It's Funny that most of the thing Sakura do

[BLAZE]

Parallels :vincent:

Nice thread though

 

[Koshej]

Is that only your scull can manage as a come back, that is obviously filled with copious amounts of hot air and cow fodder? Since you can't seem to grasp what characterization is. Like I said before; it is expected from a Hinata fan, given that if it wasn't for her grotesque breasts, she wouldn't have been relevant enough for a second conservation, let alone bickering on her behalf.

Then it's extremely funny how I don't even LIKE her body that much (or that there tons of FEMALE Hinata-fans).
But it was expected and predicted, though not LESS annoying.
What can I say - we live in a world full of morons that wank tsunderes in FICTION, but would definitely never want to actually LIVE with one.
Well, I happen to like characters that are similar to REAL people I like anyways, not trying to fulfill some creepy fantasy through a fictional character like SOME.

 

[Koshej]

Tsunade is much better written though

Her BEST quality is that SHE is NOT a CLONE - even if she PROVIDES clone-material.

 

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all this does is prove she's a cheap carbon copy of her master like her haters have been saying for ages.

Pretty Much, Kishi just rehash everything he did with Tsunade but fail to make it as likable.

 

[Kakooli]

I wonder how Tsunade reacted to Sakura and Sasuke's relationship.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Funny, because Sakura has redeeming qualities to her character. Quite a few, in fact. Naruto and Hinata, in fact, especially the latter? None at all.

Her redeeming qualities come down with a bunch of failures. That does not make her reedemable by any stretch. Unless you are Sakura apologist or a fan you would hype those up. Other wise she is pretty mediocre at best. Naruto had those redeeming qualities that is why he has fans. Hinata was never much relevant in the series to be judged that way.

Nope. I am pointing out the hypocrisy of most posters here. Especially the Hinata fans, who are as much of a lost cause as she herself is.

I disliked Sakura even before being a Hinata fan. Me being a Hinata fan has nothing to do with my dislike for Sakura's character. So I fail to see what hypocrisy you are trying to point out here?

Also by comparing Hinata to Sakura. Is making Sakura look worser than Hinata. Since it requires you to use a side character with not much relevance to the manga, to a main character who had all the chances to impress but couldn't. You see comparing Sakura to any of these characters will never make her sound any better. So why don't you just stop attempting a failed argument and actually defend her character with out trying to point out others?

 

[Koshej]

I disliked Sakura even before being a Hinata fan. Me being a Hinata fan has nothing to do with my dislike for Sakura's character. So I fail to see what hypocrisy you are trying to point out here?

The LOL thing is that *I* actually liked Sakura before I became a Hinata-fan and was ASSAULTED by Sakura-wankers who hate Hinata.
LOOOL!

Also by comparing Hinata to Sakura. Is making Sakura look worser than Hinata. Since it requires you to use a side character with not much relevance to the manga, to a main character who had all the chances to impress but couldn't. You see comparing Sakura to any of these characters will never make her sound any better. So why don't you just stop attempting a failed argument and actually defend her character with out trying to point out others?

An even more LOL thing is that Hinata actually HAS better character development (as in, CHANGES THROUGHOUT THE STORY), while Sakura only GETS STRONGER (and even that is through being CLONED into Tsunade, without adding anything really "Sakura" to the mix), yet stays EXACTLY the same Sasuke-FANGIRL she starts as.
MWAHAHAHA!!!

 

[Bantos]

I wonder how Tsunade reacted to Sakura and Sasuke's relationship.

She probably didn't like it.

 

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Funny thing is majority of the people defending Sakura simply because she's with Sasuke, which is pathetic, power wise Sakura has develop but character wise she's even worse than in part 1, since then you could understand that she was just a kid.

 

[Kakooli]

She probably didn't like it.

She probably threatened him. One of those "If you hurt her again I'll personally cut your balls off with my scalpel" threats.

 

[shelke]

Then it's extremely funny how I don't even LIKE her body that much (or that there tons of FEMALE Hinata-fans).
But it was expected and predicted, though not LESS annoying.
What can I say - we live in a world full of morons that wank tsunderes in FICTION, but would definitely never want to actually LIVE with one.
Well, I happen to like characters that are similar to REAL people I like anyways, not trying to fulfill some creepy fantasy through a fictional character like SOME.

All of them must be poverty stricken when it comes to tastes in good characters.

Don't know what you are going on about in the rest of your post.

Her redeeming qualities come down with a bunch of failures. That does not make her reedemable by any stretch. Unless you are Sakura apologist or a fan you would hype those up. Other wise she is pretty mediocre at best. Naruto had those redeeming qualities that is why he has fans. Hinata was never much relevant in the series to be judged that way.

I disliked Sakura even before being a Hinata fan. Me being a Hinata fan has nothing to do with my dislike for Sakura's character. So I fail to see what hypocrisy you are trying to point out here?

Also by comparing Hinata to Sakura. Is making Sakura look worser than Hinata. Since it requires you to use a side character with not much relevance to the manga, to a main character who had all the chances to impress but couldn't. You see comparing Sakura to any of these characters will never make her sound any better. So why don't you just stop attempting a failed argument and actually defend her character with out trying to point out others?

Failures? Let's see:

- Become the best medic in the entire manga in current generation.
- Figured out the entirety of Kamui Intangibility that allowed Kakashi to even devise a plan to work around Obito's defenses.
- Prepared an antidote for which Sasori himself requires a recipe. That's not be stating, but Sasori himself. Thus, saving Kankaro and strengthening the political ties between the two villages. She also battled with Chiyo to take Sasori down that praised her medic skills not once, not twice, but thrice in the same fight.
- Saw through Zetsu's guise which no one else in the entire platoon did. Saving countless Medics, and by extension thousands in the war.
- Healed thousands with Tsunade via her perfect chakra control by summoning 10% Katsuya.
- Learned all techniques without any prior clan affiliations or special allotment of powers.

Wow, those are some failures as a ninja and I totally see your point. Go on, I'll love to hear more from the likes of you. What did Hinata learn and where did she reach from where she was in part one? Still cannot do Rotation, I see. No wonder her father disowned her. What are Naruto's redeeming qualities? That fact that he abuses the same Hokage mantra? The fact that he talks about will of fire all the time? The fact that his lack of turgid statements make his love philosophy sound tedious and boring? The fact that he thought the killer of his parents was a cool guy? Or the fact that he was not even a bright individual? You can always take your pick, but trust me, I have much much more in this regard.

You know, I pointed this out to a complete moron in another thread. Define character. Don't bring out Oxford Definition, but the Oxford Literary terms definition for a Character. Given that both Hinata and Sakura are side characters. I began to point out others because you took it upon yourself to engage in a debate with me. Otherwise, I am not even least bit interested in your views on Sakura or Hinata, or anyone's for that matter. Shocking, isn't it?

 

[Koshej]

Funny thing is majority of the people defending Sakura simply because she's with Sasuke, which is pathetic, power wise Sakura has develop but character wise she's even worse than in part 1, since then you could understand that she was just a kid.

I never could understand WHY do people even like her - EXCEPT for her 'MAIN FEMALE' and 'TSUNDERE' statuses.
As a CHARACTER, she's AWFUL - statuses notwithstanding.

 

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You know, I pointed this out to a complete moron in another thread. Define character. Don't bring out Oxford Definition, but the Oxford Literary terms definition for a Character. Given that both Hinata and Sakura are side characters. I began to point out others because you took it upon yourself to engage in a debate with me. Otherwise, I am not even least bit interested in your views on Sakura or Hinata, or anyone's for that matter. Shocking, isn't it?

Sakura is not a side character, she a main character or a Tritagonist the third most important character ( or at least that's what she was suppose to be.)

 

[Koshej]

@shelke
Narutopedia begs to differ.
Sakura doesn't have any jutsus that are NOT:
*Variations of punching or kicking in the most literal sense.
*Medical jutsus that are extensions of what Tsunade knows as well.
Whereas Hinata has a jutsu that only she alone has been using ON-SCREEN:
*Juho Soshiken, while being described as a general Main branch jutsu, only has Hinata LISTED as the USER. Also, it's clearly a lot more shape-manipulation than any other Juuken jutsu, or at least it's a branch all on itself. It's NOT a copy or close imitation of ANY other jutsu.
Note:
Sakura is a MAIN character.
Hinata is a SIDE character.
Yet this SIDE character has a more UNIQUE jutsu than the MAIN one.
Thus, comparing them JUTSU-wise is stupid - and NOT in Sakura's favor.

Oh, and PERSONALITY DEVELOPMENT-wise, this is even stupider, since Sakura relapses big time to her FANGIRL (693) and/or TSUNDERE (631) self, while Hinata grew to be a brave leader WHEN NEEDED (615, 629).
As you can see, I used a MANGA reference there.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Failures? Let's see:

- Become the best medic in the entire manga in current generation.
- Figured out the entirety of Kamui Intangibility that allowed Kakashi to even devise a plan to work around Obito's defenses.
- Prepared an antidote for which Sasori himself requires a recipe. That's not be stating, but Sasori himself. Thus, saving Kankaro and strengthening the political ties between the two villages. She also battled with Chiyo to take Sasori down that praised her medic skills not once, not twice, but thrice in the same fight.
- Saw through Zetsu's guise which no one else in the entire platoon did. Saving countless Medics, and by extension thousands in the war.
- Healed thousands with Tsunade via her perfect chakra control by summoning 10% Katsuya.
- Learned all techniques without any prior clan affiliations or special allotment of powers.

None of those feats have anything to do with her character as far as I am concerned. The bulk of her feats came in the Sasori fight and the War arc. That is not very impressive compared to stature she held in this manga. I don't give a shit if she is the best medical ninja in this manga. Fact is her character never won me over. And with every little success she had, she went backwards. Stop beating around a dead horse. You are not winning this argument with these feats. I am well aware of them. I don't care for them enough, to make them sound that huge. Actually you are basically doing what I said in my last post.

Her redeeming qualities come down with a bunch of failures. That does not make her reedemable by any stretch. Unless you are Sakura apologist or a fan you would hype those up. Other wise she is pretty mediocre at best.

Meaning these feats are nothing but hype. Compared to how she was really shown in the manga. You can hype those up all you want, but fact is they did not mean much to her character as a whole. Unless you are a Sakura apologist or a fan you will hype these feats up to defend her character. Making her some what redeemable. When in the end it leaves a bad taste in a basher like me. Because they don't hold up to her failure as a character.

Wow, those are some failures as a ninja and I totally see your point. Go on, I'll love to hear more from the likes of you. What did Hinata learn and where did she reach from where she was in part one? Still cannot do Rotation, I see. No wonder her father disowned her.

Hinata was not shown much, nor was she a main character that required such a absorbing development. I am saying this because you are comparing her to Sakura. None the less at least she had parents who treated her wrong. At least she had a backstory that made people care for her. Did Sakura have any of those? I don't think so. And yes a decent backstory does make a difference. You are a writer, so you should know this.

What are Naruto's redeeming qualities? That fact that he abuses the same Hokage mantra? The fact that he talks about will of fire all the time? The fact that his lack of turgid statements make his love philosophy sound tedious and boring? The fact that he thought the killer of his parents was a cool guy? Or the fact that he was not even a bright individual? You can always take your pick, but trust me, I have much much more in this regard.

I can choose any of them and they will have much more to talk about than Sakura's whole character.

You know, I pointed this out to a complete moron in another thread. Define character. Don't bring out Oxford Definition, but the Oxford Literary terms definition for a Character. Given that both Hinata and Sakura are side characters. I began to point out others because you took it upon yourself to engage in a debate with me. Otherwise, I am not even least bit interested in your views on Sakura or Hinata, or anyone's for that matter. Shocking, isn't it?

Sakura is not a side character. In fact that thinking of itself is totally out of context to how the manga writer himself sees them as. The very fact that Kishi himself claimed in his interviews that Sakura is a heroin should mute this argument. No, you pointing out Hinata or Naruto is least bit offensive to me. In fact it makes Sakura's character look much worser when I think about it. Like I said before, you cannot compare Sakura with Hinata because one is a main character while the other is a side character. The writer himself sees it that way but you. I don't give a shit about your views of them either. So no its not shocking to me that you have no interest in my views either.

 

[shelke]

Sakura is not a side character, she a main character or a Tritagonist the third most important character ( or at least that's what she was suppose to be.)

I will ask again: Define Character. I am beginning to suspect that the entirety of NB has no clue what a main and a side character is. Is Sakura a prominent character? Most definitely. Is she a heroine? Yes. Is she a main character? No.

@shelke
Narutopedia begs to differ.
Sakura doesn't have any jutsus that are NOT:
*Variations of punching or kicking in the most literal sense.
*Medical jutsus that are extensions of what Tsunade knows as well.
Whereas Hinata has a jutsu that only she alone has been using ON-SCREEN:
*Juho Soshiken, while being described as a general Main branch jutsu, only has Hinata LISTED as the USER. Also, it's clearly a lot more shape-manipulation than any other Juuken jutsu, or at least it's a branch all on itself. It's NOT a copy or close imitation of ANY other jutsu.
Note:
Sakura is a MAIN character.
Hinata is a SIDE character.
Yet this SIDE character has a more UNIQUE jutsu than the MAIN one.
Thus, comparing them JUTSU-wise is stupid - and NOT in Sakura's favor.

Oh, and PERSONALITY DEVELOPMENT-wise, this is even stupider, since Sakura relapses big time to her FANGIRL (693) and/or TSUNDERE (631) self, while Hinata grew to be a brave leader WHEN NEEDED (615, 629).
As you can see, I used a MANGA reference there.

Is that the best you can come up with - on and off screen garbage argument? Sakura also managed to create a technique and used it off panel. Hey, two can play at this game, right? The Twin Lion Fists is a main family Jutsu, which means all the main branch family members learn it. It would be a right of passage technique for the Head Family, just as Great Fire Ball attack was for Uchichas. Irrelevant point.

Define character. Define Side Character. Define Confidant(e) character. Define Central character. Define Main Character. Define main narrator. Define Byronic character. How many I listed? Just the tip of the ice-berg when it comes to characters' types.

You mean like Hinata never grew out of that idiotic penis envy loop? Okay.

None of those feats have anything to do with her character as far as I am concerned. The bulk of her feats came in the Sasori fight and the War arc. That is not very impressive compared to stature she held in this manga. I don't give a shit if she is the best medical ninja in this manga. Fact is her character never won me over. And with every little success she had, she went backwards. Stop beating around a dead horse. You are not winning this argument with these feats. I am well aware of them. I don't care for them enough, to make them sound that huge. Actually you are basically doing what I said in my last post.

Meaning these feats are nothing but hype. Compared to how she was really shown in the manga. You can hype those up all you want, but fact is they did not mean much to her character as a whole. Unless you are a Sakura apologist or a fan you will hype these feats up to defend her character. Making her some what redeemable. When in the end it leaves a bad taste in a basher like me. Because they don't hold up to her failure as a character.

Hinata was not shown much, nor was she a main character that required such a absorbing development. I am saying this because you are comparing her to Sakura. None the less at least she had parents who treated her wrong. At least she had a backstory that made people care for her. Did Sakura have any of those? I don't think so. And yes a decent backstory does make a difference. You are a writer, so you should know this.

I can choose any of them and they will have much more to talk about than Sakura's whole character.

Sakura is not a side character. In fact that thinking of itself is totally out of context to how the manga writer himself sees them as. The very fact that Kishi himself claimed in his interviews that Sakura is a heroin should mute this argument. No, you pointing out Hinata or Naruto is least bit offensive to me. In fact it makes Sakura's character look much worser when I think about it. Like I said before, you cannot compare Sakura with Hinata because one is a main character while the other is a side character. The writer himself sees it that way but you. I don't give a shit about your views of them either. So no its not shocking to me that you have no interest in my views either.

Who cares whether her character won you over or not? She was a medic ninja and she nailed that department of her character development. Case closed. Also, who is trying to convert you? I don't ever recall even stating that. Wining an argument against your baseless claims on how her character didn't win you over? Wow, that statement says everything. Her medic ninja feats are unimpressive? What a solid argument. She regressed? Never happened. She simply remained a flat character like Hinata. Know the difference between Flat and round or Static and Dynamic characters? They are types. But hey, they didn't impress you, which is a crushing literary evidence.

Hype what feats? These are legitimate feats. Stop blubbering baseless tripe. It is getting ****ing tedious now. She was hyped to be the best medic of her generation? She delivered. She was hyped to be intelligent? She delivered. She was hyped to have one of the best chakra control in the entire manga? She delivered. Your posts are becoming more and more nonsensical as this progresses. Better reread the manga ... and this time, with Hinata blinders off.

Sasori is also a side character. A very insignificant character, in fact. Far less panel time than Hinata. And yet, he's one of the top well-written characters in the entire manga. What back story? She wasn't very bright and her father disowned her? What a sob story. Not even a well-written one that can be used as any kind of evidence to find her pitifully horrendous character even slightly likable. But you are welcome to cherish it. Just don't expect people to buy this rubbish as some kind of table turning argument.

Funny, you must have missed the editors statements: Naruto is the same individual he always was. How likable and very well written and developed.

The manga writer made a statement in another language, and it is quite possible he himself doesn't completely know the dynamics of character tiers within a story. I have made points about several character types above in this same post. Do look through them, and you still haven't answered my question: what is a character?

I can and I shall, as you people don't even know how characterization works. Parroting the same lingo about main and side characters without even being aware of their background in characterization is not doing you or anyone else here any good. It making the lot of you look embarrassing.

 

[Koshej]

I will ask again: Define Character. I am beginning to suspect that the entirety of NB has no clue what a main and a side character is. Is Sakura a prominent character? Most definitely. Is she a heroine? Yes. Is she a main character? No.

Is this a dead horse?
No, it's a corpse of a steed.
*FACEPALM*

Is that the best you can come up with - on and off screen garbage argument? Sakura also managed to create a technique and used it off panel. Hey, two can play at this game, right? The Twin Lion Fists is a main family Jutsu, which means all the main branch family members learn it. It would be a right of passage technique for the Head Family, just as Great Fire Ball attack was for Uchichas. Irrelevant point.

I knew you were stupid...
The point is, Juho Soshiken has Hinata listed as the ONLY USER on Narutopedia, which means that NOT A SINGLE OTHER CHARACTER has been associated with this jutsu EVER.
The only jutsus that are this way for Sakura are:
*A variation of taijutsu.
*A medical jutsu that is still a derivative of a very common jutsu (Chakra Scalpel).
*A feat of Chiyo using Sakura as a puppet (LOLROFL).
NONE of that is UNIQUE enough to be a TRADEMARK JUTSU for Sakura.
She has NONE.
In a manga about JUTSU-USERS, a "main character" that DOESN'T have a PERSONAL TRADEMARK (SIGNATURE) jutsu???
Btw, Naruto has Rasenshuriken, and Sasuke has Chidori or Kirin - as theirs.
Now, back to Soshiken, it IS Hinata's TRADEMARK JUTSU - with NOBODY else being associated with it.
Also, Soshiken is derived directly from Juuken, thus it's merely a "Hyuuga-STYLE" jutsu, not a (enhanced) COPY of someone else's.
And Sakura has always been associated with PUNCHING itself, not any JUTSUS.
LOL, just LOLROFLLOL.

You mean like Hinata never grew out of that idiotic penis envy loop? Okay.

I guess you meant Sakura.

 

[shelke]

Is this a dead horse?
No, it's a corpse of a steed.
*FACEPALM*

I knew you were stupid...
The point is, Juho Soshiken has Hinata listed as the ONLY USER on Narutopedia, which means that NOT A SINGLE OTHER CHARACTER has been associated with this jutsu EVER.
The only jutsus that are this way for Sakura are:
*A variation of taijutsu.
*A medical jutsu that is still a derivative of a very common jutsu (Chakra Scalpel).
*A feat of Chiyo using Sakura as a puppet (LOLROFL).
NONE of that is UNIQUE enough to be a TRADEMARK JUTSU for Sakura.
She has NONE.
In a manga about JUTSU-USERS, a "main character" that DOESN'T have a PERSONAL TRADEMARK (SIGNATURE) jutsu???
Btw, Naruto has Rasenshuriken, and Sasuke has Chidori or Kirin - as theirs.
Now, back to Soshiken, it IS Hinata's TRADEMARK JUTSU - with NOBODY else being associated with it.
Also, Soshiken is derived directly from Juuken, thus it's merely a "Hyuuga-STYLE" jutsu, not a (enhanced) COPY of someone else's.
And Sakura has always been associated with PUNCHING itself, not any JUTSUS.
LOL, just LOLROFLLOL.

I guess you meant Sakura.

Looks like you still haven't gone to high school or even medium school. Man, your comprehension and analytically skills are poor. Since you don't have even a single decent argument for any of these, you are resorting to third grade insults that embellish your third grade wit.

Get back to me when you have something half-a-quarter decent to belch out, because now you are just wasting my time. Like what a character is and how listing works.

@ This whole post: Do all garden variety Hinata wankers reek of stupidity?

 

[Koshej]

Looks like you still haven't gone to high school or even medium school. Man, your comprehension and analytically skills are poor. Since you don't have even a single decent argument for any of these, you are resorting to third grade insults that embellish your third grade wit.

Get back to me when you have something half-a-quarter decent to belch out, because now you are just wasting my time. Like what a character is and how listing works.

@ This whole post: Do all garden variety Hinata wankers reek of stupidity?

Mirror-mirror, call me out.
Or better:
Dodging the discussion, Hinata-hater/Sakura-wanker style.
It's not very effective on MY type, though.

 

[shelke]

Mirror-mirror, call me out.
Or better:
Dodging the discussion, Hinata-hater/Sakura-wanker style.
It's not very effective on MY type, though.

Yeah, you are the one to talk after making such idiotic posts:

The fact of fiction is manga page quoting.
Which is my point precisely.
If Sakura says she "has no reasons to love Sasuke" (and no other manga quote brings up any either) - then it's fanfiction to MAKE UP any reasons for her to love him, in order to make her LOOK a better character.
That was just an example, of course.
There are countless other examples as well.

Hinata Hyuuga obviously isn't real.
People LIKE Hinata, are real.
Those who are selfless to the degree of self-sacrifice for their beloved in dire situations.
Those who have been abused in childhood for not fitting in their parents' standards, yet they persevered and grew up splendidly.
Those who love people for who they are, not for what they have achieved or how popular they are.
Etc.
ALL of this is clearly shown by Hinata.
Now, do you (or anyone) also hate REAL PEOPLE like those I just listed???
If NOT, than why do you (or anyone) hate Hinata, who pretty much represents such people???
More so, do you (or anyone) hate Hinata but NOT such real people???
Where's the logic in THAT then???

I'm defending the REAL LIFE ideas I see being projected through Hinata - NOT the fictional character itself.
I might be wrong about generalizing fiction into real life, but I also dislike Sakura for stuff I hate in REAL PEOPLE, even if I do like it in some fictional characters (more like, I don't CARE then).

I believe Honoured Sage has been topped - something no one anticipated or saw coming.