You are talking like Sasuke is not some kind of genius (which he is, stated by some of the most powerfull ninjas in Naruto world), if Jiraiya can outsmart him - tbh Sasuke proved to be at least on the same intelligence level as J-man. Besides, i saw Sasuke using more advanced strategies in his battles than J-man did. Despite being so young and having less exp in fighting terms in comparison with J-man that's a huge + in my book.
And do not talk about EMS Susanoo like it is mere MS Susano ok? There has to be a big difference, so the point about melting / dodging Susano projectiles are kind of ignorant. And even if he can dodge that (MS) arrow, what about dodging Amaterasu? He's not on raikage speed lvl, is he.
I dont know where some1 said His Oodama rasengan can vaporize whole mountain, but anyway it's not even important, we never saw that happening did we?
If u say that some of us overrate Susano, i'm gonna say u overrate his SM speed. Granted he is faster than Danzou / Kakashi, but in the end we won't get any proof from the Kishi that he can dodge EMS Susano projectile (which has to be faster/stronger/blabla)
I'm not a major sas-fan-boy, I was just merely irritated by your ignorant and j-man worshiping post.
Btw i loved J-man as long he stomped the earth.
I do love the J-Man, but I also DONT like Sasuke. This is an actually unbiased opinion because my only bias against Sasuke is that everything is given to him rather than worked for. But, putting that aside, the only time I saw Sasuke doing anything of note was against Itachi. Sasuke flopped hardcore against Bee, and did better, yet still bad against Danzo, considering Danzo wasn't able to use Shisui's sharingan for anything, including its base form for predicting the enemy's movements and copying jutsus. Koto Amatsukami also takes a large amount of chakra away from the wielder as well. Considering that, and the fact that Sasuke got healed after they both had a mutual strike on eachother, Sasuke hasn't shown too much that is impressive, except for the manipulation of the Amaterasu against A.
Responding to the speed of Sasuke's Susano'o projectile vs Jiraiya's speed, he will obviously be able to dodge it because of SM's innate ability to predict movements, which is quite similar to the Sharingan itself. Responding to the Susano'o defense, even if he may not be able to break it, he certainly has shown the ability to kite even the highest level of opponents, Jiraiya is not one to be taken easily, and nobody even seems to be talking about the 3 Boss summons, which I did not see banned.....my bad if they are. He summons the boss toads and makes a few shadow clones and sits back n lets them go to work on him. Lets just say for the sake of argument that Sasuke wins that, which I'm sure he would, Jiraiya would either already be far enough away, or Ma and Pa are already summoned, in which case its a bad scenario for Sasuke either way. Jiraiya is much the same as Kakashi in that he doesn't engage the enemy in a reckless fashion, unlike Danzo.
Its not so much about who's stronger because I believe in this scenario they are equal, I would go as far as to say that with Amaterasu they are equal. Super powerful jutsu aren't the deciding factor, nor are Doujutsu. Everything costs something, and everything of any worth that Sasuke has costs him a significant amount, whereas it is the opposite for Jiraiya, where he has the best possible setup in SM with Ma and Pa controlling the flow of Nature chakra and he's just releasing it.
The Oodama Rasengan simply doesn't have the power to crack the Susano'o in my opinion. Considering that Danzo broke the lesser form of the Susano'o with one element, 2 elements and Mount Myoboku's oil are plenty to do the job just the same even with the EMS Susano'o, that I can guarantee. The best combo Jiraiya could employ would be Toad Subjugation Shadow Manipulation Technique while hiding in his own Clone's shadow, snaring Sasuke with Doton: Yomi Numa to restrict his directional movement while using Wild Lion's Mane to restrict his ability to throw projectiles. If he wanted to take it a step further, he'd either drag Sasuke into his Barrier: Toad Gourd Prison or Summon: Toad Rock Bind All the while Jiraiya is releasing Senpou: Goemon.
I really don't see Sasuke being able to compete with Jiraiya without Amaterasu, personally I would have banned his ability to manipulate the flames as he did against A, rather than banning the whole jutsu in and of itself. The banning of Enton would equal out Sasuke with Jiraiya even when his Sage Genjutsu is banned. I also find that setting up scenarios are far better than just one straight stand-up fight.
Here's my decision: Jiraiya wins with low difficulty assuming Sasuke has no Tsukiyomi or Amaterasu. Only when Sasuke has Amaterasu without Enton can he make it a high difficulty matchup. If Sasuke gets Enton and Jiraiya doesn't get Frog Song, EMS Sasuke wins.
