Izuna Theory is DEAD guys

[NarutoKage2]

It's Izuna.
What Madara said and Izuna's death back then are not valid.
Itachi left Naruto some powers before death, and now he is walking around.
Gaara was basically dead, he is walking around.
Most of Konoha was killed by Nagato, alive.
Madara died in battle with Hashirama, survived to meet Nagato and now walking around.
Tobi is Madara according to databook, now he is not.

See ?
Ur argument is invalid for I have an owl.

Why is'nt it valid? If you want to invalidate any statement like that, without offering any proof then i can also say Tobi is the ramen guy, and say anything that goes against it is'nt valid as well.Try to be logical, ANY guess on who Tobi is is pure speculation at this point, he could be anyone its all guesses. Kishi knows all and will reveal all.


@OP: Having said that^^ in my opinion, its not Izuna and i agree but for other reasons. Lets say Tobi takes off his mask right now. Who has ever seen Izuna's face that is alive today? How would anyone even recognize him? The oldest living shinobi today was'nt even born when Izuna was dead(with the possible exception of Onooki, but he is'nt coming to Naruto's location), how is anyone supposed to know what he looks like? Its not like they have him on the cover of newsweek, lol.

And i know Edo Madara would know, but as long as he's fighting the 5 kages, then Tobi it would seem would have to be someone either Killer Bee, Kakashi or someone from the joint shinobi force knows by face(minus the Kages, they are'nt coming to Tobi's location). Its pointless for Kishi to give Tobi a mask and make him not take it off like that otherwise. Think about this:

In front of only Naruto and Bee, Tobi still refused to take off his mask and said they'd have to work for it to know what's behind it. Why would Izuna, who neither Bee or Naruto has EVER seen, give two fcks about showing his face then...? It should'nt have mattered.

 

[~WastelandSociety~]

Listen about this "crossroads" business. No that is Bullsh*t. Kakashi was dead full on dead like EVERYONE ELSE IN KONOHA but they were all bought back yet weren't waiting around in some crossroads.

'Crossroads' is just a place between life and the afterlife. Kakashi was died,and at the crossroad with his dad who wasn't able to move on to the afterlife,cause he wasn't ready.

 

[uhIpooped]

Then in the next link (page) Madara said "This is his doing....He definitely has somthing in mind...But what? Things don't seem to be going as according to plan very well."


So he know who Tobi is(the masked man) and made a plan with Tobi that involves reviving him/the moon eye plan.

Kabuto also says he is "His" assistant..

If you move on to the Next chapter...

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You'll see Kabuto say that he's unsure the fake Madara will follow the plan..

pretty much sounding like he was talking smack... I don't think Madara would let someone talk smack about his lil bro...

 

[Sasuke2]

Why is'nt it valid? If you want to invalidate any statement like that, without offering any proof then i can also say Tobi is the ramen guy, and say anything that goes against it is'nt valid as well.Try to be logical, ANY guess on who Tobi is is pure speculation at this point, he could be anyone its all guesses. Kishi knows all and will reveal all.


@OP: Having said that^^ in my opinion, its not Izuna and i agree but for other reasons. Lets say Tobi takes off his mask right now. Who has ever seen Izuna's face that is alive today? How would anyone even recognize him? The oldest living shinobi today was'nt even born when Izuna was dead(with the possible exception of Onooki, but he is'nt coming to Naruto's location), how is anyone supposed to know what he looks like? Its not like they have him on the cover of newsweek, lol.

And i know Edo Madara would know, but as long as he's fighting the 5 kages, then Tobi it would seem would have to be someone either Killer Bee, Kakashi or someone from the joint shinobi force knows by face(minus the Kages, they are'nt coming to Tobi's location). Its pointless for Kishi to give Tobi a mask and make him not take it off like that otherwise. Think about this:

In front of only Naruto and Bee, Tobi still refused to take off his mask and said they'd have to work for it to know what's behind it. Why would Izuna, who neither Bee or Naruto has EVER seen, give two fcks about showing his face then...? It should'nt have mattered.

Izuna looks similar to Madara ... and kinda like Sasuke.

 

[NarutoKage2]

Izuna looks similar to Madara ... and kinda like Sasuke.

Yes i agree. And that proves....what?

Hmmm let's see. Tobi takes off his mask.

Naruto: Damn that looks just like Sasuke!!

Bee: Let's tell Shukaku and the intel squad and ask them who it is??

Shukaku relays this info to Tsunade.

Tsunade: Do you know any uchiha who looks just like Sasuke?

Edo Madara: Who the fck is Sasuke.....??!


You get my point.

 

[Sasuke2]

Yes i agree. And that proves....what?

Hmmm let's see. Tobi takes off his mask.

Naruto: Damn that looks just like Sasuke!!

Bee: Let's tell Shukaku and the intel squad and ask them who it is??

Shukaku relays this info to Tsunade.

Tsunade: Do you know any uchiha who looks just like Sasuke?

Edo Madara: Who the fck is Sasuke.....??!


You get my point.

Kyubi knows who he is, Kakashi also has a brain.
Again, who do you think it is ?

I can 100% tell you it's not a character they personally know.
And I can give you evidence it's Izuna

 

[Strata Uchiha]

And didn't Kishi say Tobi was Madara?!??!? Yes......what's your point?!?!?

I don't believe Tobi is Madara. You shouldn't either.



^ As you can see here, Tobi is obviously very angry that Naruto and Kabuto have found him out to be a complete fraud which is why he doesn't care what you call him nowadays.

 

[NarutoKage2]

Kyubi knows who he is, Kakashi also has a brain.
Again, who do you think it is ?

I can 100% tell you it's not a character they personally know.
And I can give you evidence it's Izuna

About the bolded, read this thread that i made:

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Kyuubi recognizing Tobi does'nt rule out anything.

And Kakashi's sensei Minato was'nt even born when Izuna was already dead so you fail.

That's just your opinion that its not someone they know.

My opinion is undecided, unlike you i'm not stupid enough to state speculation as fact, but if you really want to know what i think then i'm leaning towards Shisui(i have my reasons).

 

[~WastelandSociety~]

Kabuto also says he is "His" assistant..

If you move on to the Next chapter...

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You'll see Kabuto say that he's unsure the fake Madara will follow the plan..

pretty much sounding like he was talking smack... I don't think Madara would let someone talk smack about his lil bro...

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Kabuto only say's "His" cause he doesn't know who Tobi really is...Madara said it cause Kishi doesn't want to reveal Tobi true identity yet.
Also he wasn't talking smack, madara himself was "unsure" in Tobi cause everything isn't going as planned.

Plus I doubt Kishi/Madara would blow Tobis cover.

About the bolded, read this thread that i made:

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Kyuubi recognizing Tobi does'nt rule out anything.

And Kakashi's sensei Minato was'nt even born when Izuna was already dead so you fail.

That's just your opinion that its not someone they know.

My opinion is undecided, unlike you i'm not stupid enough to state speculation as fact, but if you really want to know what i think then i'm leaning towards Shisui(i have my reasons).

Well theres evidence showing Tobi could be Izuna (which makes sense).
If Tobi isn't Izuna,then he's just a new character or madara clone (which is probably why he call himself "no one".)

As for Shisui,I can say maybe not ,heres one reason:

1.Shisui entrusted his last eye to Itachi telling him to protect the village. Why would he later return wanting to destory something that he died protecting.

But if you want to believe its Shisui,then thats all you. I got my reason why it's not Shisui,and it's either Izuna,Madara clone,or just a new character.

BTW you might bring up "Then why does he still wear the mask..No one knows Izuna". Then I will say the mask is apart of him now. Like naruto always wanting to wear his head protector,etc

 

[NarutoKage2]

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Well theres evidence showing Tobi could be Izuna (which makes sense).
If Tobi isn't Izuna,then he's just a new character or madara clone (which is probably why he call himself "no one".)

As for Shisui,I can say maybe not ,heres one reason:

1.Shisui entrusted his last eye to Itachi telling him to protect the village. Why would he later return wanting to destory something that he died protecting.

But if you want to believe its Shisui,then thats all you. I got my reason why it's not Shisui,and it's either Izuna,Madara clone,or just a new character.

BTW you might bring up "Then why does he still wear the mask..No one knows Izuna". Then I will say the mask is apart of him now. Like naruto always wanting to wear his head protector,etc

Because Shisui wanted peace,and that's also what Tobi wants. He told Minato his aim was '...to start a war, to bring peace.' Tobi views all the death as a necessary sacrifice for achieving the ultimate peace, and Shisui was'nt averse to such forms of sacrifice either.

Well i got my reasons why its not Izuna either, but like i said its just my speculation.

That's a terrible example about Naruto's headband, i'm afraid. In the flashbacks Izuna was shown without a mask, why has it become a part of his gear now?

 

[Sasuke2]

About the bolded, read this thread that i made:

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Kyuubi recognizing Tobi does'nt rule out anything.

And Kakashi's sensei Minato was'nt even born when Izuna was already dead so you fail.

That's just your opinion that its not someone they know.

My opinion is undecided, unlike you i'm not stupid enough to state speculation as fact, but if you really want to know what i think then i'm leaning towards Shisui(i have my reasons).

Kabuto knows who Shisui is and he wanted to revive him with Edo Tensei, so Tobi can't be Shisui.
Shisui was a good guy that gave his eye to Itachi and killed himself for he could no longer handle the evil ways of Uchiha.
So no, also Tobi has knowledge from the time of Hashirama and before

So it's either Izuna or Kagami

 

[NarutoKage2]

Kabuto knows who Shisui is and he wanted to revive him with Edo Tensei, so Tobi can't be Shisui.
Shisui was a good guy that gave his eye to Itachi and killed himself for he could no longer handle the evil ways of Uchiha.
So no, also Tobi has knowledge from the time of Hashirama and before

So it's either Izuna or Kagami

Wanted to revive him but failed, and the interesting thing is when he said i could'nt find his DNA but Danzo's eye should have it over here:

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Tobi says 'don't push your luck' to Kabuto. Why would he say that? Having just two more Edo's would make no difference to him, yet he tells Kabuto to lay off when it comes to reviving Shisui.....why?

That's just the official version that he could'nt handle the evil ways of the Uchiha....and think about it. If there were a problem of ethics like that for Shisui, would he have been able to awaken the MS in the first place?? You need to kill your best friend for it to activate, or have you forgotten that?

As for knowledge, what do you think the Uchiha stone tablet is for? It contains all the info on the Uchiha and their history inscribed there in great detail. Plus we know the masked man has met Madara, so he could have learned a ton of things from that meeting as well.

In other words,none of your counters stand. Let's just stop here tho, ok? You are'nt allowed to discuss Tobi's ID outside the Tobi ID thread that has been made for it. I'll be more than happy, however to answer every one of your points and establish the possibility of this theory being true there.

 

[Sasuke2]

Wanted to revive him but failed, and the interesting thing is when he said i could'nt find his DNA but Danzo's eye should have it over here:

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Tobi says 'don't push your luck' to Kabuto. Why would he say that? Having just two more Edo's would make no difference to him, yet he tells Kabuto to lay off when it comes to reviving Shisui.....why?

That's just the official version that he could'nt handle the evil ways of the Uchiha....and think about it. If there were a problem of ethics like that for Shisui, would he have been able to awaken the MS in the first place?? You need to kill your best friend for it to activate, or have you forgotten that?

As for knowledge, what do you think the Uchiha stone tablet is for? It contains all the info on the Uchiha and their history inscribed there in great detail. Plus we know the masked man has met Madara, so he could have learned a ton of things from that meeting as well.

In other words,none of your counters stand. Let's just stop here tho, ok? You are'nt allowed to discuss Tobi's ID outside the Tobi ID thread that has been made for it. I'll be more than happy, however to answer every one of your points and establish the possibility of this theory being true there.

What about Kakashi ? did he kill his best friend ?
Also if Kabuto revived Shisui, he could use him to completely control anyone including Tobi

 

[NarutoKage2]

What about Kakashi ? did he kill his best friend ?
Also if Kabuto revived Shisui, he could use him to completely control anyone including Tobi

Kakashi was'nt an Uchiha.

Tobi also has the sharingan and a strong one at that, one that put even the Mizukage under genjutsu

 

[Sasuke2]

Also, Shisui was no older than 18 when he died.
Tobi attacked Konoha 6 years before, you want to tell the man was 12 years old Shisui ??? LOL

 

[NarutoKage2]

Also, Shisui was no older than 18 when he died.
Tobi attacked Konoha 6 years before, you want to tell the man was 12 years old Shisui ??? LOL

Proof?

Oh and it still makes more sense than a 100 something year old Izuna lol. Izuna, who's body was shown in the coffin already .

 

[Sasuke2]

Proof?

Oh and it still makes more sense than a 100 something year old Izuna lol. Izuna, who's body was shown in the coffin already .


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Shisui was too young to fight Minato back then and is too old to be Shisui, stop with the fanboyism.

 

[NarutoKage2]

I am a dumbass

I agree.
Izuna could'nt have learned space time either.

 

[Sasuke2]

What kind of problem you have ?
Stop being so offensive.

But whatever, I'm done with you.
In one thread you say Tobi was a Jinchuriky and now that he is Shisui ... so Shisui was a host ?
Good to know

 

[Avani]

I agree.
Izuna could'nt have learned space time either.

Flame wars of this kind ( and even on greate scale) over Tobi theories along with multiple of them evey day being posted led to restrictions on tobi threads.