[VS] JJ Madara (2 Rinnegan) vs RSM Naruto | JJ Madara (2 Rinnegan) vs Rinnegan Sasuke

[Narutohokage324]

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Yes, Preta Path has a limit.

In the databook PP is stated to absorb every jutsu. Meaning, any type of jutsu. Hell even the substation jutsu for instance. In the manga, in instances where PP could have been used, it has not. The madara scan you posted is a clear one, maybe because he is an Edo that the PP ability was reduced. It does not matter to the full extent because Preta Path has no feats of absorbing anything on the scale of a Bijuudama.

FRS with Senjutsu? Said too much

Coudama /w Senjutsu? Not on the level of FRS

8 Tail chakra cloak? Tell me how much that chakra is compared to a Bijuudama or FRS. A Jinchuriki will die if they get hit with either one Lol

The fact is, I can be certain that a Rinnegan on the level of JJ Madara/Sasuke/Kaguya can absorb attacks up to a Bijuudama. Bijuudama /w senjutsu? No.

Yoton FRS? No.

Ashura avatar's Choudama/FRS simultaneous attack? No

PS/BM? Probably not.

 

[Zee U]

Did u mean to write kaguya arc?

The ones that were to fight Madara before the BZ/Kaguya fiasco basically. They are enough to beat him in my opinion.

 

[DHOH]

Yes, Preta Path has a limit.

In the databook PP is stated to absorb every jutsu. Meaning, any type of jutsu. Hell even the substation jutsu for instance. In the manga, in instances where PP could have been used, it has not. The madara scan you posted is a clear one, maybe because he is an Edo that the PP ability was reduced. It does not matter to the full extent because Preta Path has no feats of absorbing anything on the scale of a Bijuudama.

FRS with Senjutsu? Said too much

Coudama /w Senjutsu? Not on the level of FRS

8 Tail chakra cloak? Tell me how much that chakra is compared to a Bijuudama or FRS. A Jinchuriki will die if they get hit with either one Lol

The fact is, I can be certain that a Rinnegan on the level of JJ Madara/Sasuke/Kaguya can absorb attacks up to a Bijuudama. Bijuudama /w senjutsu? No.

Yoton FRS? No.

Ashura avatar's Choudama/FRS simultaneous attack? No

PS/BM? Probably not.

PP was describe to have a bottomless Pitt. It also absorb very jutsu it ever attempted to. To say it has a limit and amount goes against Databook facts, which the manga does not contradicts. Everything that you have written about PP is speculation and could be said to advance the plot..

On topic: I agree with the OP. Naruto stated he needed Sasuke to beat Madara in the manga.. Don't understand how this is overlooked..

Madara beats them both individually and lose to them together.

 

[Narutohokage324]

PP was describe to have a bottomless Pitt. It also absorb very jutsu it ever attempted to. To say it has a limit and amount goes against Databook facts, which the manga does not contradicts. Everything that you have written about PP is speculation and could be said to advance the plot..

On topic: I agree with the OP. Naruto stated he needed Sasuke to beat Madara in the manga.. Don't understand how this is overlooked..

Madara beats them both individually and lose to them together.

Yes, and the Databook also states that Temari can blow away the universe. Stop using hyperboles as an excuse to justify what is going on the manga. Manga facts > Databook.

Everything I have written has been proven in the manga, or do you want manga scans?

 

[Beans2]

The ones that were to fight Madara before the BZ/Kaguya fiasco basically. They are enough to beat him in my opinion.

Oh...you wrote that Madara arc Naruto was above Madara arc naruto so i'm still confused...

 

[DHOH]

Yes, and the Databook also states that Temari can blow away the universe. Stop using hyperboles as an excuse to justify what is going on the manga. Manga facts > Databook.

Everything I have written has been proven in the manga, or do you want manga scans?

No keep your manga scans.. Unless you have scans stating PP has a limit. If you did we wouldn't be having this discussion would we?

Stop bring up Temari, that proves nothing.. The manga didn't contradict PP abilities only your misinterpretation did.

 

[Izanamı.]

Oh...you wrote that Madara arc Naruto was above Madara arc naruto so i'm still confused...

i think he means that the team (Naruto and Sasuke) on Madara's arc together, are superior to Madara, but not individually

 

[Narutohokage324]

No keep your manga scans.. Unless you have scans stating PP has a limit. If you did we wouldn't be having this discussion would we?.

"Temari can blow away the universe'

"JJ madara's lightning jutsu moves at the speed of light" - Naruto dodged it, so does that mean he moves faster than the speed of light?

I can go on.

As for your limit:

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"That's a bit too much" and the kanji emphasizes on the "too much". Showing that PP has a limit depending on the person wielding the Rinnegan. At best, a pure Rinnegan user like JJ Madara could absorb a Bijuudama. Not with senjutsu added though

I'll wait for your counter which has nothing to do with manga facts. Also show me a scan of PP absorbing high rank jutsu other than a Rasengan variant. I am talking about Yoton Rasenshuriken/Bijuudama level.

I'll wait.

 

[Beans2]

i think he means that the team (Naruto and Sasuke) on Madara's arc together, are superior to Madara, but not individually

Ok i understand now

 

[Bronze]

Zef,

1). Before you use the word ''feat'', try to actually learn and understand what the word means. There is dictionary for you to read. It's pathetic how some unknown member tries to argue about something he has no background understanding of. Madara's feats involve all Rinnegan feats, all Juubi's feats, all Mokuton feats and his previous feats. The difference is, as a Jinchuuriki wielding the Juubi's power, his techniques are now accomplished at a non-comprehensible proportion compared to the duo. A Complete Susanoo coated with Juubi, all Rinnegan techniques and everything in his arsenal is proportional to a global scale, if you want to take consideration that his Infinite Tsukuyomi and Shin: Jukai Kōtan captured every living specie on the planet. That is why he beats them low difficulty individually, mid diff together.

2). The purpose of your scan is exactly what? Everything you showed posed no vitality to Madara's health, and none of the situations show Madara bothering to defend himself.

 

[DHOH]

"Temari can blow away the universe'

"JJ madara's lightning jutsu moves at the speed of light" - Naruto dodged it, so does that mean he moves faster than the speed of light?

I can go on.

As for your limit:

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"That's a bit too much" and the kanji emphasizes on the "too much". Showing that PP has a limit depending on the person wielding the Rinnegan. At best, a pure Rinnegan user like JJ Madara could absorb a Bijuudama. Not with senjutsu added though

I'll wait for your counter which has nothing to do with manga facts. Also show me a scan of PP absorbing high rank jutsu other than a Rasengan variant. I am talking about Yoton Rasenshuriken/Bijuudama level.

I'll wait.

I'll make this quick because I've have discuss this a million times..

You post a scan showing Madara fighting in EMS(not rinnengan) and when Naruto threw the FRS at him, Madara switch to Rinnengan to ABSORBthe technique and says that's a bit too much.. Madara was just pulled out of Susanoo right before Naruto threw the FRS.. My interpertation is Madara had no other way to protect himself other than using the RINNENGAN . His statement of "that's a bit too much" was refering to EMS, it was to much for EMS so he use Rinnengan to deal with it.. I say rinnengan instead of PP because rinnengan has a few ways to deal with the FRS not just by using PP.

Your interpertation is Madara use PP and said it was too much after he absorb it NO problem.. Maybe you would have a valid point if Madara would've attempt to absorb the FRS and was hit just a little because it was 'too much'. That didn't happen so I disagree with your interpertation.

Your entire defense is that Madara said FRS is too much but then give him the credit for being able to absorb Bijudama.. Which I'm sure have 5times or more chakra as the FRS You claim that was 'too much'.

I don't have to prove anything you have the burden of proof since I'm back up by the Databook. You need to show me PP failing to absorb a huge jutsu, not just assume it can't..

That's like me question the sharingan for not copying some jutsu, or not countering attacks or punches, or not putting every shinobi in Genjutsu that looks at them.. Why didn't Madara use PP to absorb huge attacks? Because the plot wouldn't have advanced.. Let's say Madara would've absob lava resengan, that means no chakra/Kaguya from the good tree.... Meaning no kaguya arc... Meaning no advancement on the plot..

 

[Tarinth]

Idk, it's kind of weird. Like, logically, based on their powers, and going all out, Madara should
trash either of them individually and take them both at out the same time even.

But, JJ Madara didn't use most of his OP jutsus, and based on how he fought Naruto and Sasuke, either
won should win. So by feats, Naruto and Sasuke solo. By logic, JJ Madara crushes either.

 

[DHOH]

Idk, it's kind of weird. Like, logically, based on their powers, and going all out, Madara should
trash either of them individually and take them both at out the same time even.

But, JJ Madara didn't use most of his OP jutsus, and based on how he fought Naruto and Sasuke, either
won should win. So by feats, Naruto and Sasuke solo. By logic, JJ Madara crushes either.

Madara's body was taken 10 minutes after he got the other eye.. He didn't have time to show much.

 

[Heisenberg Wannabe]

Yes, Preta Path has a limit.

I already proved why Madara said those words. Than tell me how Pein managed to absorb 5 FRS worth of chakra at one go from Naruto, is he better at Rinnegan than Madara now ?

In the databook PP is stated to absorb every jutsu. Meaning, any type of jutsu. Hell even the substation jutsu for instance. In the manga, in instances where PP could have been used, it has not. The madara scan you posted is a clear one, maybe because he is an Edo that the PP ability was reduced. It does not matter to the full extent because Preta Path has no feats of absorbing anything on the scale of a Bijuudama.

PP basically absorb the chakra of any jutsu, making the jutsu useless. As long as that any attack reaches within PP's absorbing range, it will get absorbed. Yeah Madara one, how about Pein and Nagato, are they blurry ?

FRS with Senjutsu? Said too much

PP already managed to absorb more than FRS worth of chakra, this means Madara simply complimented on that jutsu. What will you say about Pein's PP feats ? Stop beating around the bush.

Coudama /w Senjutsu? Not on the level of FRS

8 Tail chakra cloak? Tell me how much that chakra is compared to a Bijuudama or FRS. A Jinchuriki will die if they get hit with either one Lol

This is manga, we don't have numeral statistics about everything. But V2 clearly has more chakra than a simple FRS. So what ? Katon: Fireball jutsu can kill someone, does that mean this jutsu has more chakra than said person ? To kill someone you have to use an attack which possess more chakra than target ? You're a joke.

The fact is, I can be certain that a Rinnegan on the level of JJ Madara/Sasuke/Kaguya can absorb attacks up to a Bijuudama. Bijuudama /w senjutsu? No.

Pein showed he has no problem with absorbing Senjutsu based attacks, Madara who is original owner can't do that because you said so ?

Yoton FRS? No.

Oh yeah, I know this argument to. He lacked his other eye at that moment, I might say he wasn't able to use PP because he lacked his other eye. And do you have anything to prove otherwise ? Madara so far used PP only when he had both eyes, so it is logical to assume that either PP requires both eyes or PP's ability resided in the other eye.

Ashura avatar's Choudama/FRS simultaneous attack? No

Construct of chakra. So yeap.

PS/BM? Probably not.

Same as above.

I suggest you to stop beating around the bush, if you don't have any solid manga scans to prove your point don't waste my time.

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

Naruto and Sasuke together would win against Madara. That much is clear for me.

But I can't help but notice some people thinking that Naruto or Sasuke can take Madara on individually and win.

And these people while claiming Naruto or Sasuke wins against Madara, cataloging their claims as opinion, consideres the counter-part as trolling.

So here, I would like to make a proper debate with one of people who thinks Madara loses against Sasuke or Naruto.

I would like to point out I'm not talking about Epilogue version of them. Considering there is no feat about their Epilogue versions, if we don't count that 'love movie' in which Naruto was nerfed and Sasuke only used one jutsu, that kind of debate wouldn't be fruitful much.

Anyone interested could take the lead.

look half of this guys are just morons and sadly they consider themselves to be some experts here in VS threads

1.Vote Sasuke tied with RSM Naruto it is obvious he cant beat a guy who have RSM, 2 Rinnegans (sasukes own power) Juubi power inside him, Rinne sharingan. Same goes for Naruto

2. They are also forgeting facts that Madara is immortal and that he already demonstrate that. Only way to beat him is to seal him and they are lacking another part of seal.

3. Sasuke indra arrow dont contain senjustu because every time when someone is using senjutsu its clearly stated and jutsu itself have word "senpou" which indra arrow dont have so onmyoudon and gudoudama will work fine.

4. naruto still dont have counter for IT.

5. It took entire shinobi alliance to pull out bijuus one person alone isnt doing that.

6. It was stated that Juubi jinchuriki is stronger than Juubi itself . Back then juubi survived his own TBB which is so far strongest attack in NV . so JJ Madara can survive anything they can land on him and he will simply regenerate.

7. Sasuke dont have senjutsu. Sasuke fappers are claiming Hagoromo chakra contain senjutsu .But there isnt any confirmation on this.

Their fanfiction come from fact that his chidori was black and they think every raiton with senjutsu will turn black which is not true.
back then Madara used senjutsu raiton and raiton was still white (blue)

also Darui and 3 Raikage have black raiton and they are not listed as senjutsu users in latest databook and it wasnt stated.

So black raiton is simply stronger version of raiton .

8. they are forgeting that Naruto and Sasuke couldnt do anything against 2 rinnegan Madara and that BZ saved them

 

[Zef]

Zef,

1). Before you use the word ''feat'', try to actually learn and understand what the word means.There is dictionary for you to read.

Trying to deflect from the topic at hand.

It's pathetic how some unknown member tries to argue about something he has no background understanding of.

Irrelevant

Madara's feats involve all Rinnegan feats,

No it doesn't. Going by this logic Madara has Amenotejikara.

all Juubi's feats,

No it doesn't. Madara can't do what Kaguya did.

all Mokuton feats

Nope. Madara hasn't shown half of what Hashirama was capable of doing with Mokuton.

all his previous feats.

This is the only thing you've typed that's remotely accurate. Everything Madara has shown he can do, everything else is speculation.You can't give other people's feats to Madara.

The difference is, as a Jinchuuriki wielding the Juubi's power, his techniques are now accomplished at a non-comprehensible proportion compared to the duo. A Complete Susanoo coated with Juubi,

Fanfic

all Rinnegan techniques and everything in his arsenal is proportional to a global scale,

So Limbo is global? Lol
Chibaku Tensei is the strongest Rinnegan technique in Madara's arsenal. Naruto, and Sasuke countered it effortlessly.

if you want to take consideration that his Infinite Tsukuyomi and Shin: Jukai Kōtan captured every living specie on the planet. That is why he beats them low difficulty individually, mid diff together.

So because Infinite Tsukuyomi is global means everything else he has is global? Lol This is Two Eyed JJ Madara, why are you even bringing up IT?

2). The purpose of your scan is exactly what? Everything you showed posed no vitality to Madara's health, and none of the situations show Madara bothering to defend himself.

Madara was clearly using a Goudama to block Naruto's punch in the first scan.:|

Not defending himself my ass.

The purpose of the scans is to show how faulty your logic is. You yourself say that being a Juubi Jinchuuriki boosts the scale of Madara's Rinnegan abilities, yet you also claim he beats them without the Juubi's power.

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

Is this VoTE Sasuke/Naruto?

Without IT, there's nothing Naruto has to worry about. He can continuously barrage Madara who can't absorb such large techniques. His best bet is to use Shinra Tensei, but its cool down renders that tactic somewhat useless, and then Naruto can use the Bijuu Rasenshuriken to resonate with Madara's Bijuu chakra and pull them out.

Sasuke's a little different, but his superior Susano'o and Indra's arrow obliterate Madara and there's not much he can do.

can you tell me how indra arrow destroys onmyudon

 

[V h o]

Only 3 eyes is debatable. Believe Xlad gave a good response for both.

 

[maniaoqan]

This suppossed to be obvious.

Spoiler

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Key word is ''We''.

 

[Unorthodox]

Trying to deflect from the topic at hand.

Irrelevant

No it doesn't. Going by this logic Madara has Amenotejikara.

No it doesn't. Madara can't do what Kaguya did.

Nope. Madara hasn't shown half of what Hashirama was capable of doing with Mokuton.

This is the only thing you've typed that's remotely accurate. Everything Madara has shown he can do, everything else is speculation.You can't give other people's feats to Madara.


Fanfic

So Limbo is global? Lol
Chibaku Tensei is the strongest Rinnegan technique in Madara's arsenal. Naruto, and Sasuke countered it effortlessly.


So because Infinite Tsukuyomi is global means everything else he has is global? Lol This is Two Eyed JJ Madara, why are you even bringing up IT?


Madara was clearly using a Goudama to block Naruto's punch in the first scan.:|

Not defending himself my ass.

The purpose of the scans is to show how faulty your logic is. You yourself say that being a Juubi Jinchuuriki boosts the scale of Madara's Rinnegan abilities, yet you also claim he beats them without the Juubi's power.

Damn he went in on madara rules lmao