Izuna Theory is DEAD guys

[Count Dracula]

Can't rule out that Madara kept it a secret.
Sure he said his brother gave him the eyes,and died later. Doesn't mean he later revived him before dying.
Who else can he trust with his plan. Plus again the whole Tobi making a fist while telling the story of Madara and his brother,seems like he was upset about Madara taking his brother eyes... We don't really know the whole story on Madara and Izuna. Probably Madara promise Izuna something,but Izuna end up dying. Probably Tobi is Izuna,and him making the fist shows that he was regretting that he gave the power to Madara..and now Tobi is taking the plan for him self. Like madara said,it wasn't part of the plan that Kabuto revived him and not Nagato/Tobi.


P.s Kishi is always selling us down the river.

of course its still possible

but i really dont think Kishi will tell us Izuna died, only to then have him be Tobi

and i dont think Madara has a reason to lie to the Kages either, they are ants to him

Omfg. You are doing the same my friend. You automatically take Madara's statement in only one frame of mind and refuse to think any differently - it is very shallow. We just differ on this. So what if he acknowledged his death. It does not matter that at one time he died. That's like saying Kakashi can't be fighting Tobi right now because he died we saw that he died and Kishi confirmed his death.:sy:

im not being that shallow because Kishi actually has Madara say Izuna died... actually says it

so what if he acknowledged his death? listen to yourself :sy: its a canon statement what more do you want?

I agree Madara has given enough proof to refer to his brother as being a sacrifice to have his EMS and nothing more. If he were indeed Tobi he would care a lot more about him and vice versa but the two just seem to be former allies. The two would have been wanting to fight together and we'd see some kind of bond between them like Sasuke and Itachi are doing now. The way Madara speaks of Izuna, we know they were on good terms. Tobi is not too thrilled having the real Madara around and its safe to say he has as little affection for him as all the other revived Akatsuki members.

this is very good as well :y

 

[kibaclaw]

time to get over it boys and girls

Madara said his brother died, but more importantly Madara actually knows who Tobi is

put those facts together and its obvious Tobi cannot be Izuna

its that simple

Wrong, he said he died, didn't say he was still dead. Also he lies a lot already so taking his word as truth is silly of you.

 

[Nidaime Pupil]

of course its still possible

but i really dont think Kishi will tell us Izuna died, only to then have him be Tobi

and i dont think Madara has a reason to lie to the Kages either, they are ants to him




im not being shallow because Kishi actually has Madara say Izuna died... actually says it

so what if he acknowledged his death? listen to oyurself, its a canon statement what more do you want?




this is very good as well :y

Died not dead do you understand the difference. Just like Izuna, Kakashi died but is not dead. Do you get it now? Choji says, "Kakashi-sensei died..." so that automatically makes him not alive right now right?:sy:

No! They were both revived via Rinne Tensei.

Rexoniel makes a good point.

 

[Count Dracula]

Wrong, he said he died, didn't say he was still dead. Also he lies a lot already so taking his word as truth is silly of you.

again, Kishi isnt going to say Izuna died, only to then go completely against it

 

[Necron]

I agree with you + it would be too predictable if that was the case -_-

I only wish he is not some other random guy we've never met before, like the Nagato case... I mean, everyone was so into trying to figure out who Pain was, and "tada", big dissapointment... -_- (Don't missunderstand me, Nagato is still one of my favorite characters, but still... )

 

[Count Dracula]

Died not dead do you understand the difference. Just like Izuna, Kakashi died but is not dead. Do you get it now? Choji says, "Kakashi-sensei died..." so that automatically makes him not alive right now right?:sy:

No! They were both revived via Rinne Tensei.

Rexoniel makes a good point.

again, Kishi isnt going to say Izuna died, only to then go completely against it

 

[~WastelandSociety~]

of course its still possible

but i really dont think Kishi will tell us Izuna died, only to then have him be Tobi

and i dont think Madara has a reason to lie to the Kages either, they are ants to him

Kishi told us that Kakashi was died,but look what happend,Nagato revived him. Plus Kishi said Tobi was Madara every body believe it (well most people did),but turns out it was a twist in the story.

P.s I was wrong about Tobi making a fist...I thought he did,probably in the anime,but in the manga he was clenching his arm.

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^Izuna in a casket and Tobi saying "what did my brother sacrifice his eyes for?!",etc.

 

[Nidaime Pupil]

again, Kishi isnt going to say Izuna died, only to then go completely against it

It doesn't "go against it". Think about it, if you can. It is ALL true and fact. He DID indeed die, but he was brought back and is not currently dead. (and is Tobi) but I'm done arguing with you this point is so easy to understand many others get it and you are stating the same things over and over.

You were lured into the clever trap that Kishi set, you bought too much into one caption by Madara - the entire design by Kishi and you made a thread based on that one statement. You have been given concrete reasons why this one statement does not negate the Izuna possibility and yet you continue to keep up this nonsense. There is still a chance it could not be Izuna, there is still a chance it could be him. The only other thing you said was Madara knows who Tobi is. Yeah well he does and he also knows his own brother.

 

[uhIpooped]

Yeah, no. Madara has Rinnegan and Rinne Tensei brings people back to life.

Re read the Pein arc... Nagato implied there was a time limit to the Jutsu...

 

[Count Dracula]

Kishi told us that Kakashi was died,but look what happend,Nagato revived him. Plus Kishi said Tobi was Madara every body believe it (well most people did),but turns out it was a twist in the story.

It doesn't "go against it". Think about it, if you can. It is ALL true and fact. He DID indeed die, but he was brought back and is not currently dead. (and is Tobi) but I'm done arguing with you this point is so easy to understand many others get it and you are stating the same things over and over.

it does go against it, Kishi wont go for some convoluted BS reveal like that

and what facts? you are both saying that Madara brought Izuna back to life with Rinne Tensei

that is just speculation

im the only one using manga scans as facts

You were lured into the clever trap that Kishi set, you bought too much into one caption by Madara - the entire design by Kishi and you made a thread based on that one statement. You have been given concrete reasons why this one statement does not negate the Izuna possibility and yet you continue to keep up this nonsense. There is still a chance it could not be Izuna, there is still a chance it could be him. The only other thing you said was Madara knows who Tobi is. Yeah well he does and he also knows his own brother.

youre right it doesnt negate the possibility, but you are speculating whereas i am not

Madara said Izuna died + Madara knows who Tobi is..... those are facts

i am 100% sure Tobi is not Izuna

 

[Nidaime Pupil]

youre right it doesnt negate the possibility,

i am 100% sure Tobi is not Izuna

Alright whatever man but did you forget what we are doing here? You made a thread called The Izuna theory is DEAD and clearly (and you just admitted it) it is not so there you go.

Re read the Pein arc... Nagato implied there was a time limit to the Jutsu...

I did... I saw nothing please provide the Sauce. And I don't mean the Sasuke.

 

[Count Dracula]

Alright whatever man but did you forget what we are doing here? You made a thread called The Izuna theory is DEAD and clearly (and you just admitted it) it is not so there you go.

then let me retract that statement - the Izuna theory is dead

just not to others like yourself

the facts are there, the scans are there, its irrefutable - you are just speculating

 

[uhIpooped]

Tobi is definitely Not Izuna... The counter args here are that Madara Used Rinne Tensei to bring him back...
Well check it out..
Madara took Izuna's eyes (confirmed), which was then stated Izuna died, he then had to transplant them, (which im guessing took about a week or 2 to heal) ...
Now Madara the greatest Uchiha and master fighter is not going to run into his fight with Hashi without testing his eyes... So here, add say another week .. We are at week 3, and Madara has EMS, Izuna is dead ...

Now the kicker...

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top left panel... he says "there is still enough time to save those i killed when I came to Konoha" .. implying there is a time limit.. what kind of limit? idk... but still the words are right there...

So how would Madara who didn't even get those eyes (rinnegan) till AFTER he fought with Hashi, SHORTLY before his own death .. And just somehow knew how to use Rinne Tensei, without any prior use of the rinnegan?? Even if it were only a week after Izuna died... That is seriously flawed bro...
Plus that would make him what? 100 years old+

But then again who thought we'd ever see Kurama cry... lol...

 

[~WastelandSociety~]

Tobi is definitely Not Izuna... The counter args here are that Madara Used Rinne Tensei to bring him back...
Well check it out..
Madara took Izuna's eyes (confirmed), which was then stated Izuna died, he then had to transplant them, (which im guessing took about a week or 2 to heal) ...
Now Madara the greatest Uchiha and master fighter is not going to run into his fight with Hashi without testing his eyes... So here, add say another week .. We are at week 3, and Madara has EMS, Izuna is dead ...

Now the kicker...

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top left panel... he says "there is still enough time to save those i killed when I came to Konoha" .. implying there is a time limit.. what kind of limit? idk... but still the words are right there...

So how would Madara who didn't even get those eyes (rinnegan) till AFTER he fought with Hashi, SHORTLY before his own death .. And just somehow knew how to use Rinne Tensei, without any prior use of the rinnegan?? Even if it were only a week after Izuna died... That is seriously flawed bro...
Plus that would make him what? 100 years old+

But then again who thought we'd ever see Kurama cry... lol...

"there is still enough time to save those i killed when I came to Konoha"

Doesn't mean theres a time limit. He was nearly on the brink of death from the chakra he used up.

By channelling his power through the King of Hell, Nagato can re-infuse new life force energy to the dead bodies of those who have died. With their rejuvenated bodies acting as an anchor, the individual souls are then able to leave even the crossroad between life and the afterlife, returning back to their physical vessels. The technique targets all the individuals killed, even those not necessarily killed by Nagato. This technique seemingly requires a massive amount of chakra, as Konan feared the worst for Nagato when he used it after having previously expended so much chakra. Nagato also became severely weakened, his hair became increasingly thinner and greyer as he performed the technique.

Also,if theres a time limit then why was there a plan to revive Madara? Who died around Nagato timeline.

Tobi noted that this technique was originally meant to be used for his purposes. In chapter 559 the summoned Madara Uchiha is shocked that he was revived by the Impure World Resurrection technique and not this technique. Upon being summoned he also remarks that Nagato had finally grown

Like I said in my past post, Madara could have used the rinn to bring back his brother,shortly before dying. Who else can he trust with his plan.. After all his brother gave him his eyes.


That is seriously flawed bro,what you're saying. A time limit? Madara been dead longer then Jiraiya. So you can't ignore the possibility that Madara revived his brother.

 

[Ryuu..]

It's alive in my heart.

 

[Honord Sage]

time to get over it boys and girls

Madara said his brother died, but more importantly Madara actually knows who Tobi is

put those facts together and its obvious Tobi cannot be Izuna

its that simple

You are correct.

 

[uhIpooped]

"there is still enough time to save those i killed when I came to Konoha"

Doesn't mean theres a time limit. He was nearly on the brink of death from the chakra he used up.



Also,if theres a time limit then why was there a plan to revive Madara? Who died around Nagato timeline.



Like I said in my past post, Madara could have used the rinn to bring back his brother,shortly before dying. Who else can he trust with his plan.. After all his brother gave him his eyes.


That is seriously flawed bro,what you're saying. A time limit? Madara been dead longer then Jiraiya. So you can't ignore the possibility that Madara revived his brother.

Riddle me this then... If there is No 'time limit', Why didn't Nagato just revive Yahiko? One of the 2 people he cared about most, yet instead just manipulates his corpse?
If he could have brought anyone back, Why not his best friend? Most likely because he COULDN'T ... too much TIME had passed ...
You must remember also Nagato believed Yahiko was the savior .. So once again, Why not bring him back if he could...????????
Why not bring back his parents or anyone else he loved?

I'll quote the same wiki you did...

With their rejuvenated bodies acting as an anchor, the individual souls are then able to leave even the crossroads between life and the afterlife, returning back to their physical vessels.

you missed the important word there... Crossroads ..

Kakashi was in the 'crossroads' when he met his father... meaning that his soul had not moved on. And therefore was able to return to his body.
Nowhere does it say that he can bring a soul back from the other side (Heaven/Afterlife, or whatever you wanna call it). It says, "between Life, and the Afterlife" ..

So once again, Yahiko's soul had most assuredly moved on after he died, having devoted faith in Nagato. Thus Nagato was never able to reach him and bring him back...

What does Madara being dead longer than J-man have anything to do with Rinne Tesei or Madara bringing Izuna back as Tobi, and being proof that I cant ignore Madara used Rinne?

I didnt even understand that last part...

 

[Bigfoot34501]

Honestly, the Izuna comment by Madara was the first time we had solid evidence against the Izuna theory after we found out that Tobi was a liar. IMO, I think there's still a chance of Tobi being Izuna. Not as big of a chance as before, but there's still a small chance

My problem with all Tobi theories now is that I was sure that he had MS or EMS. At this point we've literally run out of MS users that Tobi could possibly be. So I'm also wondering if Tobi is a new character

 

[uhIpooped]

My problem with all Tobi theories now is that I was sure that he had MS or EMS. At this point we've literally run out of MS users that Tobi could possibly be. So I'm also wondering if Tobi is a new character

Tobi is most likely a new Char ... It'd be even better If he wasn't even an Uchiha...

 

[Nidaime Pupil]

Tobi is definitely Not Izuna... The counter args here are that Madara Used Rinne Tensei to bring him back...
Well check it out..
Madara took Izuna's eyes (confirmed), which was then stated Izuna died, he then had to transplant them, (which im guessing took about a week or 2 to heal) ...
Now Madara the greatest Uchiha and master fighter is not going to run into his fight with Hashi without testing his eyes... So here, add say another week .. We are at week 3, and Madara has EMS, Izuna is dead ...

Now the kicker...

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top left panel... he says "there is still enough time to save those i killed when I came to Konoha" .. implying there is a time limit.. what kind of limit? idk... but still the words are right there...

So how would Madara who didn't even get those eyes (rinnegan) till AFTER he fought with Hashi, SHORTLY before his own death .. And just somehow knew how to use Rinne Tensei, without any prior use of the rinnegan?? Even if it were only a week after Izuna died... That is seriously flawed bro...
Plus that would make him what? 100 years old+

But then again who thought we'd ever see Kurama cry... lol...

You added the word "enough", HAHa there is no time limit. When Madara is revived he expects it to be the Rinne Tensei and he expects it to be Nagato's doing. Why would he suspect these things if there is a time limit. DO NOT add words like enough to embellish your point. He simply says "there is still time" to bring everyone back AKA it is still possible. He could have been referring to his own chakra supply.

Yes we know Tobi is very old.

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"Do you have ANY idea how long I've waited for this."

I keep proving your arguments false and all I hear back from everyone is THE SAME ARGUMENT I JUST DISPROVED. I disprove "a" and you all just keep saying no it can't be Izuna cuz "a" happened. NO I JUST SAID THAT IS NOT 100% true. "YEAH BUT 'a' happened." :sy::sy::sy::sy: