indeed

So the attack that created far more ice than the attack on Jozu is a lower level? The sheer volume of ice created proves which wave was stronger. The attack used on Jozu also didn't freeze him through, as he was shown later with the only damage it being done was the loss of his arm. Besides, it's more likely that the method Doflamingo used to shatter ice is what caused the ice to not freeze completely through. There are indicators to the wave being used on Doflamingo being higher level than the wave used on Jozu, while nothing indicates the opposite whatsoever. You're just biasly seeing what you want to see.