Itachi's weapon only seals souls = huge misconception (proof)

[Lilt]

So for example. If Chibaku Tensei were pierced, it'd be sealed?

And that's what this thread is really about, isn't it? Obviously, no one answer is correct, because we really do not know. We know that, accoridng to Zetsu's statement, anything it pierces will be sealed.

But we all know the knee-jerk response to that sort of thing, right? "So it can seal planet Earth by stabbing the ground?" If you look at that response, you can tell it's flawed, because the right answer is that it would seal the ground it pierced, not the Earth.

But the underlying point is somewhat valid: there are limitations to its sealing, but we don't know them, and that's where the argument ends.

In my opinion, Chibaku can be sealed if the core is pierced. If it's allowed to grow too large, and the core isn't able to be reached, then the momentum of the gravity suction will outpace the Totsuka's sealing speed. On the other hand, it may allow Itachi to at least escape.

 

[Trollasaur]

Jesus these guys will not stop.

 

[Draegod]

Edos came with kunai's.. meaning it seals kunai's as well... where will your argument stop? you don't get that it sealed a bunch of inorganic stuff as well? Weapons etc?

If Nagato hada rock in his hand or pocket, it would have sealed it as well.. that's what you're not getting..

It sealed nagato's entire body of chakra...

It's contradictory to say it can only seal organic things when it did the opposite in the manga...

minato, tenten can use fuinjutsu to seal a rock if they wanted


tell me what exactly is unbelievable of totsuka doing the same?

ANd again your taking every thing literal. smh

Okay so according to your logic if bee is holding a moutain (small) while in Bijuu mode the moutain will be sealed aswell?

You have no proof to back up your statement.

the only 2 things ever sealed where Oru and Nagato. Oru was naked, and nagato had cloths on (no kunais). You dont get that kishi aloows them to seal the cloths on them aswell because its a cartoon! You just dont get it!

EDO tensei revives the soul in cloths! Why? Because its a Damn cartoon! He cant revive the SOULS naked! etc etc

Suigetsu, when he turns from water to human, he stays with cloths! Why? Its a cartoon!

So matter the situation cloths have to stay on at all times!!! Stop taking everything so literal and use common sense!

Your logic is it can seal the planet.

If any one agrees with that or anything similar to that logic obv is a huge itachi D!ck ryder and wants him to have the option to seal what ever he wants. lmao

Im done!

 

[Draegod]

And that's what this thread is really about, isn't it? Obviously, no one answer is correct, because we really do not know. We know that, accoridng to Zetsu's statement, anything it pierces will be sealed.

But we all know the knee-jerk response to that sort of thing, right? "So it can seal planet Earth by stabbing the ground?" If you look at that response, you can tell it's flawed, because the right answer is that it would seal the ground it pierced, not the Earth.

But the underlying point is somewhat valid: there are limitations to its sealing, but we don't know them, and that's where the argument ends.

In my opinion, Chibaku can be sealed if the core is pierced. If it's allowed to grow too large, and the core isn't able to be reached, then the momentum of the gravity suction will outpace the Totsuka's sealing speed. On the other hand, it may allow Itachi to at least escape.

Now what you state makes sense! ANd i agree for the most part.

But if itachi could seal the core, wouldnt he had solo'd the core instead of asking for help or using a differ attack?

SO it should be manga fact according to the great genius itachi (who would have used if could) that it cannot seal things similar to chibaku tensei. If we use common sense ofc. Because itachi literally had a chance to seal it point blank range!

 

[Lilt]

Just to make what I said earlier more clear: bodies themselves aren't souls.

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Sealing only souls isn't what Totsuka does, pure and simple.

 

[Lilt]

Now what you state makes sense! ANd i agree for the most part.

But if itachi could seal the core, wouldnt he had solo'd the core instead of asking for help or using a differ attack?

SO it should be manga fact according to the great genius itachi (who would have used if could) that it cannot seal things similar to chibaku tensei. If we use common sense ofc. Because itachi literally had a chance to seal it point blank range!

Ehh, if you reread the chapter,

or watch the anime,

you can see there was a lot of PIS in that fight.

Itachi, Bee, and Naruto were pretty much just standing around gawking while Nagato prepped.

Would a genius like Itachi do that, or sieze the momentum? (while Nagato wa injured.)

Basically, for the sake of awesomeness, the combined attacks were used for the finale.

 

[Lilt]

Ehh, if you reread the chapter,

or watch the anime,

you can see there was a lot of PIS in that fight.

Itachi, Bee, and Naruto were pretty much just standing around gawking while Nagato prepped.

Would a genius like Itachi do that, or sieze the momentum? (while Nagato wa injured.)

Basically, for the sake of awesomeness, the combined attacks were used for the finale.

And a similar argument could be made for why Naruto didn't counter Preta the way he already did once: Sage energy.

Instead of Rasengan? Or why Bee didn't use partial transformations against Nagato like he did for Samehada-Kisame.

For either of those two though, CIS is reasonable.

But Itachi is a mega-genius, so him not doing what's common sense seals the deal on PIS imo.

 

[KidGamer65]

This post just won it for me actually.

When nagato was sealed we saw that no trace was left of him ,including the sacrifice body's.

But when itachi's soul left the sacrifice's body, we saw the body on the floor.

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There is enough proof that it doesn't just seal souls.

DO not think it can seal CT though, but rather living things with souls.
So basically anything with a soul, ends up in the bottle

This is pretty much my thoughts on Totsuka's sealing capabilities.

 

[Lilt]

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There is a negligible difference between souls and chakra-constructs, however.

Chakra is life energy (soul energy and physical energy) given shape. They're literally using their souls and ki.

When you're out of chakra, you die (you hit zero on either the body or the soul.)

So if a body can be sealed, then logically, a chakra-contruct could be sealed as well.

Not to mention Zetsu said anything could be sucked up, not just anyone.

 

[Draegod]

Ehh, if you reread the chapter,

or watch the anime,

you can see there was a lot of PIS in that fight.

Itachi, Bee, and Naruto were pretty much just standing around gawking while Nagato prepped.

Would a genius like Itachi do that, or sieze the momentum? (while Nagato wa injured.)

Basically, for the sake of awesomeness, the combined attacks were used for the finale.

Nope! If itachi could he would! Simple as that! As soon as he got the chance he sealed nagato no questions ask! I know you want to think it was to make it look awesome, but fact is, both situations were in the manga (chibaku and totsu) and itachi being the genius didnt seize the moment when he literally had the chance to no question! This literally no "what if" this is manga fact he didnt do it when he had a chance to (fact of manga no disputing).

This post just won it for me actually.

When nagato was sealed we saw that no trace was left of him ,including the sacrifice body's.

But when itachi's soul left the sacrifice's body, we saw the body on the floor.

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There is enough proof that it doesn't just seal souls.

DO not think it can seal CT though, but rather living things with souls.
So basically anything with a soul, ends up in the bottle

This is pretty much my thoughts on Totsuka's sealing capabilities.

Agreed! This is what i was stating and trying to get the literal itachi fans to understand.

 

[Lilt]

Nope! If itachi could he would! Simple as that!

It's really not, because what Itachi chose to do worked just as well.

Besides, are you saying Itachi literally couldn't attack while Nagato was regenerating either time?

Or that Naruto couldn't access natural energy when Nagato was using Preta?

Sometimes you just have to admit when a character has PIS assistance. That was one of those times.

 

[Draegod]

It's really not, because what Itachi chose to do worked just as well.

Besides, are you saying Itachi literally couldn't attack while Nagato was regenerating either time?

Or that Naruto couldn't access natural energy when Nagato was using Preta?

Sometimes you just have to admit when a character has PIS assistance. That was one of those times.

Fair enough. But for the record he cannot seal Celestial Terra sphere! lol