Firstly A>B>C logic doesn't work in Naruto
So you're Pein reference is skewed. But to answer your question I do think Orochimaru could have lasted equally as long. All of the sannin could. They all have the same net amount power.If Human path tried to blitz Tsunade like it did Jiraiya, where Jiraiya blinded the path Tsunade's strike would have meant death. Against Animal path Katsuyu could probably last a while as hitting Katsuyu doesn't particularly accomplish anything, nor does cutting her. Against the dog, the acid would continually burn the dog something that wouldn't trigger the dog to multiply. In addition with Tsunade's medical ninjutsu she could immobolize the dog without directly hitting with her brute strength, so that it doesn't multiply. Preta path is useless against Tsunade as her natural raw strength is legendary and said to be far greater than Sakura's enhanced strength. With her natural strength we have seen her lift Gamabunta's sword, maneuver the sword, and put it down with perfect accuracy. People will say Asura path blitzed Tsunade. This is true but considering Tsunade has used all of her chakra healing the village the point is meaningless it's like beating sick man on his death bed. With Tsunade not having exhausted her entire reserves then a heavenly kick of pain would destroy Asura path. The missiles from Asura path were slow enough to allow Choji a chance to run from them. So what then stops Tsunade from avoiding them? Against Naraka path it turns into a taijutsu battle which Tsunade would win and his killing tech involves grabbing people by their throat which would not be to successful against Tsunade. Against Deva path Bansho Tennin would pull her in assuming Tsunade had no knowledge and thus hadn't thought of the counter as she did in the manga, then her strength would only be amplified as the tech increases the speed in which she arrives and it increases her mass because in order to have a body flying toward you, you must have a gravational pull stronger than the pull Earth has at that point. Which means if the gravational pull is stronger the weight and mass both goes up and as Force is equal to mass times acceleration he'd only be making Tsunade's attack much stronger. All she would have to do is throw a punch or land a kick as she is flying through the air. Against Shinra Tensei Tsunade has already tanked it without healing herself. Against Chibaku Tensei Katsuyu has already tanked it, and we've seen Katsuyu protect people despite extreme gravitational force (during Shinra Tensei), so she would need only protect Tsunade during Shinra Tensei. Though given the whole F= MA thing I do wonder how much stronger Tsunade's attack would be as a result of CT. Anyway then Tsunade only needs to wait out Pein's jutsu as CT requires a lot of chakra and is difficult to maintain. While I do think Tsunade would be overwhelmed by pain and would lose I was making the point that the Sannin have the capabilities to go toe to toe with strong opponents and the fact that Jiraiya did it doesn't mean another Sannin couldn't. They all have the same effective power level.
ur point of tsunade fighting pain is ryt but this only holds true when she is fighting one on one against the 6 paths. She cant fight 3 paths at the same time, while j-man can n he proved that while fighting pain
he could have fought all the 6paths if he would have knew about them. J-man was able to kill 3paths along with their summonings
i doubt oro. would able to do that because he is nt having any techniques to kill that dog summoning
If we talk j-man vs oro, j-man will win because oro cant escape the great toads belly or mouth like itachi did just because he had amaterasu
Jiraiya was able to stand up to 4-tailed Naruto. If I recall, Orochimaru would have died if Kabuto hadn't stepped in to save his hindquarters. Jiraiya fought Orochimaru 1-1 w/out sage mode and was winning in gen 1. Granted Orochimaru couldn't make hand signs, but he has really never used them in the past except for summoning techniques (which Kabuto performed for him anyway). Seriously, do you think Orochimaru could have stood up to Pain, the GOD!!!!, even half as long as Jiraiya did? Orochimaru would have run out of replacement bodies in under 5 minutes.
Orochimaru is the strongest sannin, thats an indisputable fact.
All 5 Kage stood their ground against 5 EMS users. All 5 Kage are above Sannin tier. She is the best support ninja in the manga, that's for sure but she is also the strongest ninja. One hit and your dead. Both Orochimaru and Tsunade can use their strongest jutsu right off the bat but Jiraiya requires prep. Without SM, J-man is not on Sannin level. It's extremely difficult to fight and prep at the same time, against Tsunade and Orochimaru, J-man is not going to have time to prep.
Jiraiya cannot do better than Tsunade against 5 Madara. He won't get the time to prep for SM.
Tsunade has bijuu level chakra, she is the most durable character in the manga and she can heal her injuries instantly. Jiraiya has nothing in his arsenal to defeat Tsunade.
I'm not to sure about anyone else but I think based on recent showing she is on Jiraiya level or above but lower than Orochimaru.
Enter rehab quick I think your on drugs. How can you say Jiraiya without SM is not on Sannin level when we only discovered SM before he died and was fighting Pain who has the Rinnegan. Go to naruto.wikia.com and check out J-mans arsenal compared to Tsunade. Oh and remember the type of Chakra level you need in order to achieve SM. Just to level it out. Jiraiya and Oro could go toe to toe with each other and its funny how if Tsunade thought she could still take him at this point she wouldn't have drugged him. I'm just not so sure where people come up with this stuff.
ur point of tsunade fighting pain is ryt but this only holds true when she is fighting one on one against the 6 paths. She cant fight 3 paths at the same time, while j-man can n he proved that while fighting pain
he could have fought all the 6paths if he would have knew about them. J-man was able to kill 3paths along with their summonings
i doubt oro. would able to do that because he is nt having any techniques to kill that dog summoning
If we talk j-man vs oro, j-man will win because oro cant escape the great toads belly or mouth like itachi did just because he had amaterasu
The major power houses of Pein is Deva path followed by Animal path.
However, Tsunade could take out Human Path, Preta Path, and Naraka Path at once.
Taking on the powerhouses at with more than one path present is a different story. But given the fact that she has Katsuyu to help she can probably take on Human, Preta, and Animal together. The sannin all have the same powerlevel. While Oro may not be able to kill the dog he can hold him still with the use of snakes or poison it making it incapable of moving. Against human path's blitz he could use his sword of Kusunagi. His 8 branches would destroy animal paths other summonings.
It says she's slower than Raikage who is the second fastest man on Earth. So that means Jiraiya and Orochimaru are both slower than him as well.
So your saying her healing prowess can't handle a Oodama Rasengan when she has regenerated her stomach the vital organs, nerves, bones, spinal cord, blood various other properties of her stomach 4 times (3 separate Susanoo swords, and 3 yasaka magatamas
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Healed from the heavenly transfer technique and managed to stay in one piece when it was supposed to rip her to shreds
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She also managed to tank Nagato's Shinra Tensei full powered without healing herself wheras Gamabunta and the other toads were incapacitated by the sheer force of a weaker shinra tensei.
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So the mix of her durability and healing would make it difficult for anyone to take her out that easily.QUOTE]
So her healing ablities will just prolong her lost she will still lose and the longer she has that seal the more dangerous it is it dosen't surprise me that you think Tsunade > Jiraya since your the same person who said Tsuande > Itachi.
It says she's slower than Raikage who is the second fastest man on Earth. So that means Jiraiya and Orochimaru are both slower than him as well.
So your saying her healing prowess can't handle a Oodama Rasengan when she has regenerated her stomach the vital organs, nerves, bones, spinal cord, blood various other properties of her stomach 4 times (3 separate Susanoo swords, and 3 yasaka magatamas
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Healed from the heavenly transfer technique and managed to stay in one piece when it was supposed to rip her to shreds
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She also managed to tank Nagato's Shinra Tensei full powered without healing herself wheras Gamabunta and the other toads were incapacitated by the sheer force of a weaker shinra tensei.
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So the mix of her durability and healing would make it difficult for anyone to take her out that easily.QUOTE]
So her healing ablities will just prolong her lost she will still lose and the longer she has that seal the more dangerous it is it dosen't surprise me that you think Tsunade > Jiraya since your the same person who said Tsuande > Itachi.
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Firstly, you obviously are not reading, or can't read accurately; take your pick. I said Tsunade=Jiraiya=Orochimaru Furthermore, she would only need to hit him once to take him out. Which as per her fighting style she would keep attacking without relent. Given her feat with Gamabunta's sword she can jump further than Jiraiya so he can't actually get away from her. He'd be forced into a taijutsu match. Which even the databooks say he is inferior at.
Secondly, you obviously didn't read that thread as I said Tsunade wouldn't win but it wouldn't be an easy defeat as most people think it would. Tsunade loses to Itachi not because of skill but because of tools acquired. You really don't have an argument to counter that besides popular consensus. When popular consensus also said Tsunade being impaled by the Susanoo sword would spell death for her, or when popular consensus stated that Itachi and Sasuke would spank Kabuto like a 5 year old in k-mart. Popular consensus can be wrong and thus doesn't hold weight. So before you come at me feeling you hold superior ground I suggest you actually read and understand what I'm saying.
The major power houses of Pein is Deva path followed by Animal path.
However, Tsunade could take out Human Path, Preta Path, and Naraka Path at once.
Taking on the powerhouses at with more than one path present is a different story. But given the fact that she has Katsuyu to help she can probably take on Human, Preta, and Animal together. The sannin all have the same powerlevel. While Oro may not be able to kill the dog he can hold him still with the use of snakes or poison it making it incapable of moving. Against human path's blitz he could use his sword of Kusunagi. His 8 branches would destroy animal paths other summonings.
snakes cant hold that dog, u hv seen that it can multiply n no ninjutsu wrk on it effectively...
while tsunade cn take human n preta but i doubt abt animal because the summonings r too strong...but i guess she would hv hard time taking it down
j-man toad r gr8 when it comes to taijutsu compares to katsuyu
thts coz orochimaru is constantly weaken by all the experiments he performs on himself....n he had to perform those experiments coz he wasnt strong enuf. He couldnt take on Itachi by himself....n Itachi himself confessed that Jiraya can take on Itachi and Kisame by himself.
Furthermore, Sasuke defeated Oro wen Oro was sick. But Itachi could have defeated Sasuke while being sick....So tht proves how weak Oro was.
Kabuto absorbed Oro but then he had to absorb so many other ninja's to be strong enuf but still was defeated by Itachi.
Jiraya died only so that he could pass on the msg to naruto...thts being considerate. He could have escaped and regained and came back and defeated Nagato. But he wanted Naruto to grow coz of the prophecy. He is the one who trained Yellow flash and Naruto and Nagato. In Naruto series, he fought at 30% strength while saving Tsunade against Oro. He is the greatest sannin.
Tsunade...i admire her a lot but in a battle, Jiraya can defeat her coz of countless number of nin, gen and sage mode combat.
snakes cant hold that dog, u hv seen that it can multiply n no ninjutsu wrk on it effectively...
while tsunade cn take human n preta but i doubt abt animal because the summonings r too strong...but i guess she would hv hard time taking it down
j-man toad r gr8 when it comes to taijutsu compares to katsuyu
The problem the summons will have with Katsuyu is being able to harm her and dealing with her acid not actually taijutsu.
When I say snakes I don't mean Orochimaru's tiny snakes I mean snakes like
Wow after watching jirayiya fight against nagato.. I dn't orochimaru would be able to give pain so much trouble. if he was in jarayiya shoes as for tsunade she is d weakest.. I think jirayiya nd orochimaru are the ones that u can match and dn't forget that back when they were group jirayiya was the leader of the group:noc:
thts coz orochimaru is constantly weaken by all the experiments he performs on himself....n he had to perform those experiments coz he wasnt strong enuf. He couldnt take on Itachi by himself....n Itachi himself confessed that Jiraya can take on Itachi and Kisame by himself.
Furthermore, Sasuke defeated Oro wen Oro was sick. But Itachi could have defeated Sasuke while being sick....So tht proves how weak Oro was.
Kabuto absorbed Oro but then he had to absorb so many other ninja's to be strong enuf but still was defeated by Itachi.
Jiraya died only so that he could pass on the msg to naruto...thts being considerate. He could have escaped and regained and came back and defeated Nagato. But he wanted Naruto to grow coz of the prophecy. He is the one who trained Yellow flash and Naruto and Nagato. In Naruto series, he fought at 30% strength while saving Tsunade against Oro. He is the greatest sannin.
Tsunade...i admire her a lot but in a battle, Jiraya can defeat her coz of countless number of nin, gen and sage mode combat.
Orochimaru>Jiraiya>Tsunade>Orochimaru. That's the way things are. Also, Tsunade may do better against madara, but she definitely wouldnt be able to even scratch pain. and she's dying after this war, guaranteed.
Your so bloody ignorant, i LOVE oro AS A VILLAIN - hes the best character - as character goes - but that doesn't make him the most powerful. I am no Oro hater, and i havent taken 'naruto' seriously - its a cartoon - honestly your the one flaming lol.
Furthermore - Oro couldn't beat an Edo Tensei so idk wtf ur going on about with that statement.
Last Jiraiya doesn't need prep for sage mode....did u watch him fight pein? he summoned ma and pa to get nature energy for him. your a blithering moron and you cant see past your toes. Shame.
8 Branches would overwhelm Jiraiya. Ninjutsu is Jiraiya's specialty whereas the 8 branches is a large taijutu bout. Jiraiya doesn't have the physical strength to stand against it and given the nature of the snakes size the majority of Jiraiya's techs will fade in comparison to 8 branches. Gamabunta would be killed by Manda. His other toad summons would die to Oro's other snakes especially given the poison factor.
LOL your assuming that you know exactly how a battle would go between them, you cant outright say that Manda > Gamabuunta or that 8 branch > Jiraiya summons. and you DEFINATELY cant say that 8 branch = overwhelming Jiraiya, how about you go watch some more of him - his summons, and his giant rasengan techniques (keep in mind he can do all of these without a shadow clone as has mastered this more than Naruto, duh)
He fought ALL of Pein's summons. and theyre a lot better than Manda and 8 branch as far as im concerned - everyone overplays Oro so much, i love his character and hes the best villain - but seriously hes not as strong as so many people make him out to be.
