[VS] Jiriya and Orochimaru vs Kisame and Kakuzu

[UchihaNagashi]

Suiton Bunshin cannot absorb as it doesn't contain Samehada within it, or at least nothing implies it will. More so, I already explained Jiraiya isn't detectable. Unless he's creating Bunshins to team-up on Oro I don't see your point. Oro can also easily dictate which is the clone. Just use temporary paralysis and see if the clone is effected. Once he knows which one is which, he can proceed to 'kusanagi sword-neck stretch' Kisame 100 meters away as I showed in the picture above.

It's not like he'll create Suiton Bunshin in middle of the fight. He can create them right after the dome is created, which means that Jiraiya would be going inside a toad while Kisame is watching.

Furthermore, what stops him from locking them in a prison? Much easier.​

You don't need to draw blood to summon, so Orochimaru has his summoning

Maybe small snakes, but we're talking Manda size snakes that do require blood.​

 

[makosheva7]

Team 1 mid-diff

 

[Nattana]

Maybe small snakes, but we're talking Manda size snakes that do require blood.​

Straight from our debate.

2. Countering the 'no blood' argument.

It is true that now, due to possessing a Zetsu body, Orochimaru's human shell does not possess blood. But it seems that you aren't aware of Orochimaru's other ways of getting blood required for summonning techniques. I think you won't disagree with the fact, that Oro's True Form and 8branches still possess blood, due to not having any connection with a human shell

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, Orochimaru was using the snakes, that are in fact his true body - a body that possesses his blood. Thereby, nothing stops Orochimaru from releasing a single snake to get the blood needed to summon any of his Giant Snakes.

 

[Joker]

Kisame can potentially take on both at the same time, with extreme high difficulty.​

Blasphemy, Jiraiya alone posses a GIANT threat, matter of fact, Orochimaru spams summonings to help get Jiraiya in SM, and Jiraiya takes this.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

Straight from our debate.

There's few things I want you to clarify;

1. How do you know he still possesses these techniques?
2. How do you know they still possess blood?

Contradictions, contradictions.​

Blasphemy, Jiraiya alone posses a GIANT threat, matter of fact, Orochimaru spams summonings to help get Jiraiya in SM, and Jiraiya takes this.

Orochimaru does not have summonings, Jiraiya poses a shit threat inside a dome. I don't even see him beating Kisame after getting SM.​

 

[Steinbiz]

Team akatsuki wins Kisame could almost solo

uuuggggghhhhhh, no......lol. absolutely not.

 

[Salad]

Lml Kakuzu > SM jiraiya U_U Such an overrated character

 

[blazekev90]

Someone might want to re-read the manga. Blood needed? Please EXIT


We've seen Edo use summoning jutsu. 1) they don't have blood. So please explain exactly how they were able to use this jutsu (Itachi, Hanzo, Nagato, etc). 2) If you looked back at when Jman explained the process of summoning, you'd know blood isn't required.

 

[Salad]

Nagato doesn't need Blood as he uses a rinnegan technique look at his fights when he's a non edo, still doesn't utilize blood. Anyways Oro has shown that too summon that he needs blood U_U So when he has none hes not going to be able to summon, some people are just advanced enough to not require it, such as Itachi never used blood, nor I don't think Hanzo was ever shown to either >.<

 

[blazekev90]

Nagato doesn't need Blood as he uses a rinnegan technique look at his fights when he's a non edo, still doesn't utilize blood. Anyways Oro has shown that too summon that he needs blood U_U So when he has none hes not going to be able to summon, some people are just advanced enough to not require it, such as Itachi never used blood, nor I don't think Hanzo was ever shown to either >.<

Are you saying Jman is more advanced than Orochimaru, who has always been hailed inferior to Orochimaru ? Jman has summoned shown using blood AND has solely used hand seals for summoning.

As i stated, Jman explained the process to Naruto, he NEVER said one must draw blood to summon their respective animal. Orochimaru prefered to use blood, but the BASIS to summoning doesn't require blood. IF IT DID JMAN WOULD HAVE SAID THIS TO NARUTO.

 

[Salad]

Are you saying Jman is more advanced than Orochimaru, who has always been hailed inferior to Orochimaru ? Jman has summoned shown using blood AND has solely used hand seals for summoning.

As i stated, Jman explained the process to Naruto, he NEVER said one must draw blood to summon their respective animal. Orochimaru prefered to use blood, but the BASIS to summoning doesn't require blood. IF IT DID JMAN WOULD HAVE SAID THIS TO NARUTO.

Lmao what? Both of them use blood to summon Jiraiya has never shown to not use it, neither has Oro, If he could summon without blood he would of done it when his hands were sealed U_U But he does, it depends on the contract you have with your summons, Oro's requires blood. So he can't summon in zetsu's body

 

[blazekev90]

Lmao what? Both of them use blood to summon Jiraiya has never shown to not use it, neither has Oro, If he could summon without blood he would of done it when his hands were sealed U_U But he does, it depends on the contract you have with your summons, Oro's requires blood. So he can't summon in zetsu's body

Exhibit A: chapter 374, page 15. Jman doesn't draw blood, nor does he slam his hands onto the ground. Something that was deemed traditional.

You contradicted yourself. "If Oro could summon he would have when HIS HANDS WERE SEALED". If blood was all that was needed, he would've done so, as HIS HANDS WERE SEALED PREVENTING HIS FROM PERFORMING HAND SEALS.

Blood is only required to sign the contract, not to summon

 

[Penguin]

Gamabunta/Gamakichi, Katsuya, and Manda/Aoda require blood.

 

[blazekev90]

Gamabunta/Gamakichi, Katsuya, and Manda/Aoda require blood.

They don't. I know you like to believe so for the benefit of your arguments. Convincing you of anything has been a lost cause a long time ago.

 

[Penguin]

They don't. I know you like to believe so for the benefit of your arguments. Convincing you of anything has been a lost cause a long time ago.

I just go by the manga. Every time one of the summons I listed was summoned, it required a blood sacrifice. I could give two shits less about your opinion of me, considering everyone here knows how you twist any manga page you can to get Orochimaru a new feat. Lol

 

[blazekev90]

I just go by the manga. Every time one of the summons I listed was summoned, it required a blood sacrifice. I could give two shits less about your opinion of me, considering everyone here knows how you twist any manga page you can to get Orochimaru a new feat. Lol

New feat? Boy please, you need cosigners for every claim you make, which is why you've been on my page multiple times asking questions. I have no opinion of you, I'm going by facts. In all actuality i could give no ****s you and anyone else on here. Lol so what you and everyone think they know...well I'm flattered.

OT: I've stated ny peace, you think otherwise that's fine. Penguin re-read the Minato and Obtio fight as well.

 

[Nattana]

But. Orochimaru's. True. Form. DOES. Have. Blood.

He can still summon, read my argument on the previous page.

 

[Penguin]

New feat? Boy please, you need cosigners for every claim you make, which is why you've been on my page multiple times asking questions. I have no opinion of you, I'm going by facts. In all actuality i could give no ****s you and anyone else on here. Lol so what you and everyone think they know...well I'm flattered.

OT: I've stated ny peace, you think otherwise that's fine. Penguin re-read the Minato and Obtio fight as well.

I ask questions to make sure I don't make false claims too many times. I never admitted I am perfect, no one is. Don't know why your petty ass is stalking my shit either.

OT: I re-read it. It doesn't go in depth on Minato summoning Bunta.

 

[blazekev90]

I ask questions to make sure I don't make false claims too many times. I never admitted I am perfect, no one is. Don't know why your petty ass is stalking my shit either.

OT: I re-read it. It doesn't go in depth on Minato summoning Bunta.

No, i speak of your involvement regarding me. I don't stalk, I'm too busy for that. But i obviously can't say the same for you. Btw I'm petty for stating facts? Lml

Observing that, i find it funny who you think Minato had time to draw blood, slam thw ground and appear on top of Gam all in the midst of the TBB already being prepped pripr to any of that,

Or sasuke, drawing blood, slam, and cast Genjutsu all before cO reached him. Deidara was less than 10ft away from him.

No need to respond, i don't expect much from your response. Plus, it's time i workout but work tonight.

 

[Salad]

Exhibit A: chapter 374, page 15. Jman doesn't draw blood, nor does he slam his hands onto the ground. Something that was deemed traditional.

You contradicted yourself. "If Oro could summon he would have when HIS HANDS WERE SEALED". If blood was all that was needed, he would've done so, as HIS HANDS WERE SEALED PREVENTING HIS FROM PERFORMING HAND SEALS.

Blood is only required to sign the contract, not to summon

Except he did :| He had Kabuto extract the blood, and then against Naruto he bit his fingers, Oro has never shown to summon without blood so we can't give him this skill