[Discussion] Jozu and Ace vs. Doflamingo and Vergo

[Punk Hazard]

Doflamingo was next to Crocodile yes, but Jozu wasn't paying attention to him at all, so it's the same thing. Doflamingo cowardly put him in parasite when his attention wasn't on him, which makes it a sneak attack. And it's not like Doflamingo was significant threat for him. He knew he could kill them both anytime he wants.

Either way, this thread will become ridiculous when we'll get off of Dressrosa and realise Doflamingo isn't as strong as you people think. I suppose it's his arc at the moment, so he gets overhyped, but i won't even bother explaining in details why he is far weaker than Jozu. The manga will answer itself and you will feel like an idiot

It doesn't matter that Jozu's attention was on Crocodile. Doflamingo was able to stop Jozu before he got to the spot Crocodile was on. If Doflamingo was standing in that spot, the exact same thing would have happened. What would have happened if Jozu's focus was on Doflamingo, explain the difference that would make.

No the only person who should feel like an idiot is you. You walk into every OP thread, say something wrong, and then put down NB and the members that post here like you've got some kind of enlightened OP truth no one else does, when all you do is wrap shallow words and weak arguments around an "I don't need to elaborate and justify anything I say" because you can't, you just pull the first half-assed argument you can think of out your box of bullshit and try to skate by with it. You can list all the reasons you want as to how Jozu is superior in physical strength and stamina and durability and Haki but it means nothing when Doffy turns him into a large beetle in an escapable spider web. You call the OP section here a joke, but you're the biggest punch line I've seen since Jaden Smith.

 

[Olorin]

A shichibukai and one of his underlings can take out the 3rd and 4th most powerful of the WB pirates and that is why no one at MF was worried at all when WB and his guys arrived

 

[Bogard]

It doesn't matter that Jozu's attention was on Crocodile. Doflamingo was able to stop Jozu before he got to the spot Crocodile was on. If Doflamingo was standing in that spot, the exact same thing would have happened. What would have happened if Jozu's focus was on Doflamingo, explain the difference that would make.

No the only person who should feel like an idiot is you. You walk into every OP thread, say something wrong, and then put down NB and the members that post here like you've got some kind of enlightened OP truth no one else does, when all you do is wrap shallow words and weak arguments around an "I don't need to elaborate and justify anything I say" because you can't, you just pull the first half-assed argument you can think of out your box of bullshit and try to skate by with it. You can list all the reasons you want as to how Jozu is superior in physical strength and stamina and durability and Haki but it means nothing when Doffy turns him into a large beetle in an escapable spider web. You call the OP section here a joke, but you're the biggest punch line I've seen since Jaden Smith.

No i don't bother because it's useless to argue against a wall

A shichibukai and one of his underlings can take out the 3rd and 4th most powerful of the WB pirates and that is why no one at MF was worried at all when WB and his guys arrived

I know right Lol

 

[Punk Hazard]

No i don't bother because it's useless to argue against a wall

Seeing as how the wall is doing better than you, I agree.

By the way, arguing/debating works by going back and forth, not by everyone conforming to what you say.

 

[Bogard]

Jozu track record

- Whitebeard, Jozu and Marco were the most feared one before and during that war on the Whitebeard and ally side
- Could block Mihawk's air slash aimed at the world strongest man in the world
- Jozu could fight admiral level fighters(Kuzan) for a while in a standstil and Oda needed to create a distraction to defeat him

Doflamingo track record

- Barely breaks out of a low level attack from an admiral(Kuzan) casted hands in his pockets to the point he barely manage to hold his breath
- Shit his pants against a yonkou(Kaido)
- Fear an admiral's strength only testing his powers
- Even with his entire family admits not to be sure to defeat an admiral
- First real antagonist of the new world about to be defeated by a previous rookie pirate

 

[Olorin]

I know right Lol

Sengoku: "Doflamingo and a VA take care of Jozu and Vista ... Kizaru kick Marco's a?? and Whiteberd is yours Sakazuki and Kuzan ... Garp you use CoC on the fodder ... Oh noez that's right, Oda hasn't yet figured out what he wants to do with Haki, oh gosh darn it ..."

 

[Bogard]

Sengoku: "Doflamingo and a VA take care of Jozu and Vista ... Kizaru kick Marco's a?? and Whiteberd is yours Sakazuki and Kuzan ... Garp you use CoC on the fodder ... Oh noez that's right, Oda hasn't yet figured out what he wants to do with Haki, oh gosh darn it ..."

Hahaha funny isn't it? Doflamingo so strong Lol

 

[Punk Hazard]

A shichibukai and one of his underlings can take out the 3rd and 4th most powerful of the WB pirates and that is why no one at MF was worried at all when WB and his guys arrived

Vista>Mihawk then, right? After all, Mihawk is "just a Shichibukai" like Doflamingo and Vista is a commander like Jozu and Ace.

The reason they were worried upon Whitebeard's arrival is because of his entire fleet being there and Whitebeard's power. You think if it was just Jozu and Ace, they would have been worried? You cannot apply the ability of the entire crew to such a small part. If you honestly think the fact that they were wary of fighting over a thousand people mean that two of those people can give the same threat, then you really shouldn't be posting here.

In fact, the only people worried about Whitebeard were fodders. The Fleet Admiral, Admirals, Shichibukai and Garp, while wary of and acknowledging his power, didn't hesitate to fight WB or cower from him.

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

DD>Jozu>=Vergo>Ace

Team 2 low dif

 

[Punk Hazard]

Jozu track record

- Whitebeard, Jozu and Marco were the most feared one before and during that war on the Whitebeard and ally side
- Could block Mihawk's air slash aimed at the world strongest man in the world
- Jozu could fight admiral level fighters(Kuzan) for a while in a standstil and Oda needed to create a distraction to defeat him

Doflamingo track record

- Barely breaks out of a low level attack from an admiral(Kuzan) casted hands in his pockets to the point he barely manage to hold his breath
- Shit his pants against a yonkou(Kaido)
- Fear an admiral's strength only testing his powers
- Even with his entire family admits not to be sure to defeat an admiral
- First real antagonist of the new world about to be defeated by a previous rookie pirate

Jozu's track record:
-Lost his arm to and couldn't break out of the same ice attack Doflamingo did.

-Failed to do anything significant during the war

-Completely helpless once Doflamingo caught him

-Failed to do any significant damage to Crocodile despite landing a direct sneak attack.

-Couldnt do to Crocodile using diamond and Haki what Luffy did using rubber and blood

-Inferior to someone below Yonko level

-No diffed by an Admiral

Also interesting to note that Crocodile's hook matched a blow with Mihawk, and Doflamingo them matched that same blow with one leg.

 

[bajram]

I love how the OP takes it Doflamingo>Jozu just because he was able to restrain him while jozu was off guard, we even saw jozu hit an aokiji when he was off guard fighting WB, DOflamingo has a shit for feats, the only thing he has ever done throughout the manga is taking on some high tiers and on the other side shit his pants from fujitora and run with his tail between his legs from aokiji, well I cant blame him he would get stomped by aokiji, while Jozu fought serious admirals during the war, while doffy shits his pants from fuji even though he knows that he has protection, the thinking that someone as strong as admiral can turn against doffy was enough to make him shit his pants, if WB's second strongest man is weaker than dofla than we had Mihaw,Akainu,Aokiji,Kizaru,Sengoku,Garp vs WB,Marco I would like to ask if u think dofla would be able to give any diff to WB, if someone actually thinks someone like doffy can give a diff fight against WB then he is a lost cause.

OT: Team 1 mid diff. Jozu wrecks them pretty easy, Vergo is a non factor against jozu, while ace is a factor against dofla, the only serious time we saw him fight was teach and sakazuki, though if dofla fought sakazuki he would get the same fodder treatment.

 

[Bogard]

I love how the OP takes it Doflamingo>Jozu just because he was able to restrain him while jozu was off guard, we even saw jozu hit an aokiji when he was off guard fighting WB, DOflamingo has a shit for feats, the only thing he has ever done throughout the manga is taking on some high tiers and on the other side shit his pants from fujitora and run with his tail between his legs from aokiji, well I cant blame him he would get stomped by aokiji, while Jozu fought serious admirals during the war, while doffy shits his pants from fuji even though he knows that he has protection, the thinking that someone as strong as admiral can turn against doffy was enough to make him shit his pants, if WB's second strongest man is weaker than dofla than we had Mihaw,Akainu,Aokiji,Kizaru,Sengoku,Garp vs WB,Marco I would like to ask if u think dofla would be able to give any diff to WB, if someone actually thinks someone like doffy can give a diff fight against WB then he is a lost cause.

OT: Team 1 mid diff. Jozu wrecks them pretty easy, Vergo is a non factor against jozu, while ace is a factor against dofla, the only serious time we saw him fight was teach and sakazuki, though if dofla fought sakazuki he would get the same fodder treatment.

Indeed. Onigumo managed to restrain Marco when he wasn't paying attention to him at all. Crocodile managed to cut Akainu in half when he wasn't paying attention. It's funny how people use that scene as if it was something significant. Like you said, Doflamingo did jack shit against top tier fighters in 1 on 1. More like the contrary, he shit his pants against them. If anything, Doflamingo is Onigumo/Crocodile level.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Indeed. Onigumo managed to restrain Marco when he wasn't paying attention to him at all. Crocodile managed to cut Akainu in half when he wasn't paying attention. It's funny how people use that scene as if it was something significant. Like you said, Doflamingo did jack shit against top tier fighters in 1 on 1. More like the contrary, he shit his pants against them. If anything, Doflamingo is Onigumo/Crocodile level.

If Jozu is as strong as you're making him out to be then why couldn't he break out of Doflamingo's strings. Doflamingo emerged from the MF War with no injuries.

 

[Bogard]

If Jozu is as strong as you're making him out to be then why couldn't he break out of Doflamingo's strings. Doflamingo emerged from the MF War with no injuries.

Who said he couldn't? He didn't appear to be in discomfort at all when Doflamingo stopped him. Later on we see him unscathed despite being caught by Crocodile's sables, implying he broke free and dodged the attack. And it's easy to emerge with no injuries when you fight fodders. His greatest feat in the war was cuting Oz's limb who was already heavily injured by Kuma

Bellamy already predicted in Mocktown that Luffy/Zoro will get to his position eventually and coincidently, Bellamy is there at the moment. Be prepared for Doflamingo's call-back when his defeat will arrive:

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[Uzumaki Macho]

Who said he couldn't? He didn't appear to be in discomfort at all when Doflamingo stopped him. Later on we see him unscathed despite being caught by Crocodile's sables, implying he broke free and dodged the attack. And it's easy to emerge with no injuries when you fight fodders. His greatest feat in the war was cuting Oz's limb who was already heavily injured by Kuma

Bellamy already predicted in Mocktown that Luffy/Zoro will get to his position eventually and coincidently, Bellamy is there at the moment. Be prepared for Doflamingo's call-back when his defeat will arrive:

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About your previous statement, DD will get underrated after his defeat, it always happens to villians.

 

[Olorin]

If Jozu is as strong as you're making him out to be then why couldn't he break out of Doflamingo's strings. Doflamingo emerged from the MF War with no injuries.

Buggy wasn't injured either and tbh from an OPV point of view Buggy has more hype than Dofy

Buggy>Jozu and Ace

 

[Olorin]

Jozu>=Vergo

Now THAT'S just sad XD

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Team one wins with mid to high diff.

Doflamingo > Ace > Jozu >>> Vergo.

Tho, Jozu could probably be even stronger than Ace, which could be one more + to them.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Buggy wasn't injured either and tbh from an OPV point of view Buggy has more hype than Dofy

Buggy>Jozu and Ace

That's because Buggy avoided fighting anyone. Also didn't he get frozen by Aokiji?

Team one wins with mid to high diff.

Doflamingo > Ace > Jozu >>> Vergo.

Tho, Jozu could probably be even stronger than Ace, which could be one more + to them.

Doflamingo>=Jozu>Ace=Vergo.

 

[bajram]

If Jozu is as strong as you're making him out to be then why couldn't he break out of Doflamingo's strings. Doflamingo emerged from the MF War with no injuries.

Of course he got out of the war with no injures he avoided fighting and in the oris plaza he was just ****ing around, does that actually mean DOflamingo>Wb, Akainu, because both of them got injured and dofla didnt.

Official: Doflamingo > WB.

U heard it here first.