[VS] JJ Madara (2 Rinnegan) vs RSM Naruto | JJ Madara (2 Rinnegan) vs Rinnegan Sasuke

Heisenberg Wannabe · Mar 4, 2015

Naruto and Sasuke together would win against Madara. That much is clear for me.

But I can't help but notice some people thinking that Naruto or Sasuke can take Madara on individually and win.

And these people while claiming Naruto or Sasuke wins against Madara, cataloging their claims as opinion, consideres the counter-part as trolling.

So here, I would like to make a proper debate with one of people who thinks Madara loses against Sasuke or Naruto.

I would like to point out I'm not talking about Epilogue version of them. Considering there is no feat about their Epilogue versions, if we don't count that 'love movie' in which Naruto was nerfed and Sasuke only used one jutsu, that kind of debate wouldn't be fruitful much.

Anyone interested could take the lead.

Omar19992010 · Mar 4, 2015

What with all these Madara vs Naruto and Sasuke threads?

Transcendence · Mar 4, 2015

Is this VoTE Sasuke/Naruto?

Without IT, there's nothing Naruto has to worry about. He can continuously barrage Madara who can't absorb such large techniques. His best bet is to use Shinra Tensei, but its cool down renders that tactic somewhat useless, and then Naruto can use the Bijuu Rasenshuriken to resonate with Madara's Bijuu chakra and pull them out.

Sasuke's a little different, but his superior Susano'o and Indra's arrow obliterate Madara and there's not much he can do.

Heisenberg Wannabe · Mar 5, 2015

Korasi said:
Is this VoTE Sasuke/Naruto?

Without IT, there's nothing Naruto has to worry about. He can continuously barrage Madara who can't absorb such large techniques. His best bet is to use Shinra Tensei, but its cool down renders that tactic somewhat useless, and then Naruto can use the Bijuu Rasenshuriken to resonate with Madara's Bijuu chakra and pull them out.

Sasuke's a little different, but his superior Susano'o and Indra's arrow obliterate Madara and there's not much he can do.

And you assume there is a limit for Madara's chakra absorbing because of this right ?

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Let me talk about this argument a bit.

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Here databook states there is no chakra limit for this jutsu to absorb. It can absorb until there is no chakra left to absorb.

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He absorbed FRS here.

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He absorbed Naruto's SM once.

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He absorbed Naruto's SM second time.

At that time Naruto was able to use 2 FRS per SM.
So basically Pein absorbed 5 FRS worth of chakra. And there is no indication he can't absorb any more, he turned to stone because he was unfamiliar with Natural Energy, not because he wasn't able to absorb any more.

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In here Nagato absorbs entire V2 in matter of seconds. I am pretty sure it has more chakra than a single FRS.

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Based on what Obito said, it is clear that Madara could use Rinnegan much more effective than Nagato.

All of this manga panels leads to one conclusion regarding Madara's words about Naruto's FRS.

He simply impressed by that technique, and complimented it.

Just only with Preta Path here, Naruto's entire long range offence is rendered to useless.
Madara survived all of Gai's hits, so Naruto can't seriously harm Madara in the close combat either.

SM Madara's Limbo clone one shotted each Bijuu. Since it was clone it is logical to assume Madara possess same if not more physical power. When you combine that with Rikudo Senjutsu, and increase the Limbo clones to 4, Naruto can't do much in close combat either.

Naruto's Kage Bunshins will dispel with one hit, Madara could counter them with equal number of Mokuton Bunshin which are shown to be more durable. On top of that he has Limbo Clones who won't dispel with one hits.

Naruto's TSB will be countered with Madara's TSB as well.

Naruto in Vote2 was able to summon 3 TSB only, this shows me that as the fight continues his number of TSB will decrease while Madara with his way more chakra reserves could keep fighting longer without his performence drops.

Naruto's Bijuu Avatar is a construct of Chakra, it is useless against Madara who can absorb it.
He didn't used it against Kaguya directly because he knew it is pointless if it gets absorbed.

Bronze · Mar 5, 2015

Madara beats them low diff individually, mid diff as a team. His power is absolutely overwhelming for them as a Jinchuuriki. Make Double Rinnegan Madara without Juubi, and it would be interesting to discuss, even though Madara would still win.

Beans2 · Mar 5, 2015

Each one is individually stronger than Madara

Scryed · Mar 5, 2015

Perhaps VOTE Naruto and Sasuke since they both have the chakra of the Tailed Beasts and might be able to extract them from Madara.

Despite that it still feels kinda weird saying they're superior to him. I guess os because he has both their power even if it's inferior.

Zef · Mar 5, 2015

Bronze said:
Madara beats them low diff individually, mid diff as a team.

Not even close.

His power is absolutely overwhelming for them as a Jinchuuriki.

The only feats Two Eyed JJ Madara has is Limbo, and Chibaku Tensei.

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Which in no way, shape, or form overwhelm either Naruto or Sasuke.

Make Double Rinnegan Madara without Juubi, and it would be interesting to discuss, even though Madara would still win

No. How does an inferior, and mortal version of Madara win when he was getting thrashed around as a Juubi Jinchuriki?

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Seventh Sama · Mar 5, 2015

Manga portrayal madara loses to both individual med diff and as a team low diff. However an all out Juudara could possibly med diff them as a team and low diff them individually. idk how sasuke or naruto would deal with wood dragons, wood clones using PS and madara's own PS. Which is in theory the strongest defense in the manga.

Zef · Mar 5, 2015

Bronze said:
Madara beats them low diff individually, mid diff as a team.

No.

His power is absolutely overwhelming for them as a Jinchuuriki.

Two Eyed JJ Madara's only feats are Limbo, and Chibaku Tensei

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Neither of which overwhelm Naruto, or Sasuke.

Make Double Rinnegan Madara without Juubi, and it would be interesting to discuss, even though Madara would still win.

No. How does a weaker, and mortal Madara beat Naruto or Sasuke when they were thrashing him as a Juubi Jinchuriki?

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Xlad · Mar 5, 2015

Right. And you're the one who knocks. :|

Izanamı. · Mar 5, 2015

manga vote Sasuke and Naruto are stronger than JJ Madara, let alone their adult forms

Ambivalence · Mar 5, 2015

You didn't specify whether only feats or speculated powers are allowed, which pretty much decides the battle.

If only feats are allowed, VoTE 2 Naruto and Sasuke can individually mid diff him.

If speculated powers are allowed for Madara (6 Paths, PS, Juubidamas, etc.) then he takes either of them mid diff, but loses against both of them together with high/extreme high difficulty.

Bronze said:
Madara beats them low diff individually, mid diff as a team. His power is absolutely overwhelming for them as a Jinchuuriki. Make Double Rinnegan Madara without Juubi, and it would be interesting to discuss, even though Madara would still win.

Do you actually believe yourself?

Holy God · Mar 5, 2015

Holy Madara > Naruto OR Sasuke
Holy Madara > Naruto AND Sasuke
DRSM Madara = Naruto OR Sasuke

Conspirator. · Mar 5, 2015

Madara loses to both individually.

Unorthodox · Mar 5, 2015

Sasuke wins against Madara med diff . stronger dojutsu greater susanoo etc.

Naruto med diffs aswell he blitz Madara before IT can be used followed by tampering with the bijuus in his body

together its a low diff

Rinnegan Sasuke < JJ Madara (Double Rinnegan) High diffs sasuke

VOTE2 Sasuke > JJ Madara (Double Rinnegan) Med diff

The Last Sasuke > JJ Madara (Double Rinnegan) Low diff

Adult Sasuke Negs Anyform of Madara

Zee U · Mar 5, 2015

Nature Energy boost Naruto = Bijuu chakra boost Sasuke > Madara Arc Naruto and Sasuke > DRG JJ Madara > Madara Arc Naruto > Madara Arc Sasuke

That's how i view it.

Beans2 · Mar 5, 2015

Zi Yu said:
Nature Energy boost Naruto = Bijuu chakra boost Sasuke > Madara Arc Naruto and Sasuke > DRG JJ Madara > Madara Arc Naruto > Madara Arc Sasuke

That's how i view it.

Did u mean to write kaguya arc?

RikudouMadara · Mar 5, 2015

He was shown superior to them both once obtaining both Rinnegan.... He saw them as child's play.... So from that I feel we can lean more towards him beating them together at the same time. As far as individually they both would lose to Madara.

DemonicAvenger · Mar 5, 2015

Naruto's capable of fighting roughly on par with him but eventually loses. Sasuke loses comfortably.

Epilogue versions both beat him IMO

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