jiraiya is the weakest sannins

[Jukain]

Dont agree at all

 

[burnfireblaze]

J man is defaintly above tsunade for the fact that he was able to hold of against from the so6p for as long as he did and the only reason tsunade is at all strong Is the fact that she has knowledge of medical jutsu so she know how to stably control her chakra hers and Sakuras chakras are probly close to the same she base no where near the chakra of a tailed beast she just mows how to manage it

 

[Shashank kr]

i think tsunade is the weakekst sanin despite having a lot of chakra she can't use many jutsu as compared to j.Man

 

[Tazzilla88]

Jeeezzz ur such an oro fanboy lol, anyone that ever talks down oro, ur there to attempt to prove them wrong.

please explain to me what makes hydra mode (8 branch) so great that is can beat sage mode jiraiya. we saw the technique for literally 2 minutes and then Oro got sealed - how can you assume that 8 branch is that great of a technique, its a giant snake - im pretty sure that sage mode jiraiya with pa and ma would dominate - giant rasengan oro easy - use genjutsu etc,

your so blind about Oro - hes not THAT strong, jesus. hes on par with Tsunade and Jiraiya. God damn.

8 Branches would overwhelm Jiraiya. Ninjutsu is Jiraiya's specialty whereas the 8 branches is a large taijutu bout. Jiraiya doesn't have the physical strength to stand against it and given the nature of the snakes size the majority of Jiraiya's techs will fade in comparison to 8 branches. Gamabunta would be killed by Manda. His other toad summons would die to Oro's other snakes especially given the poison factor.

One I seen that, -__- I stopped reading.
Lmao! Incredibly Incorrect!! She has a immense amount of chakra but on the level of a bijuu? lol must be a fanboy thread.

Tell me where tailed beast levels start. Raikage was said to have tailed beast levels of chakra and feat wise in terms of chakra use he hasn't outshown Tsunade.
Tsunade herself has said that medical ninjutsu requires a lot of chakra. Yet she's healed 3 kages back to 100% when two of them were very close to death. Add to that the fact that she must have given Oonoki a lot of chakra during the group attack as that Jinton was far larger than any Jinton he has ever produced even at full chakra. Then add in the fact that Tsunade healed from the Heavenly Transfer technique, 3 Susuanoo swords and 3 Yasaka Magatamas and has not yet complained of being low on chakrs and the implication that she has tailed beast leveled chakra doesn't sound so absurd

 

[jtolliver87]

Ok orochimaru is the strongest
Jariya in middle
Tsunade is last


But jariya can't beat orochimaru 's hydra mode
And if fight to the death won't receive prep time for SM witch would still be useless against hydra... Fight to death oro wins base and hydra oro is faster I believe jariya is phyically stronger (not by much thou) but phyical attacks are rendered useless against oro he got his body ripped in half by 4tailed naruto and just reattached it and Thts when oro is sick
And he has sword of kansanji also tht can cut through anything
Jariya cannot beat orochimaru at all
Orochimaru base >>jariya
Jariya sage mode >=orochimaru base (his duribilty is out of control I still Dnt see jariya winning even with sage mode)
Orochimaru hydra>>>>>>>>>>>>jariya base and sage mode

Tsunade phyically is stronger then jariya and her healing abilities is insane there about the same speed also from these past chapters she cannot die in battle when seal is released also taking this in consider she man handled susannos she can do it to jariya

Tsunade base >=jariya base
Jariya sage mode >>tsunade base
Tsunde unsealed >>jariya sage mode

Fight to death I believe jariya would lose against both tbh
His only thing is sage mode and tht is outclassed by final forms of oro and tsunade

Prep time is irrelevant because jman would find a way......if he could fight the 6 paths + their summons etc etc and manage to still achieve SM wtf is Oro gonna do to stop him?:shrug:

 

[Rdnick114]

Jiraiya was able to stand up to 4-tailed Naruto. If I recall, Orochimaru would have died if Kabuto hadn't stepped in to save his hindquarters. Jiraiya fought Orochimaru 1-1 w/out sage mode and was winning in gen 1. Granted Orochimaru couldn't make hand signs, but he has really never used them in the past except for summoning techniques (which Kabuto performed for him anyway). Seriously, do you think Orochimaru could have stood up to Pain, the GOD!!!!, even half as long as Jiraiya did? Orochimaru would have run out of replacement bodies in under 5 minutes.

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[Multiply]

Poisoned J-man(could barely lift himself after falling) Vs Sick Oro(no Ninjutsu) they are about equal. 100% health, Oro>J-man. :shrug:

 

[Tazzilla88]

Jiraiya was able to stand up to 4-tailed Naruto. If I recall, Orochimaru would have died if Kabuto hadn't stepped in to save his hindquarters. Jiraiya fought Orochimaru 1-1 w/out sage mode and was winning in gen 1. Granted Orochimaru couldn't make hand signs, but he has really never used them in the past except for summoning techniques (which Kabuto performed for him anyway). Seriously, do you think Orochimaru could have stood up to Pain, the GOD!!!!, even half as long as Jiraiya did? Orochimaru would have run out of replacement bodies in under 5 minutes.

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Firstly A>B>C logic doesn't work in Naruto
So you're Pein reference is skewed. But to answer your question I do think Orochimaru could have lasted equally as long. All of the sannin could. They all have the same net amount power.If Human path tried to blitz Tsunade like it did Jiraiya, where Jiraiya blinded the path Tsunade's strike would have meant death. Against Animal path Katsuyu could probably last a while as hitting Katsuyu doesn't particularly accomplish anything, nor does cutting her. Against the dog, the acid would continually burn the dog something that wouldn't trigger the dog to multiply. In addition with Tsunade's medical ninjutsu she could immobolize the dog without directly hitting with her brute strength, so that it doesn't multiply. Preta path is useless against Tsunade as her natural raw strength is legendary and said to be far greater than Sakura's enhanced strength. With her natural strength we have seen her lift Gamabunta's sword, maneuver the sword, and put it down with perfect accuracy. People will say Asura path blitzed Tsunade. This is true but considering Tsunade has used all of her chakra healing the village the point is meaningless it's like beating sick man on his death bed. With Tsunade not having exhausted her entire reserves then a heavenly kick of pain would destroy Asura path. The missiles from Asura path were slow enough to allow Choji a chance to run from them. So what then stops Tsunade from avoiding them? Against Naraka path it turns into a taijutsu battle which Tsunade would win and his killing tech involves grabbing people by their throat which would not be to successful against Tsunade. Against Deva path Bansho Tennin would pull her in assuming Tsunade had no knowledge and thus hadn't thought of the counter as she did in the manga, then her strength would only be amplified as the tech increases the speed in which she arrives and it increases her mass because in order to have a body flying toward you, you must have a gravational pull stronger than the pull Earth has at that point. Which means if the gravational pull is stronger the weight and mass both goes up and as Force is equal to mass times acceleration he'd only be making Tsunade's attack much stronger. All she would have to do is throw a punch or land a kick as she is flying through the air. Against Shinra Tensei Tsunade has already tanked it without healing herself. Against Chibaku Tensei Katsuyu has already tanked it, and we've seen Katsuyu protect people despite extreme gravitational force (during Shinra Tensei), so she would need only protect Tsunade during Shinra Tensei. Though given the whole F= MA thing I do wonder how much stronger Tsunade's attack would be as a result of CT. Anyway then Tsunade only needs to wait out Pein's jutsu as CT requires a lot of chakra and is difficult to maintain. While I do think Tsunade would be overwhelmed by pain and would lose I was making the point that the Sannin have the capabilities to go toe to toe with strong opponents and the fact that Jiraiya did it doesn't mean another Sannin couldn't. They all have the same effective power level.

 

[Prime Rib]

j-man of course was the strongest of the sannins

 

[Troyg39]

I know I'll be the only one in this, but I'm going to say they are more so equal than anything. I think Oro just got hyped a lot in part 1, because really compared to part 2 sannins, J-Man taking down 2 pein with SM and Tsunade having cracking Susanoo with her strength and having that Hashi like regeneration ability made Oro seem a little less impressive. We pretty much saw all of Oro's tricks in part 1 and I think he'd have a hard time beating either of them.

Not saying Oro isn't still badass, but it would be tough beating an opponent you can't damage and who can puch your lights out at the same time. And J-Man's SM is pretty powerful also. I know it takes time for prep but if he can get that time against pein I'm sure he could get it against the other Sannin. So I say it's a tie

 

[spatha]

haha no way tsunade could beat jman if he were determined to kill her. Yes she has super strength and healing but other than that what profound skill has she shown? nothing. Madara has already stated that she is stronger than A, which arguably makes her strongest in the anime but he followed it with saying she is a good bit slower than him as well. While that was compared to A, it can just as easily be said that jman stands a good chance of dodging her as well. That said lets take her ability to one hit kill the planet off the list...healing, ok she can instant regen, but that takes chakra, if she can do no or little damage to jman but keeps having to regrow organs after each rasengan hit, she will run out pretty quickly. And as far as oro, its far tougher for jman but i still think he could beat him with sage mode, it gives him the strength and speed to overpower him and we have seen him use sealing techs so it stands to reason he has some effective ones vs oro. You may ask how he could go sage mode? the same way he did against the 2 or 3 pein paths + path summons...summon gamabunta, ma and pa, and any other assortment of toads to battle while he remains still and gathers chakra. Honestly the only people i see getting around that SM strategy is minato with FTG, A with augmented speed, current naruto, and possibly sasuke simply because he has to have gotten a speed boost to somehow match narutos new speed.

 

[soulreaper11]

Orochimaru is the strongest sannin, thats an indisputable fact.

All 5 Kage stood their ground against 5 EMS users. All 5 Kage are above Sannin tier. She is the best support ninja in the manga, that's for sure but she is also the strongest ninja. One hit and your dead. Both Orochimaru and Tsunade can use their strongest jutsu right off the bat but Jiraiya requires prep. Without SM, J-man is not on Sannin level. It's extremely difficult to fight and prep at the same time, against Tsunade and Orochimaru, J-man is not going to have time to prep.

Jiraiya cannot do better than Tsunade against 5 Madara. He won't get the time to prep for SM.

Tsunade has bijuu level chakra, she is the most durable character in the manga and she can heal her injuries instantly. Jiraiya has nothing in his arsenal to defeat Tsunade.



I'm not to sure about anyone else but I think based on recent showing she is on Jiraiya level or above but lower than Orochimaru.

what do yah guys think?

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not because of your statement but your so call facts.First of all jiraiya is already at a Sannin level sage mode to jiraya is a extra boost.it is like when itachi activitive his MS sure he is at the same level but MS gives him a boost.Jiraya has better ninjutsu that tsunade as we seen from his fights with pain and oro he has a vast amount of combination attacks that he can do by himself or with his summoning where as tsunade has none by herself or with he summoning.tsunade is by far the best support character in NARUTO hands down but she has yet shown the ability to hold her own in a match up against an opponent of her own strength were jiraiya has shown in close,mid, and far range.

 

[Madromanoff]

I know I'll be the only one in this, but I'm going to say they are more so equal than anything. I think Oro just got hyped a lot in part 1, because really compared to part 2 sannins, J-Man taking down 2 pein with SM and Tsunade having cracking Susanoo with her strength and having that Hashi like regeneration ability made Oro seem a little less impressive. We pretty much saw all of Oro's tricks in part 1 and I think he'd have a hard time beating either of them.

Not saying Oro isn't


Oh man this thread is full of sick ppl. Only the fact that none of the akatsuki members dared trying capture naruto when he was training with jiraiya. Oro himself said he cant take itachi down. While itachi said it would end in a stalemate. To make pain show his all paths is incredible. Simply jiraiya is best, oro is good and tsunade can barely fight madara. And tsunade was frieghtened when jiraiya said he would kill him.

 

[Tazzilla88]

I know I'll be the only one in this, but I'm going to say they are more so equal than anything. I think Oro just got hyped a lot in part 1, because really compared to part 2 sannins, J-Man taking down 2 pein with SM and Tsunade having cracking Susanoo with her strength and having that Hashi like regeneration ability made Oro seem a little less impressive. We pretty much saw all of Oro's tricks in part 1 and I think he'd have a hard time beating either of them.

Not saying Oro isn't


Oh man this thread is full of sick ppl. Only the fact that none of the akatsuki members dared trying capture naruto when he was training with jiraiya. Oro himself said he cant take itachi down. While itachi said it would end in a stalemate. To make pain show his all paths is incredible. Simply jiraiya is best, oro is good and tsunade can barely fight madara. And tsunade was frieghtened when jiraiya said he would kill him.

Tsunade wasn't frightened she was startled. Not to mention Jiraiya nor Orochimaru knew about Tsunade's yin seal release which means he would have went into battle underestimating her. Jiraiya may have more diversity in jutsu than her but a saying in my kung fu class goes " It doesn't matter if a man has mastered one technique or one thousand because the man who has mastered his one technique can use it perfectly and adjust it to any situation beating the master of 1000" That is too say he may have more ways to kill but in a 1 vs 1 situation that doesn't guarantee him the win. Regardless over all strength isn't determined by 1 vs 1 fights.

 

[Naruto9001]

Are you kiding me you dumb troll? Tsunade is the weakest she stands -0 chance aganist Jiraya katsuya can be counteed by gamabuta and Tsunade's strength is usless because like Madara said she's slow Jiraya would dodge her and Oodama rasengan her ass.

 

[shinobu sensui]

J man is the strongest sannin, he's just the only one that can be killed. Tsudande of oro can't put up the same caliber of fight that j man can but their ability to be killed and just cOntinue fighting gives them an edge

 

[Madromanoff]

Tsunade wasn't frightened she was startled. Not to mention Jiraiya nor Orochimaru knew about Tsunade's yin seal release which means he would have went into battle underestimating her. Jiraiya may have more diversity in jutsu than her but a saying in my kung fu class goes " It doesn't matter if a man has mastered one technique or one thousand because the man who has mastered his one technique can use it perfectly and adjust it to any situation beating
it was never about no of jutsu afterall the statement was of jiraiya of course. And when i mean frieghtened i meant that jiraiya said he will kill her if she betrayed konoha and she tried changing the topic. And jiraiya was first choice as 4th hokage among the 3 sannin clarifying his strength.

 

[izunaxems]

hello everyone, thank you people for making this thread go in the hottest category.
i dearly appreciate your hardwork in this argument even thought the fight has not been settled............btw thank you people very much!

 

[hit a lick]

jman is sronger than orochimaru. jman became a sage orochimaru didnt. **** kabuto is strogner than orochimaru now

 

[Tazzilla88]

Are you kiding me you dumb troll? Tsunade is the weakest she stands -0 chance aganist Jiraya katsuya can be counteed by gamabuta and Tsunade's strength is usless because like Madara said she's slow Jiraya would dodge her and Oodama rasengan her ass.

Firstly Madara never said she was slow.

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It says she's slower than Raikage who is the second fastest man on Earth. So that means Jiraiya and Orochimaru are both slower than him as well.
So your saying her healing prowess can't handle a Oodama Rasengan when she has regenerated her stomach the vital organs, nerves, bones, spinal cord, blood various other properties of her stomach 4 times (3 separate Susanoo swords, and 3 yasaka magatamas

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Healed from the heavenly transfer technique and managed to stay in one piece when it was supposed to rip her to shreds

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She also managed to tank Nagato's Shinra Tensei full powered without healing herself wheras Gamabunta and the other toads were incapacitated by the sheer force of a weaker shinra tensei.

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So the mix of her durability and healing would make it difficult for anyone to take her out that easily.

it was never about no of jutsu afterall the statement was of jiraiya of course. And when i mean frieghtened i meant that jiraiya said he will kill her if she betrayed konoha and she tried changing the topic. And jiraiya was first choice as 4th hokage among the 3 sannin clarifying his strength.

Orochimaru was the original choice for 4th hokage but the third thought he was too twisted and gave the position to Minato
After Orochimaru killed the third it is true that Jiraiya was offered the position of hokage before Tsunade, but considering Tsunade was not even close to the village to the point that Jiraiya (a intel recon specialist) had to search for her it would have been impossible to choose her. Add that to the fact that she didn't originally want the job.
Jiraiya also said he would kill Pein. But he underestimated him, just as he was underestimating Tsunade.