Jiraiya vs Sasuke.

[Vexorian]

Has he shown any capable of doing it? No, so don't try and give Jiraiya jutsu he's never shown. That's like me saying Kakashi has ftg because he's Minato's student.

I love Jiraiya but he can't beat Sasuke. He has no answer for susanoo, amaterasu, or tsukuyomi. Yes the OP restricted tsukuyomi and amaterasu but he still has no answer for susanoo.

If you would argue logically, argue with me. There is very little fanboyism in me when it comes to threads like these. Throw your best counter theories on the table.

 

[-Vegeta-]

He used sealing jutsu to Seal off Amaterasu at itachi and jiraiya's first meeting. So yes he can counter amaterasu.

I still root for Jiraiya.

How's Jiraiya going to seal it when it's burning his face off lol?

 

[Gutsy]

Im not saying how and in what situation im just saying he can seal it.

 

[-Vegeta-]

If you would argue logically, argue with me. There is very little fanboyism in me when it comes to threads like these. Throw your best counter theories on the table.

Why are you quoting me? I never started a debate with you.

 

[Bluedevil]

I do love the J-Man, but I also DONT like Sasuke. This is an actually unbiased opinion because my only bias against Sasuke is that everything is given to him rather than worked for. But, putting that aside, the only time I saw Sasuke doing anything of note was against Itachi. Sasuke flopped hardcore against Bee, and did better, yet still bad against Danzo, considering Danzo wasn't able to use Shisui's sharingan for anything, including its base form for predicting the enemy's movements and copying jutsus. Koto Amatsukami also takes a large amount of chakra away from the wielder as well. Considering that, and the fact that Sasuke got healed after they both had a mutual strike on eachother, Sasuke hasn't shown too much that is impressive, except for the manipulation of the Amaterasu against A.

Responding to the speed of Sasuke's Susano'o projectile vs Jiraiya's speed, he will obviously be able to dodge it because of SM's innate ability to predict movements, which is quite similar to the Sharingan itself. Responding to the Susano'o defense, even if he may not be able to break it, he certainly has shown the ability to kite even the highest level of opponents, Jiraiya is not one to be taken easily, and nobody even seems to be talking about the 3 Boss summons, which I did not see banned.....my bad if they are. He summons the boss toads and makes a few shadow clones and sits back n lets them go to work on him. Lets just say for the sake of argument that Sasuke wins that, which I'm sure he would, Jiraiya would either already be far enough away, or Ma and Pa are already summoned, in which case its a bad scenario for Sasuke either way. Jiraiya is much the same as Kakashi in that he doesn't engage the enemy in a reckless fashion, unlike Danzo.

Its not so much about who's stronger because I believe in this scenario they are equal, I would go as far as to say that with Amaterasu they are equal. Super powerful jutsu aren't the deciding factor, nor are Doujutsu. Everything costs something, and everything of any worth that Sasuke has costs him a significant amount, whereas it is the opposite for Jiraiya, where he has the best possible setup in SM with Ma and Pa controlling the flow of Nature chakra and he's just releasing it.

The Oodama Rasengan simply doesn't have the power to crack the Susano'o in my opinion. Considering that Danzo broke the lesser form of the Susano'o with one element, 2 elements and Mount Myoboku's oil are plenty to do the job just the same even with the EMS Susano'o, that I can guarantee. The best combo Jiraiya could employ would be Toad Subjugation Shadow Manipulation Technique while hiding in his own Clone's shadow, snaring Sasuke with Doton: Yomi Numa to restrict his directional movement while using Wild Lion's Mane to restrict his ability to throw projectiles. If he wanted to take it a step further, he'd either drag Sasuke into his Barrier: Toad Gourd Prison or Summon: Toad Rock Bind All the while Jiraiya is releasing Senpou: Goemon.

I really don't see Sasuke being able to compete with Jiraiya without Amaterasu, personally I would have banned his ability to manipulate the flames as he did against A, rather than banning the whole jutsu in and of itself. The banning of Enton would equal out Sasuke with Jiraiya even when his Sage Genjutsu is banned. I also find that setting up scenarios are far better than just one straight stand-up fight.

Here's my decision: Jiraiya wins with low difficulty assuming Sasuke has no Tsukiyomi or Amaterasu. Only when Sasuke has Amaterasu without Enton can he make it a high difficulty matchup. If Sasuke gets Enton and Jiraiya doesn't get Frog Song, EMS Sasuke wins.

I entirely agree. However just as a side note I think that both should not be restricted. Ma and Pa already should be fused with j-man and Sasuke should have both Tsukiyomi and Ameterasu and the ability to use blaze techniques.
Because Jiraiya has show that he can seal Ameratsu and possibly doge the attack completely, with both ma and pa he can cancel out Tsukiyomi. And on Sasuke has already show that he can break out of the Tsukiyomi with just a regular sharigun, it seems plausible that he could break the Frog Song genjitsu with the EMS.

 

[Gutsy]

I entirely agree. However just as a side note I think that both should not be restricted. Ma and Pa already should be fused with j-man and Sasuke should have both Tsukiyomi and Ameterasu and the ability to use blaze techniques.
Because Jiraiya has show that he can seal Ameratsu and possibly doge the attack completely, with both ma and pa he can cancel out Tsukiyomi. And on Sasuke has already show that he can break out of the Tsukiyomi with just a regular sharigun, it seems plausible that he could break the Frog Song genjitsu with the EMS.

I completely agree with both of you, it's shown that if you have someone elses chakra within you, you can break Genjutsu, plus he could probably dodge Amaterasu as Sasuke did in his normal state, if he can do so, why can't jiraiya in SM.

 

[Vexorian]

I entirely agree. However just as a side note I think that both should not be restricted. Ma and Pa already should be fused with j-man and Sasuke should have both Tsukiyomi and Ameterasu and the ability to use blaze techniques.
Because Jiraiya has show that he can seal Ameratsu and possibly doge the attack completely, with both ma and pa he can cancel out Tsukiyomi. And on Sasuke has already show that he can break out of the Tsukiyomi with just a regular sharigun, it seems plausible that he could break the Frog Song genjitsu with the EMS.

Thats why I said that he should have made a few separate scenarios >.>

 

[-Vegeta-]

Amaterasu is instant. It appears wherever the user looks, for example,

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The only reason Sasuke could outrun it was because Itachi had already made the flames using amaterasu as shown here

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And then he just manipulates the flames to follow Sasuke wherever he looks as shown here. When the user first uses amaterasu it appears instantly as shown in my 1st scan and Jiraiya can't dodge that. The only one who dodged it was A the 4th Raikage.

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[bmillz012]

Amaterasu is instant. It appears wherever the user looks, for example,

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The only reason Sasuke could outrun it was because Itachi had already made the flames using amaterasu as shown here

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And then he just manipulates the flames to follow Sasuke wherever he looks as shown here. When the user first uses amaterasu it appears instantly as shown in my 1st scan and Jiraiya can't dodge that. The only one who dodged it was A the 4th Raikage.

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^^this

 

[Vayne]

I like j-man but I doubt he will win aginst the ems

 

[Bluedevil]

Amaterasu is instant. It appears wherever the user looks, for example,

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The only reason Sasuke could outrun it was because Itachi had already made the flames using amaterasu as shown here

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And then he just manipulates the flames to follow Sasuke wherever he looks as shown here. When the user first uses amaterasu it appears instantly as shown in my 1st scan and Jiraiya can't dodge that. The only one who dodged it was A the 4th Raikage.

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Great point however if all you have to do is block the field of vision this is easily accomplished. Garra's sand, A's speed, Sasuke's Flames.... as to my knowledge J-man has several techniques to block this.
Barrier: Canopy Method Formation in coordination with
Big Flame Bullet, Fire Sealing Method, Sage Art: Goemon, Shadow Clone Technique, or even Toad Oil Bullet (as a directional)

and if your worried about a one hit kill what about sasuke's karin? it would be alot harder to block then Amaterasu.

 

[-Vegeta-]

Great point however if all you have to do is block the field of vision this is easily accomplished. Garra's sand, A's speed, Sasuke's Flames.... as to my knowledge J-man has several techniques to block this.
Barrier: Canopy Method Formation in coordination with
Big Flame Bullet, Fire Sealing Method, Sage Art: Goemon, Shadow Clone Technique, or even Toad Oil Bullet (as a directional)

and if your worried about a one hit kill what about sasuke's karin? it would be alot harder to block then Amaterasu.

Gaara' didn't use his sand to block amaterasu, Sasuke used his enton to block Gaara' sand as shown here. Sasuke even says I can't believe I had to guard myself with an enton.

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Amaterasu can only be avoided by someone with extreme speed like A, Naruto, and Minato.

As for kirin it takes alot of prep time to use it. If Sasuke could accomplish it then it would be an automatic kill.

 

[unnamed shinobi]

jiraya is no match for sasuke all those who voted for jiraya have no idea of the uchiha superior power

 

[jigata]

Re: Jiraiya vs Sasuke.
untill i see new powers and strenth jiraya
smarts-jiraya>sasuke
strenth-jiraya>sasuke
skill-jiraya>sasuke
only prob is susno

it is no problem because susano take too much chakra he cant use him for too long

 

[Narubro]

If you are going to remove toad gen then remove tsukuyomi. Your a moron dude. Bullsh** thread.

this^

 

[Raito]

Amusing, that Jiraiya has so much votes.
Amaterasu is the certain death for Jiraiya. All in the sight of the Mangekyou user arises in these black flames - only with a extreme speed you can dodge from it and only if you're see it coming. Because the see through ability of the Sharingan it becomes just harder to counter Amaterasu or dodge from it. The fight from Itachi against Sasuke isn't a suitable comparison. Itachi Itachi was wasteful with his techniques to reach his limit earlier in this fake-fight. In the normal case a human with a normal speed could never dodge Amaterasu - Jiraiya even won't be able to dodge from the arrows of Sasukes Susanoo.

And don't forget how much time Jiraiyas Senninmodo takes.

Just like always the Sharingan's powerful ilussions are kicked into the lang grass.

 

[IamMe]

Amusing, that Jiraiya has so much votes.
Amaterasu is the certain death for Jiraiya. All in the sight of the Mangekyou user arises in these black flames - only with a extreme speed you can dodge from it and only if you're see it coming. Because the see through ability of the Sharingan it becomes just harder to counter Amaterasu or dodge from it. The fight from Itachi against Sasuke isn't a suitable comparison. Itachi Itachi was wasteful with his techniques to reach his limit earlier in this fake-fight. In the normal case a human with a normal speed could never dodge Amaterasu - Jiraiya even won't be able to dodge from the arrows of Sasukes Susanoo.

And don't forget how much time Jiraiyas Senninmodo takes.

Just like always the Sharingan's powerful ilussions are kicked into the lang grass.

read the conditons op pretty much took all the 1-hit ko out, also Itachi had previously stated he himself would have trouble with Jiraya so I doubt Sasuke would do any better

 

[Raito]

No, he wouldn't. If Itachi would have the intention to kill Jiraiya, he would do it. Itachi only came to Konoha to protect Sasuke, he had never the intention to kill someone - otherwise, Kakashi would be dead. You can't compare a Shinobi from Jiraiyas low level with a Mangekyou user. For example, Orochimaru wasn't a challenge too for Itachi.

 

[Bluedevil]

Gaara' didn't use his sand to block amaterasu, Sasuke used his enton to block Gaara' sand as shown here. Sasuke even says I can't believe I had to guard myself with an enton.

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Amaterasu can only be avoided by someone with extreme speed like A, Naruto, and Minato.

As for kirin it takes alot of prep time to use it. If Sasuke could accomplish it then it would be an automatic kill.

Ahhh nice, I read that completely wrong. Good Job.
But still if you cut the line of vision then it will render the jitsu useless and if J-man does manage to get hit by it then he still can seal the fire with his fire sealing jitsu.
The real problems comes because now Sasuke can control the flames and much more rapidly heat the atmosphere to use karin multiple times.

 

[buly]

Sasuke win ^^